Will Bush Get A Third Term?

[Solomon]

This question ain't so ridiculous now, is it? We can all take off our tinfoil hats now. They don't work anymore.

People used to flame me for warning about this. I can safely get out of my flack jacket now.

Is there anyone who stills doubts that they can do whatever the hell they want to do? If you complain they will tell you flat out, "we're gonna continue doing it".

It appears now that the president is above the law and the constitution so long as "we are at war."

We have been told that the "war" is now permanent. Bin Laden is still at large. We are at war and only the "unitary executive" can save us.

We can't be bothered with the constitution, or congress,(we briefed them), or the federal courts, (who needs warrants when the supreme court of the land orders that votes NOT be counted).

We are at war.

Anyone who doesn't recognize this is giving aid and comfort to the enemy, and is therefore, by extension, treasonous.

They can arrest you without charging you. They can hold you indefinitely. They can prevent you from having a lawyer, and if you are lucky enough somehow to get one, they can eavesdrop on your conversations. Our "unitary executive" has sole discretion over whom these things will happen to.

We can't be bothered with the constitution. We are at war. Even though we are fighting them over there, the enemy is here.

If Bush wants a third term he will take it. He will claim that congress already gave it to him when it "authorized him to fight the war on terror" and besides it doesn't matter anyway because he "briefed" them about it. The supreme court will rule that he is right, elections are a matter of national security in a time of "war", all power is in the "unitary executive" in a time of war.

[...of J.Temperance]

1. No he won't

And he won't get a Urinary Executive either.

[daleanime]

7. But just that idea...

brings a simile to my face.:evilgrin:

[sabbat hunter]

2. one problem

it still DIRECTLY is against he constitution.

most of what bush has been doing is expanding powers but still not directly prohibited by the constitution.

if he is going to try anything, why wouldnt he just suspend the constitution "for the duration of the war on terror"

[madinmaryland]

5. or change the constitution to allow

him to seek additional terms.

:scared:

[sabbat hunter]

13. by the time

by the time a constitutional amendment goes thru congress, and then thru the states his term will be over.

[thefool_wa]

16. Not True

While he has intricate explanations that site articles within the constitution, the amendments themselves are the constitution, and the prevailing voice within it for that matter. No power of war or peace time supercedes any amendment to the constitution.

They just stop reading when it suits their needs. Its like saying we can't drink because of the 18th and ignoring the fact that it was repealed by the 21st.

[sabbat hunter]

39. or calling

an income tax unconstitutional when the 16th amendment made it legal

[thefool_wa]

42. That too

Except there seems to be some question about the passage of the 16th amendment.

I don't advocate opposition to the 16th amendment (governments can't operate without taxes or tariffs and for some reason everyone here opposes tariffs), but there is still some dispute. You would think after, what, 60 years it would be put to bed.

[Solomon]

29. I don't mean to be rude, but this is what you said:

"most of what bush has been doing is expanding powers but still not directly prohibited by the constitution."

You make my point very well. This is what the cackle of rich white men who sit around tables every day and night on cable "news" are telling the population. And by yourpost they have succeeded.

We are just like the frogs in the simmering water if you can't see that just about EVERY thing he has done is DIRECTLY PROHIBITED BY THE CONSTITUTION.

THIS IS MY POINT. THE GUY GETS AWAY WITH MURDER. What else does the guy have to do, for chrissakes for people to get it?

[rumpel]

3. What we fear will manifest itself in reality. Please don't go there.

:0

[PDJane]

9. Prepare for it.........

after the attack on Iran, the US will be at the end of some interesting machinations......and Bush might decide he's the only one who can save the world.

[tatertop]

4. that is a damn depressing thought

[stop the bleeding]

6. Yes n/t

[eek]

8. Not at all ridic , IMO

For the past couple days I have been casually-ish saying "if Alito gets in they'll probably abandon elections completely" to all sorts of people especially like sanwich counter, grocery checkout, AA guy and so on.

So far most of them have given the "yeah- no kiddin'" response.

This ain't no party, this aint no disco this aint no tinfoil hat...

[pitohui]

45. i was just listening to that record

ain't got no time for that now

:-)

[LoKnLoD]

10. I've been wondering

what would happen if the cabal tried to pull this in 2008. Ok here's a farfetched idea, they put up McCain, with Condi as VP, he wins in 2008. We know John is up there in years and he just happens :sarcasm: to pass away right after inaguration, Condi is President and nominates Cheney or Jeb as VP. 8 more years of neocon goodness.


:crazy: :tinfoilhat:

yeah I'm a nut!! :)

[thefool_wa]

23. No more nutty

than anything else I have heard. I anticipate that, by mid term, the Reugs will offer up GW on a sacrificial altar (be it impeachment or worse) and then we will be stuck with Cheney while they figure out their next move.

Oh, but he doesn't want to be president...

:puke:

[Democrats_win]

11. bu$h controls the judiciary--i´ve seen this possibility since 2000 cuz

Clinton judges were not approved by the urine gop legislative twig. Thus many more gop judges were appointed. what will stop him? US, and so far we haven´t. Third term? I predict it will occur!

[rniel]

12. I don't care if his approval is 20%

Election held today he'd win. They are getting better at jiggering the votes. They've had enough practice at it.

[jackster]

33. ABsolutley - !

FAce it - America as we knew it may be gone forever.

And I've said since he was "re-elected" that he'll find another way to stay in power as long as he can.... Constitution or no - he thinks it's just a piece of paper anyway!

[Solomon]

14. Sigh. After all that's happened, people still don't get it.

It boggles my mind the stuff this guy gets away. Do you really believe that after having created a "unitary executive" and expanding the powers of the presidency, they are going to let some progressive democrat get a hold of the new "executive office"? The new powers?

I guess it's like that old frog in the simmering pot story. They have sugar coated things so much and we have so many distractions to console ourselves with, that they are getting away with outrageous things. Each one is more outrageous than the next, but we just take it all in stride.

Wake up! If he wants it, he will get it. And we'll be sitting here complaining about something else the fucker has done just like we been doing for the last 5 damn years.

[SnoopDog]

15. The next step is to place Jeb Bush into office...,

Our voting machines are and will be hacked - again.

[Solomon]

24. Yeah maybe the next time they will hack the names. They'll say even

though Jeb didn't run, people wrote him in on their ballots. The court will say don't count 'em like it did with the second bush.

[Marie26]

17. There'd be a revolution first. nt

[thefool_wa]

26. Amen

I know if any elections are suspended in this country I am fleeing my family to Canada for asylum then returning to "get it on". I won't be chased from my home by the treasonous actions of our government, not without a fight.

I know I am not alone, and organizing in preparation for this event might be the only way to keep it from happening.

[mzteris]

18. It IS war!

And bushco is the enemy!

[Inland]

19. No flame here.

I don't think that's the plan. I think the plan is for them to somehow get another republican in, one close enough to Bush to bury all the bodies and make sure the rich get their tax cuts and the religious right rules the country.

But if there was another attack on the US in October 2008 and it looked like it was breaking bad for the repuke candidate, I have no doubt Bush would call off the election.

[colonel odis]

20. if i were bush, i'd be more worried about being bumped off by cheney

so The Dick can install himself for a couple of terms. hey, there's probably still money to be stolen from somebody somewhere.

bush will outlive his usefulness to those guys very shortly. then his life won't be worth two nickels. plus, if he dies in a plane crash or at the hands of an alleged turrist, just think how they can enshrine him. while at the same time cutting back what few civil liberties are left.

i'd see a scenario like that occurring long before a third term would.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. No he wont and let me explain why not

the key in what yuo said is unitary executive and eternal war. They will declare junior President for Life... no pesky electiions needed, nothing like that. They will disolve the House and the Senate, and fire any judges that opose him. Yes, this is what nightmares are made off... but that is not that off anymore. They just need to declare Martial Law.

[stop the bleeding]

28. thank you n/t

[otohara]

22. Laura Already Said 8 is Enough

and for once, I agree with Pickles. I thought 4 was quite enough, but Diebold disagreed.

[Solomon]

27. Yeah. I heard that he really doesn't want to be president anymore too,

but they will make him do it if they are not sure they can put their specific replacement in there.

No way they are going to just hand this kind of power over to a true democrat.

[Xenotime]

25. America is already a dictatorship...

where * sends people to their death at his whim.

[calmblueocean]

30. Imagine this scenario.

In December 2008, a major 9/11 scale attack takes place. Elections have been held, but the new president will not be inaugurated for a month. During this time, Bush is able to push through a restructuring of the executive branch of government, splitting the functions of the presidency into two distinct positions. The Presidency still exists, but the President of the United States can also be overruled by a new position, President of Homeland Security, whose sole job it is to manage the safety and war actions of the United States -- a "security czar" with the power to declare martial law, order wiretaps, detain and question suspects, etc.

The Bush administration argues that there is too much "government red tape" and that the "stakes are too high" for a single human being to manage both economic affairs and the security of the country any longer. Bush appoints a puppet crony to the position, and decrees that the holder of the position will appoint his own successor.

When liberals protest, they are accused of having a "pre-9/11" mentality, and news talking heads begin to debate the wisdom of having a single person in charge of both security and all the other duties a president has.

Bush leaves office on January 20th, 2009, but the office of the Presidency has been reduced to a mere figurehead. The Republican reign of terror continues indefinitely.

This is the sort of 'third term' scenario I can imagine, and it doesn't seem all that farfetched to me. What do you think?

[Solomon]

35. Look. When this guy declared he was running for president back in

1999 or whatever, I laughed. Seriously. I thought it was a joke. I laughed at him all during the campaign. I just could never believe america would vote in such an obviously incompetent man.

We had the best prosperity ever, a surplus, relative peace, balanced budget, all marshalled by the democratic party. There was no reason to switch horses. I thought he was the worst possible candidate they could field.

What I never counted on was that they knew they would steal it. I entered the twilight zone when my fucking supreme court ruled inexplicably, that VOTES SHOULD NOT BE COUNTED.

Just ponder that simple phrase for a moment to realize the gravity of what we are really dealing with here.

I for one sought out some therapy to cope with the disconnect from the average citizen that I was starting to feel. Maybe it's because I'm a lawyer so I am more aware of what constitutional rights that have stripped from us than the average citizen. I didn't think it could get any worse than that, but it did.

I knew the Bush would be bad, but my God, who knew he would be this bad? I am astounded by the things he has done and gotten away with. The hits just keep on coming as the y say.

And yes, for the record, let me very proudly yell out loud, that YOU WILL NEVER GET ME TO BELIEVE THE OFFICIAL STORY OF 9-11. EVER. It's just too goddamn ridiculous and is really a testament to the kind of kool-aid americans drink everyday.

They will never hand over the power they have created to a duly elected citizen. It's over.
It's all mind control now. Propaganda, and yes, God yes, the many distractions that we have. Our shiny cars, hdtv's, superbowls and world series, etc. everything possible to take your mind off it.

So, this is just a long-winded way of saying there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THIS GUY COULD DO AND GET AWAY WITH THAT WOULD SURPRISE ME ANYMORE.

[sabbat hunter]

40. once again

that would require a constitutional amendment. that takes years at best.

[The Sleeper]

31. The game is almost completely rigged up and ready to go....

why on earth would they walk away from running the entire table ?
It took them years to get to this point. They intend to stay for good.

Challenge the 22nd amendment. Get the Supreme Court to render it null and void. "The founding fathers never intended for these types of limitations to be placed on the executive branch, especially in time of war." Sounds almost plausible if you are not paying attention (stay asleep, masses), and the patriotism angle is perfect.

Bring in another wooden headed chump who spews the ideology to run with the ball. Who would it be, though ? That's the real question. It's GOT to be one of their boys. They don't want to disrupt things. It's bad for business.

[sabbat hunter]

41. a amendment

cannot be ruled null and void by the supreme court.

it is part of the constitution not a law.

[Vinca]

32. This hit me like a ton of bricks while listening to Al Franken

a little while ago. He mentioned the 22nd amendment prohibits a president from being ELECTED more than twice. Was Shrub elected or appointed the first time? I'm freaked.

[calmblueocean]

34. Wow. I'd never considered that.

But Bush would have to get himself *elected* again, and I don't think he could. People will want a change.

[Solomon]

36. If he wants it, he will get "re-elected" again.

[Vinca]

37. After all, he's got Diebold in his corner. nt

[schmuls]

38. he will do everything he can to keep squatting at the WH; including

putting up smoke screens, screwing up the voting process, and claiming that attempting to transfer the presidency in a time of war is traitorous.

[onenote]

43. I'm willing to put up $500 for DU that it won't happen. Anyone willing

to bet the same amount that he will? Put your money where your mouth is.

Its the safest bet I'll ever make.

onenote

[pitohui]

46. let us know if you get any takers

i agree w. you, just not gonna happen

[pitohui]

44. he doesn't want a third term

i don't know if i have ever seen two politicians who dislike being in the public eye and who dislike being politicans more than gee dubya and dick cheney

they are there for a purpose, in gee dubya's case to front for the men really holding the strings, in cheney's case to prevent the bankruptcy of halliburton (mission accomplished!) and to stay out of jail for his multiple violations of law

rather than grabbing a third term, they can just as well put poppy up there or even jeb up there and accomplish the same thing, * is but a figurehead and one who tires quickly and requires lots of downtime and drink time, why go out on a limb to go for the 3rd term when they can just put up another family member and accomplish the same purposes at less cost in fuss

all * wants is to climb back into the bottle, he is counting the days as much as we are

and cheney just ain't gonna live that long, he just isn't that healthy in my view

and cheney hates, hates, HATES being in the public eye, that just don't work for being the acknowledged pretzeldent


i would put the odds of another poppy term at a higher likelihood than * willingly extending his term by one freakin minute!

see you in vegas! but i think onenote's $500 is safe!