Not Allowing an Iraqi Woman to Breastfeed her Baby for 2 Days is Torture.

[leftchick]

Both physically and emotionally. Ask any woman who has ever breastfed. The US is using Terrorist tactics in Iraq....

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In one memo, a civilian Pentagon intelligence officer described what happened when he took part in a raid on an Iraqi suspect's house in Tarmiya, northwest of Baghdad, on May 9, 2004. The raid involved Task Force (TF) 6-26, a secretive military unit formed to handle high-profile targets.

"During the pre-operation brief it was recommended by TF personnel that if the wife were present, she be detained and held in order to leverage the primary target's surrender," wrote the 14-year veteran officer.

He said he objected, but when they raided the house the team leader, a senior sergeant, seized her anyway.

"The 28-year-old woman had three young children at the house, one being as young as six months and still nursing," the intelligence officer wrote. She was held for two days and was released after he complained, he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060127/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_leveraging_wives

[Terran1212]

1. French in Algeria all over again

[converted_democrat]

2. I hate what my nation has become... n/t

[leftchick]

3. The more I think about this the angrier I get

The pain that poor woman went through. And Did the child even survive? We will never know. No wonder they fucking hate us.

[FreedomAngel82]

23. Maybe they had friends or relatives who helped

I wish to know. :( We probably won't.

[leftchick]

27. think about it...

a six month old baby ripped from its mother with no source of nutrition. Even if they found formula, which is doubtful, would the baby even take it? This is so very fucked up in so many ways. Pro-life repukes are anything but. :puke:

[Hubert Flottz]

4. Shouldn't " (TF) 6-26" be T-4 instead?

The Famous T-4 program:

The T-4 Euthanasia Program

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/t4.html

Same kind of people in charge it sounds like.

"Operation T4"

http://www.hdot.org/evidence/pl235.asp

Edit: couldn't get the first link to work either, but found another link to T-4 information.

[leftchick]

5. Hubert your link is not working for me

I want to read how the US is more like the Nazis than anyone wants to admit.

[Hubert Flottz]

13. When I saw your post about (TF) 6-26 it reminded me of T-4.

So many things about the round-ups in Iraq remind me of WW II and the horrid things the Nazis did to the people who's countries they overran and subjugated. I thought before Americans ever set foot in Iraq that these things would happen. The cities our military wiped out in Iraq remind me so much of what once took place at a little town called Lidice in the Czech Republic.

Lidice - 1942

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On May 27th, 1942, Heydrich was attacked by British-trained Czech freedom fighters. A grenade attack on his car left him fatally wounded and he died on June 4th. Hitler had always had a high opinion of Heydrich. Some believe that Hitler was grooming Heydrich to succeed him and the Fuehrer said that “he has a heart of iron”. Energetic and efficient, Heydrich brought a reign of terror to Czechoslovakia and his death enraged Hitler.

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On June 9th, they returned in the evening. Most of the villagers had gone to bed. They were woken and made to gather in the village square. Women and children were put on one side and men and boys over 15 were put on the other side of the square. The men and boys were put in farm buildings while the women and children were locked into the local school. After the villagers had been locked away, military police ransacked the homes once again and took anything of value. All farming tools were taken and cattle were herded up. Anything of the remotest value was taken.

At 05.00 the next day, the198 women and 98 children were put onto lorries and driven away. They were transferred to Ravensbruck concentration camp. Those children who were considered suitable for ‘Germanisation’ were picked out and given to SS families. Those who were not considered suitable were scheduled to be sent to the camps. The men were brought out of the farm houses and lined up in front of mattresses laid against a wall - see the photograph above. The execution squad brought them out in batches of ten. 173 were shot. Those men who lived in Lidice but who were on shift work at the local factories when the arrests were made, were rounded up later – a further 19 were shot. Those men who were in Lidice at the time visiting relatives and friends, but who were not from Lidice, were also shot.

The village was then destroyed – literally wiped off of the map. Houses were destroyed, orchards dug up and the graveyard desecrated. Even pet dogs were shot. When this was done, pioneer troops were sent in to plough the land flat. Seemingly nothing was left of the village, not even the outline. The whole episode was filmed by the SS...more...

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/lidice_1942.htm


WE REMEMBER LIDICE!

http://www.zchor.org/lidice1.htm

Passing the legacy of Lidice on to a younger generation

http://www.radio.cz/en/article/67494

War is not a video game like the Freepers think. I'm afraid the American people will find out the hard way, like the German people found out. You play with fire enough, sooner or later you will get burned!

[leftchick]

18. you are so right. It is tragically familiar

and we have a new little hitler just like the old...

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“Hitler was frantic with rage and, characteristically, what he called for was not justice but vengeance. He ordered the instant execution of 30,000 Czechs as a reprisal.”
Richard Livingstone

[bush_is_wacko]

6. I totally agree with that statement and I did breastfeed.

Holy cow! Stopping breastfeeding of your own accord is painful. I had to bind myself, take hot showers and ibuprofen. The transition was much easier for my children than it was for me but they had access to infant formula! I'm surprised the baby didn't die of dehydration. They tortured a mother and a 6 month old baby! Lock them up and throw away the key is all I can say. This kind of crap disgusts me. How do they justify this?

[raysr]

7. You know what

Americans really are pigs!

[leftchick]

8. How do we even know if the child survived?

we don't.

[bush_is_wacko]

11. You're right. the article doesn't say and I doubt they would ever admit

they starved/dehydrated an infant to death. Sick, just sick!

[jberryhill]

37. The article is not clear on whether they were separated

...not that this news copy is a model of clarity, but it's not as if nobody has ever arrested a nursing mother.

[leftchick]

41. what part about "SHE WAS DETAINED FOR TWO DAYS THEN RELEASED"

not clear? Are you assuming the nice guys that kidnapped her allowed her to take her baby? Give me a break.

[jberryhill]

43. We do that all the time

You are assuming they were separated.

I'm simply questioning the assumption YOU made. I'm not assuming anything.

Obviously, if I wasn't concerned, I wouldn't be reading the thread.

But the assumption here is yours.

The whole tactic is wrong, and was objected to in advance.

Saying "SHE WAS DETAINED FOR TWO DAYS THEN RELEASED" is very clear that she was detained. It is most certainly not clear as to whether she was detained with the infant (or indeed any of the other children) or not.

[bleedingheart]

9. it is torture to stop nursing for two days...and it can mess up the

mother's ability to supply milk...

this stuff just pisses me off...

[leftchick]

17. yes it certainly can

she may have been unable to nurse her baby once she was reunited. If the baby was still alive. :(

[AlCzervik]

36. exactly, the mothers milk production would begin to shut down

[knitter4democracy]

46. Me too. And what really bothers me are the after-effects.

She could've gotten mastitis really easily, which can kill the mother if not treated quickly. The baby can die from bad water mixed to make something to keep him/her going. All that to use her and her baby as collateral to get her husband (an alleged bomber, not tried and found guilty or anything)?!

I'm sick. I have had mastitis twice, and I lost my milk for my son when I had strep throat. It's horrible to go through--and I had medicine and help. She was sick and in prison. Disgusting.

[Swamp Rat]

10. Torturing babies too...

:puke:

I hate this government! :grr:

[Zenlitened]

12. I'm grateful to the unidentified officer who raised a stink, though.

... the intelligence officer wrote. She was held for two days and was released after he complained, he said.

THAT is what an American patriot looks like.

[malaise]

14. It's all terror as well as torture

and it's all illegal but who will bell the cats?
add to subject

[Scout]

15. HERE's a woman who DOES have a legitimate breastfeeding complaint!

poor woman, it must have been awful.

I hope that spoiled whiney yuppie from Ann Arbor YMCA reads this story.

[Hubert Flottz]

16. K&R

I just saw this story on the CBS evening news.

[blue neen]

19. Ah yes, the "compassionate conservatives" strike again.

And what's that we hear from this administration about a "culture of life"?

What a bunch of lying, hypocritical torturers. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, all of them should be tried, convicted, and imprisoned. Actually, that's too good for them.

[samhsarah]

20. WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THAT BABY???????????

That's what I want to know. Good God. I am ashamed to be an American right now.

[leftchick]

21. indeed

did that baby survive? AmeriKa does not give a shit. :(

[Disturbed]

24. I have been ashamed of the Neo Fascist Regime...

of Amerika since 2000.

[Hubert Flottz]

25. Do you think Iraqi Babies have a right to life?

Bush and Cheney don't think so...

[samhsarah]

26. Unfortunately for the world...

Their mothers' thought Bush and Cheney had a right to life.

[jberryhill]

38. I would assume...

....that the baby was taken into custody with the mother, the same way as when nursing mothers in this country are arrested.

Just following the sequence of the story... They go to house. She is at house. Also at house are children and nursing baby. They take her into custody.

When one reads a story about a mother of an infant being arrested and taken into custody here in the US, do you naturally assume that because it doesn't say "both" were taken into custody that that's NOT what happened? Because normally mom and the baby are taken into custody. The article doesn't say these two were separated.

[samhsarah]

39. WTF?

"In one case, a secretive task force locked up the young mother of a nursing baby" - Where the fuck does it say they locked up the young mother AND the nursing baby? And if a mother here gets taken into custody, they keep her children with her, they aren't separated? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Who the hell was saying that they left the baby there to fend for itself. Of course they took the baby into custody. The question is what the fuck happened to the baby after that?

[jberryhill]

48. Huh?

"Of course they took the baby into custody."

Why do you say that? The article doesn't say that. They obviously just left the baby in the house, since it doesn't say they took the baby.

Maybe I need to back up and figure out what the operative assumption here is. There seem to be a couple of choices.

Do I understand you to say you think they DID take the baby, but for some reason kept it in a separate cell or something?

Or are you being sarcastic, since it seems obvious to everyone but me that they just left the baby there?

[leftchick]

42. Do you what they say about assuming anything.

why did the complaining officier report this? Reread the article and it may become more clear for you.

[jberryhill]

44. Okay, I read the article again

And the reason why the complaining officer reported the incident, if YOU bother to read the article, was that he said IN ADVANCE not to take anyone else.

He objected during the pre-operation brief, and was still objecting because, despite his advance objection a senior sargeant "seized her anyway".

So, hell yes, he was still objecting two days after the fact as well. He had been objecting the whole time.

It doesn't say he was specifically objecting because of your assumed "fact" that the mother and baby were separated.

Which is why I asked, is there another report of this incident which is not ambiguous.

And I can answer questions without being cussed at. If the baby was taken with the mother when she was seized, then it would be bleedingly obvious that after she was released, the baby would also go with the mother - because they would have been kept together.

There are babies feeding away in jail cells with their mothers everywhere. That's what you DO with mothers and nursing infants if you seize them.

Again, the seizure was wrong regardless of whether she even HAD an infant. But you can't conclude from this article, what is being generally concluded here - that an illegal detention was infanticide.

[leftchick]

45. No where does it say she had the baby with her

so why do you assume she does? That is naive. You are giving this secret torture unit of the pentagon a HUGE benefit of the doubt. Read the links provided, their job is not to accommodate kidnap victims but to USE THEM and Torture them for information.

As for comparing this to what happens in the USA? Please, have you not noticed there are no fucking rules in Iraq?

[jberryhill]

47. No

"You are giving this secret torture unit of the pentagon a HUGE benefit of the doubt."

No. I'm trying to figure out what really happened.

How am I giving anyone the HUGE benefit of anything which I already called "illegal" and a "gestapo tactic".

You know what? The article doesn't deny the claim that other soldiers cooked and ate the baby either.

THAT's why it doesn't say what happened - to hide the rampant cannibalism in Iraq.

[FreedomAngel82]

22. Oh gosh

:cry: Poor mother and baby.

[Tsiyu]

28. "Woe to those who are pregnant or nursing in those days"

** wants to fulfill all that "bobble" prophecy, dontchaknow

[Nothing Without Hope]

29. ***RELATED THREAD: Washington Post article on wives being seized:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2069615
thread title (1-27-06 LBN): Documents Show Army Seized Wives As Tactic

Wash Post article based on US military documents.

[leftchick]

30. good it is in the Post

this is just fucking incredible. Where the hell is the outrage from the pro-lifers?? :argh:

[Hubert Flottz]

32. I have been thinking about this sad story since I saw this thread.

I'm wondering if...This type of military round up, is happening all over Iraq and if so, how long have these types of atrocities been going on in our name?

Bush is always calling people abroad "Barbarians," but if this type of activity we're seeing carried out in Iraq, isn't sadistic barbarity, then I don't know what is... Am I blaming our soldiers? NO...I'm blaming those who are in charge of our soldiers. It isn't our soldier's fault they are in Iraq to start with. I blame the liars who sat around the White House and the Pentagon and instigated this war.

We heard about this case mentioned in your op, but how many cases have not been reported? The only reason we heard about this case, was like with Abu Ghraib, because an officer, or soldier, couldn't stomach what he was seeing done, or being ordered to do. How many officers and NCOs would have just done as they were told and never dreamed of saying a word, or been afraid of saying a word, to anyone outside the military?

Have you ever heard about "Task Force 121" and General Boykin?

Task Force 121

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"While details of the force remain highly classified and the officials questioned by the New York Times declined to discuss the rules under which it operates, they did say it had shown results by getting close to Saddam - they gave no further details. They said the force is made up of Special Operations forces from the Army, Navy and Air Force and is supplemented by a large conventional force, which can be called in to secure a perimeter, create a diversion or supply greater firepower than Task Force 121 is capable of.

"The covert force, the sources said, came into being after commanders realised they needed to streamline operations and that the hunt for al-Qaeda, Taliban and ex-Iraqi regime members should not be restricted by international borders. More...

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Task_Force_121

EDIT...Is the brutality we're seeing in Iraq now, the Pentagon's "Office Of SPECIAL Planning" and Bush/Cheney's, "Noble Cause"? The "Noble Cause" the churches elected Bush to look after?

[leftchick]

34. the more I look the scarier it gets

These are fucking Nazi tactics they are using, In Our Names! I added some more information about TF 6-26. It is a Pentagon operation approved by rummy! Damn how the hell many do they have? I also have no doubt this is indeed happening all over Iraq ans Afghanistan as that one link I posted reveals. Rummy is the sickest MFer on the face of the earth.

[leftchick]

31. More on this TF- 6-26 aka: Torturers are US!

Another rummy torture program....

<snip>

Singh said previous documents indicated Task Force 6-26 was linked to other instances of detainee abuse in Iraq.

"This document suggests that Task Force 6-26 was part of a larger, clandestine program that we think may have links with high-ranking officials, because obviously someone high up had the authority to put this program in place," Singh said in a telephone interview.

Army spokesman Paul Boyce said the Army had taken allegations of detainee abuse "extremely seriously."

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N12119575.htm

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NEW YORK -- The American Civil Liberties Union today released new documents obtained from the Defense Department detailing abuse at U.S. facilities in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantánamo Bay. Included in the release is the first publicly available government document confirming the existence of a secret “Special Access Program” involving a special ops unit, Task Force 6-26, which has been implicated in numerous detainee abuse incidents in Iraq, and whose operatives used fake names to thwart an Army investigation.

“These documents confirm that the torture of detainees and its subsequent cover-up was part of a larger clandestine operation, in all likelihood, authorized by senior government officials,” said ACLU attorney Amrit Singh. “Despite mounting evidence of systemic abuse authorized or endorsed from above, however, not a single high level official has thus far been brought to justice.”

In one Army file, an investigator states that he is unable to continue an investigation into claims that a detainee captured by Task Force 6-26 in Tikrit, Iraq, was stripped, humiliated and physically abused until he passed out, because the unit accused of the abuse is part of the Special Access Program (SAP). A memorandum included in the report states that “fake names were used by the 6-26 members” and that the unit claimed to have a computer malfunction which resulted in the loss of 70 percent of their files. The memorandum concludes, “Hell, even if we reopened we wouldn’t get any more information than we already have.”

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11546.htm

[NNN0LHI]

33. Lets see if any reporters ask Boosh about this n/t

[Berserker]

40. I had the same

thought but we already know the answer to that. We must not put the little king on the spot and make him squirm.

[Boxerfan]

35. I am beyond sad. I am bereft of hope. HOW THE F*CK do you justify

Starving babies:argh: