Ed Schultz Needs to Go

[stepnw1f]

Here's on here in Mass. and instead of listening to this guy side with the GOP on the most important issues, I'd rather hear Randi Rhodes in realtime.

I will be letting Boston Progressive Radio very very soon.

I'm done with him... and wondering if he is a plant.

[sasha031]

1. i am with you

[stepnw1f]

7. Cool.... Maybe a Petition will do It

I'll have see what I can do.

[ISUGRADIA]

80. Yeah sure that will work

ratings and advertising dollars mean nothing to them. But we'll get rid of him and have ideological purity!

[johncoby2]

2. What subject?

[benburch]

3. There was no money to be made in Right Wing Radio.

The market was saturated!

If it help, why don't you Podcast one of the shows from my website during those hours?

http://www.WhiteRoseSociety.org

[Blue Belle]

4. He just Pisses me off.

I can't believe he would even entertain the idea of warming up to Alito... this and his anti-Murtha stance makes me sick.

[Chimichurri]

13. didn't he get on Armed forces radio? If so he must bow down to his

corporate masters and keep that paycheck coming in.

[Blue Belle]

23. I don't think he did get on Armed Forces Radio...

I hear they jerked him from the line-up before he could start...

[NYCGirl]

38. No, he is on AFRN. And so is Al Franken.

http://myafn.dodmedia.osd.mil/radio/afn/schedule.asp

[LittleClarkie]

48. But we pushed to get him there as an alternative voice

to Rush. So now it's a BAD thing?

He almost didn't get on AFR because he said something they didn't like just when it was about to happen. So he doesn't have a problem with saying things that will piss AFR people off. He did it already and almost lost the gig.

[FreedomAngel82]

74. And remember what Randi said on CSPAN

Remember Randi's story on CSPAN?

[Canuckistanian]

5. What's he saying?

Is he against the filibuster or something?

[fooj]

6. I've heard that he is (a plant)...

but you know how the rumor mill goes...

Peace.

[stepnw1f]

10. We all Hear Plenty

I have heard the same but chose to write that off... now I truly wonder. He bashes Deans efforts with really no justification, he parrots right wing talking points, slams liberals constantly yet lets the rabid right spout shit on his shows, and then tells people the filibuster is not worth it? Fuck him!

[FreedomAngel82]

75. Didn't he bash Kerry once too?

I think I remember that and than turns around and has him on the show. Of course Kerry is a nice guy and goes on because it's always good to do interviews.

[CatholicEdHead]

57. He is not a plant

He is an Upper Midwest Liberal. Not as extreme or "idological pure" as some here. Ed has his place, Randi has his place, Franken has his place, etc... Their strengths are different audiences in different parts of the country. Randi and Al will not play well in most of the plains. Ed does, and even some moderation in the plains will go a long ways nationally. You will never get Nebraska to think like San Fran.

[proud2BlibKansan]

62. Good point

I like Randi and I like Ed. But here in Kansas, Ed would be lots more well received than Randi.

[FreedomAngel82]

77. Not with disinformation and/or lies

[FreedomAngel82]

76. Randi is a girl

[GrpCaptMandrake]

8. No, stepnwlf, he's not a plant

He's worse. He's an opportunist.

He labored in North Dakota for a couple of decades being a Rush wannabe. He finally figured out that it wasn't going to get him anywhere in a market glut.

So he changed his stripes, re-branded himself as a pro-gun, pro-labor hearland liberal, and *ta-Da* was reborn and refinanced. Ed Schultz was the first project of Democracy Radio, an organization whose stated purpose was to promote "liberal" talkers to balance the airwaves. It has since been assimilated into Air America.

Wanna know who the real liberal talkers are? Go have a look at the archive list at www.whiterosesociety.org You'll see names like Malloy and Rhodes and many, many others, including, I humbly submit, my own.

[stepnw1f]

12. Very Interesting... Thanks! (nt)

[SPKrazy]

49. I think your bias in his story is showing

Although parts are true

a. he did try to get into talk radio in N. Dakota
b. he was Republican


His story is that he changed his stripes for other reasons.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

79. It wasn't a matter of "trying"

He *was* in talk radio in ND for many, many years.

He did a show that was straight out of the Limbaugh playbook.

He was a registered Repig.

His show was going absolutely nowhere . . . for years. He succeeded insofar as his show out-drew Limbaugh, but the market glut stifled him. No one wanted "another Limbaugh" on a national basis. From the Esquire Magazine article about him: "Not long ago, the Virginia-born Schultz was Rush Limbaugh-a raging radio conservative who worshiped the bottom line."

He had a "road to Damascus" moment, becoming a "liberal."

He was picked up, promoted and syndicated by Democracy Radio, which then sold his show to Jones Radio, making him a national celebrity.

Now, as a "liberal," he slimes John Murtha for saying the war is a mistake and the military is not something he (Murtha) would join, had he to do it all over again. Inexcusable.

"His story" could be that he became a "liberal" because he was abducted by liberal aliens. It doesn't change the basic facts.

[Adelante]

9. He doesn't think in lockstep

That doesn't mean we don't need him out there. I don't agree with him on every issue, but I'm sure as hell glad somebody's talking to truck drivers and beauticians besides Rush Limbaugh.

[rainy]

11. I'm so glad he is off AAR on XM. He used to use up

2 of randi's hours. So glad to have Randi the whole time now.

[LisaM]

14. He's not part of Air America

some stations that play Air America shows also play him.

I don't think he's a plant, though he is far to the right of me. But I agree with whomever mentioned someone talking to truckers besides Rush.

[budkin]

15. They replaced Randi with him in Austin

I stream Randi at work but on the live station they instead play Schultz. On the way home I used to listed to Majority Report (my fave) but now they play the delayed Randi show which most of the time I have already heard. I understand that he is popular with moderates but I'm a proud liberal and I want my real AAR back!

[wyldwolf]

16. Anyone who disagrees with me Needs to Go

[stevedeshazer]

18. LOL!!

exactly.

[stepnw1f]

21. LOL?

I have the right as an AAR listener to voice my opinion and try to get another talk show on in my area. What you reply to is a cheap insult. Yes... I have my preferences... how about you? You have a preference?

[stevedeshazer]

53. Thanks for making my very simple point

First of all, you need to get your facts straight. Ed Schultz is not part of Air America. If the local affiliate in your area happens to be Air America and carries Ed Schultz, you should take it up with them. Better yet, contact the station(s) in your area that carry Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity; there is your problem.

Second, I listen often to both Ed Schultz and Randi Rhodes, and I prefer Randi. That doesn't mean I think Ed should be run out of town because sometimes I don't agree with him. The greatest talk show host ever happens to be Ray Taliaferro, but I don't listen to him to the exclusion of all else.

Third, from your posts you obviously listen to Schultz's show. If it pisses you off enough to warrant attacking him, why listen? Just turn it off. Maybe you'll feel better.

Look, we're all cranky right now because a lot is happening, and I am very on edge, but if you took my comment as a 'cheap insult', then you've got some mighty thin skin there.

[stepnw1f]

58. First of All

You are the one that replied to my thread with an oversimplified insinuation. Second... don't tell me what to do.

[stevedeshazer]

61. You didn't respond to any of my points

I'm not your enemy.

But thanks for responding.

[stepnw1f]

66. I Know You Aren't My Enemy

I just want another radio talk show host in the Boston Area on 1200 AM which is the same station running AAR. It's heavy liberal in this town. We deserve better than this guy.

So I say... he has got to go. Call me what you want....

Not mad at you... just feel a bit misunderstood, and yes, I'm a bit cranky because I'm not sleeping much lately.

[stevedeshazer]

68. Fair enough.

We'll fight another battle together soon, and on the same side. :thumbsup:

Peace.

[stepnw1f]

69. peace (nt)

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[wyldwolf]

20. you did first.

See, you didn't merely say you disagreed with Schultz. You said that because you disagreed with him, he had to "Go."

[stepnw1f]

22. That Was My Point

You have preferences as to who I want to listen to, and I do too. I want Randi Rhodes in my neighborhood... have a problem with that? Or did I insult your favorite radio talk show host?

[wyldwolf]

27. You can make your opinion known by not listening

If enough feel like you do, the station will make a switch.

However, stating someone has to "go" because you don't agree with them is, well, you said it above - Republican like.

I deplore Mike Malloy. However, I would never assume he had to "go" because I prefer someone else.

[stepnw1f]

43. Sayin someone Has to Go Sounds "Like I Don't Like Him" Period

Is it intolerance... no. Once again: it's preference and a strong opinion. I don't wish to ban the guy from America, I just don't want to here him kiss ditto-head ass anymore in Boston, where I and many hard-core liberals live. That's how we got into this shit in the first place. Just a strong opinion/preference.

Stop playing the Liberal should be nicey nice card with me.

Oh... I love Malloy. No wonder you had a problem with my thread.

[tjwash]

34. I like Big Eddie.

Especially when he makes fun of people that call up and complain that he's not liberal enough for them.

[Dr Fate]

17. I like him, but he does lean DLC.

I dont think he "agrees with Republicans" on most isues at all, but I will say that he seems to lean DLC on some things.

I like his hunting, sports and cars tough-guy angle- I also like his hard pro-labor angle.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

30. That's the problem

By supporting Alito, he betrays the superficiality of his pro-labor stance. Alito is directly inimical to the right to organize, the Fair Labor Standards Act and the right of organized labor to express its political opinion. Anyone who believes the Americans With Disabilities Act is an over-extension of congressional power has no problem with other critical pieces of legislation.

[Dr Fate]

36. Actually, he says over & over that he supports a filibuster.

So lots not mis-inform other DUers about this.

My problem with him is he is a little "soft" on his Senator guests when it comes to questions on that issue.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

37. Apparently

A lot of people are already misinformed. It's already making the rounds that Ed opposes the filibuster.

Your problem w/ him going soft on questioning guests is the curse of the media "personality." If you bear down, you'll never get them on again.

[proud2BlibKansan]

64. So he is not supporting Alito?

Phew. I was puzzled for awhile there.

[WildEyedLiberal]

24. Schultz isn't designed to appeal to hardcore liberals

But if he can get some truck drivers and farmers who used to listen to Rush to consider another viewpoint, then he's doing a good thing. People like that would flat-out reject anyone as "liberal" as the AAR hosts, but they might be open to more of a centrist like Schultz. It's a foot in the door. Just my 2 cents.

[madfloridian]

25. He does not do research, and does not correct when presented with facts.

I don't listen to him at all anymore.

[PassingFair]

41. His problem is more Ignorance than Ignominy, Mad.....

I agree with you.

He has HUGE gaps in his knowledge base, and you're right, he'll spout off and then NOT APOLOGIZE.

He didn't even know what BLACKWATER SECURITY was, for cripe's sake!

I believe he is also fed DLC talking points. I haven't forgiven him for smearing Murtha.

[Cha]

45. And I don't like him for

raging on Dean cause he wasn't hauling in enough so-called money for the DNC..when in reality Dean had a record off election year of raking it in. And, of course, no apologies.

We each have our criterion for what a decent radiohead should be and he doesn't meet mine. Guy James is really an all encompassing Democratic Voice ..I wish he could be on one of those big stations!

[PassingFair]

50. Again, Zidzi....

look who defends him here. REAL "red meat" democrats....
AND our own "Chardonnay-Sipping" self-appointed
"puppetmasters".

[madfloridian]

51. He is the one who gets most of the party talking points...also Fargo 42

It bothers me. We know that is true. People like Randi and Sam Seder don't have to kowtow to the party leaders.

What turned me off was he said Howard Dean needed to get his head out of his ass. Implied he was not doing anything as party chair.

We sent him schedules, long ones of Dean's travels with the party. He and his staff did not care at all. James Holm, who used to be a DFA member wrote me that Big Ed was just to keep Howard Dean on the ball.

It was so condescending to hear that. Research and facts did not even touch them.

Remember the Fargo 42? The ones who were on a blacklist in Fargo who would not be allowed to attend the president's rallies? Remember them? 37 of them, including James Holm on Ed's staff...were DFA.

Ed knew they were mostly DFA...Democracy for America people were on a blacklist. He refused to mention who they were, though he spent days on it. He never said the words DFA, and he had to know who they were. His producer was a member of DFA and on the blacklist.

37 members of the group formed from Howard Dean's campaign were on a blacklist. Ed knew it...he refused to say it. That was a terrible thing to be blacklisted. He should have said so. WHY didn't he?

His party points showed so much that the only time he mentioned Dean was to blast him unfairly.

I expect my radio folks to be intelligent and informed. Or I don't listen.

[Cha]

56. "Intelligent and Informed" is

Good! What a Concept!

[Danieljay]

26. This is exactly why the Republicans have us whipped...

They don't go around bashing each other's approach to politics and come together as a united front against a bunch of democrats, liberals, and progressives who show NO cohesiveness, are divided amongst themselves, and attack each other as much as they do the opponant.

Ed Shultz resonates with a lot of blue collar union folks working in factories. I'll tell you something as a former manufacturing manager from the midwest (now settled in the liberal oasis of Portland Oregon): Rhandi Rhodes don't cut with the guys "out back" (in the shops). As talented and knowledgable as she is about the issues, her style doesn't sit well with the "meat eating, gun toting, lefties" out there. Ed Shultz's style does. Until the Democratic party can grow a unifed spine, stop dividing themselves among their pet issues, and confront the right wing machine head on there is little hope to turn this thing around.

There is room for Shultz and there is room for Rhodes. Geez...the right wing laughs themselves into office watching us on the left bicker among ourselves.

To paraphrase an old saying: "Fool me once..." oh not that one, sorry: "A party divided cannot stand".

[Loge23]

32. Good post Dan!

Ain't that the truth? You'll never hear a freep dissing Hannity or O'Lieely - whether or not they listen to them.
When will we ever learn?

[guidod]

54. Well said!!

Also, Schultz is the ONLY talk radio host in the Country that doesn't screen his calls.

[Pushed To The Left]

78. Excellent post! I agree 100% n/t

[Onlooker]

28. He was very good on the filibuster issue today

He seems like a fairly progressive Democrat to me, but packages liberalism in a sort of patriotic and promilitary way that probably appeals to the red states. I suspect he has a number of red state fans.

[LittleClarkie]

46. He's a Hillary Dem. That's bound to not go over well here.

But he did give props to Kerry today, and he gave Gore major props for his last speech. Not to mention being a major supporter of Cindy Sheehan during the Camp Casey protest.

He has his moments.

[berni_mccoy]

29. Depending on where you live, you may be able to get WLIB from NY

1190 AM radio.

[jenndar]

31. Write to him.

His producer usually writes back. Ed is wrong on a lot of things, but at least he'll engage with his listeners.

[NCarolinawoman]

33. I am really glad that we get him here in North Carolina.

Today he was playing sound bites of Bush telling lie after lie through the years of his Presidency. He was mocking Bush and talking about what a disaster he is. A couple of Republicans called in really angry at Ed. A lot of Republicans and DINOS also call in and tell Ed they were stupid to have voted for Bush. These people are NOT going to be listening to Randi or Stephanie or Al Franken. But they will turn on Ed.

We Dems need all the help we can get. By and large, I think Ed is helping. Ed's voice will come in really handy when the red state Congressional races get started; and thanks to Dean, there will be many more contested Congressional races in these parts.

[sendero]

35. You are not his audience..

... the centrist who might be persuaded to our side is.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

39. I thought he made some very good points today about Abramoff

I admit that I was only able to tune in for about twenty minutes. But he was talking with a caller about how Abramoff gave not one dime to Democrats and that Katy Couric, Tim Russert and Matt Lauer got it all wrong. He was mentioning the fact that some of Abramoff's Indian clients had been previous contributors to Democrats before they became clients of Abramoff and continued making the same contributions and that that activity isn't illegal. I don't think a conservative would be making that point.

I love Randi Rhodes because she does homework and she's very thorough with her facts. I'm not a big fan of Mike Malloy because I think he's too often over the top and too emotional, with not enough factual content to his show. Big Ed is not my favorite radio host, either, but I don't have strong feelings against him.

I think Ed also made a very good point about not walking out on the State Of The Union message. The Capitol building belongs to the people and Democrats should not be seen deserting it. Instead of walking out, I would call on Democrat Congressmen and Congresswomen to fold their arms across their chests throughout the speech and never applaud a single time and never stand up a single time. That delivers a much stronger message in my opinion. It sends the message of standing their ground and not approving of anything the Chimp does or says.

[Cleita]

40. I don't think he's a plant but he thinks like a midwestern

conservative about a lot of issues. He's very pro-union and I like that side of him, but I do disagree with a lot of his positions.

[Jai4WKC08]

42. I live in Kansas and we need Ed Schultz here

I listen to him on Sirius and he rips the Bushies up, but in a way that people in these parts will listen to.

God knows I love AAR too, especially Randi Rhodes (she's the best), but she wouldn't make it here in the Heartland.

Get real, please. America is not Massachusetts. Your state is already safely blue.

[stepnw1f]

44. You Can Have Him

I just don't want him here.

[SPKrazy]

47. Don't listen to him if you don't like him

personally I like Ed

[madfloridian]

52. I don't like or respect him, and I don't listen.

He has turned a lot of his listeners who trust him against the party chairman. That is just dead wrong.

[SPKrazy]

55. You Aren't The OP

my comments were directed at the OP

I don't like the party chairman either

And it didn't take Ed to turn me against him.

[stepnw1f]

59. Listen Up

There is no other talk radio in my area worth listening to. You like him... you listen to him. But I'm gonna try to get someone else in my area.

Keep the ditto-head ass kisser.

[SPKrazy]

81. Listen up your own self

I don't even have any liberal talk radio where I live!

Wish I did, but I've listened to Ed Shultz when I've visited family in Colorado and thought he seemed pretty cool.

I guess you can listen to whatever you want.

I need to get me Satellite so I can do the same!

[madfloridian]

71. Neither you nor Ed need to like Dean, but Ed should NOT be insulting.

to him. I don't care how you feel about the chairman. We are used to that crap here.

But Big Eddie boy LIED about Dean, and when given the facts he refused to correct them.

Ed Lied. You listen, I won't. He does the Democrats no favor by lying about the party chairman.

I care nothing at all about how you feel. you are just saying rude things about him on an internet forum. Ed's voice is on the radio, and he is not being responsible.

[proud2BlibKansan]

60. How is he siding with the GOP?

I haven't listened to him lately but I have listened to him a lot and I can't think of how he would be siding with the GOP.

FYI, he was the only radio guy in Crawford when Cindy Sheehan was there in August - at least the only one I saw there or heard talking about being there.

[AX10]

63. I like him and I listen.

I don't like when he gives "credit" to Bush for doing something small right. Otherwise, he is good for the party. He can get people in the middle of the country onto the just side (our side).

[QC]

65. God forbid that we have someone who appeals to blue-collar voters.

We definitely need to get him off there and replace him with something relevant. Maybe a Marxist mime troupe from Berkeley, or a panel discussion on herbal teas.

Seriously, if you don't like him, why not change the station or, heaven forbid, turn off the radio. You're no different from those people who want every tv show that they don't like taken off the air.

[stepnw1f]

67. BTW - I AM BLUE COLLAR

I don't appreciate the condescending Limbaugh stereotype of liberals either:

"We definitely need to get him off there and replace him with something relevant. Maybe a Marxist mime troupe from Berkeley, or a panel discussion on herbal teas"

[madfloridian]

72. Whoa! It is not ok to not tell the truth...no matter who your audience.

And he did not tell the truth.

[SHRED]

70. No he doesn't

He fills a need for us.
Wake up.

[SethInUpstateNY]

73. I'm done with him,

after he attacked Murtha. I listen to Randi, instead.