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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:03 PM
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Just stole my neighbors car
Don't say I broke the law. Besides when was that law written in like 1928.

This is todays world not 1928.

If you heard bush's latest speech this is Bush's latest excuse for breaking the FISA law.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:06 PM
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1. You just borrowed it without his permission. *W* does the same thing.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:51 PM
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14. BUSH PHILOSOPHICALLY DID NOT BREAK THE LAW
While the preceding remark seems outrageous, proof remains glaringly obvious in Book 1 of The Republic. I certainly do not expect anyone to take such an extreme statement on my word and I highly recommend readers compare my subsequent version of Instant Plato to any of the numerous translations online by simply searching for “Socrates and Thrasymachus.” Yes, you read correctly; it said INSTANT PLATO… welcome to America.

The Republic represents ten Books and each one originally fit onto a single papyrus scroll. Much of the writing consists of dialogue between Socrates and others interested in his notions. After a discussion about justice proceeds in a manner one might expect of Socrates, it takes a startling turn as Thrasymachus asserts that he knows what justice is and suggests the definitions others present are “nonsense.”

In Book 1 of The Republic, Thrasymachus says, "I declare justice is nothing but the advantage of the stronger" Robbery and violence generally represent injustices but when practiced wholesale by rulers becomes justice, because it serves the interest of those stronger rulers. In this approach, since the rulers do not obey the laws they impose on citizens, they are essentially unjust but still able to claim they are just, in a sense. At one point, Thrasymachus says, "You will understand it more easily, if you consider the perfect injustice; one which makes the unjust man most happy and makes those who are wronged but unwilling to be unjust miserable."

According to Thrasymachus, tyranny is a type of wholesale plunder but if a citizen commits theft or violence, they will face disgrace and punishment. When someone robs or commits atrocities against a whole nation and then reduces them to slavery, however, the people will eventually forget ugly names like theft or violence, only to call him fortunate, in spite of his unmitigated wrongdoing.

To Thrasymachus a tyrant is happy and fortunate because he breaks the rules of justice he imposes on the weak. What a weak citizen calls "justice" is essentially slavery and the strong do not obey those rules. Later, existentialists, like the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche, will expand these notions to challenge traditional morality and Christianity.

After listening to Thrasymachus, Socrates refutes him: “If the weak can prevent the strong becoming a tyrant or taking what they want, they are in fact strong! As one might expect the voice of the master quiets Thrasymachus but at the beginning of Book 2, Glaucon and others renew arguments that anyone would be unjust, given the opportunity, if injustice leads to happiness. The students ask Socrates to prove that it is better to be just, since unjust individuals often enjoy happiness and rewards as just people suffer poverty and disgrace.

In much of the rest of The Republic, through the words of Socrates, Plato attempts to prove that just individuals are actually happy, while unjust people, such as tyrants, generally tend to be unhappy.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:06 PM
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2. Good one
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 01:20 PM
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16. thanks King
your kind comments give me a chance to KICK!!! :kick:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:08 PM
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3. Oh, hell, that silly law is way older than that!!!
It is so old, it was carved on tablets and hauled down the mountain by a dude named MOSES!! Thou shalt not steal...yeah, and the other old nine laws, let's get rid of them, too, while we are at it!! That way, these clowns who want the Ten Commandments carved into the Courthouse won't have a leg to stand on!!
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Suziq Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:11 PM
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4. Stole My Idea
I was planning on robbing my neighborhood convenience store on the way home from work - ya know, I need some cash for the weekend. :-)

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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:12 PM
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5. That also explains why Bush feels free to ignore the Constitution
After all, it was written in 1787 and this is 2006.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:15 PM
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6. Hell, that's nothing
That 'odd' guy that lives down the street is chained to the floor in my basement. I know that he may do something subversive someday, so I'm just being proactive.

Helping to protect America, just trust me on this one.
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radar Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:18 PM
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7. And it's probably newer than the one you own?
Gotta have the latest technology to fight terror & keep your neighborhood safe; chasing terrorists requires the fastest car available.

Anyone questioning you is just helping Osama.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:19 PM
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8. my neighbor has a nice car I might give that one a try


:)
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:21 PM
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9. Yep
I guess I can go to Canada illegally too eh?
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:21 PM
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10. I'm thinking of reporting my next door neighbor
as well. He has way too many people over on Friday nights, and I just know he's conducting secret meetings with an Al-Quaeda sleeper cell. Perhaps if I can get close enough with a parabolic mike, I can tape their conversations as well for evidence.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:22 PM
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11. I've just declared a War On Stupidity ...
As all DUers know, stupidity is running rampant not only here in the US, but around the world. We have seen 'the Stupid' infiltrating our government at all levels, and holding sway over the citizenry by taking Stupid actions, and supporting Totally Stupid ideas. And, as always, the MSM is complicit, by being Outrageously Stupid themselves.

Now, as a 'Wartime Citizen', I can take your money and your property, I can read your email and tap your phone calls -- hey, like I said, I'm a WARTIME CITIZEN and therefore, I CAN DO WHATEVER THE F*CK I PLEASE.

And anyone who questions me or my actions is unpatriotic, and are giving aid and comfort to the enemy ...
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:24 PM
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12. My slave does my work for me.
I go by the old school laws.

Why not> the president of my country makes up which laws he abuses, why not me?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:45 PM
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13. Those "Traditional Marriage" laws were written less than 200 years ago
So, who's to say two women can't get married?
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 12:52 PM
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15. My response" This isn't 1775! King George can not do
as he pleases."
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