Should Reid be replaced as Minority Leader?

[MoonRiver]

I'm serious. Why is it up to Kerry and Kennedy to rally support for a filibuster? This is Reid's job! What's the matter with him if he can't rally his caucus around an issue so important, and about which Democrats around the country are demanding action? I think he's a nice man and has good intentions, but I don't know if he has the kind of leadership qualities we need at this pivotal point in history. We need a fighter, like, er, Howard Dean.
:think:
If only could clone him. :(

[MercutioATC]

1. I'm reserving judgement until I see how this goes.

There may be a strategic reason for doing it this way.

[FreedomAngel82]

39. Same here

He's done well before so I'm waiting to see. He's now supporting Kerry so hopefully it'll work out.

[Avalux]

2. How do you know he's not?

I mean really - just because he's not front and center doesn't mean he isn't doing anything. There's a lot going on here we don't know about and don't understand. Calling to replace Reid seems premature.

[yurbud]

3. wait until after the vote

My own senators played their cards pretty close to the vest.

I'm hoping he's playing poker, but they haven't shown their hand yet.

[JeffR]

4. No

And it's entirely possible that Kerry and Kennedy are rallying support at Reid's behest.

I was iffy on Harry when he took over, but I think he's pretty shrewd and he's not afraid to speak his mind.

There's more to Reid than meets the eye, IMHO.

[sellitman]

5. I agree 100%

I am as mad as a hornet. This bastard Alito has no fucking business on the Supreme Court. Any Democrat who won't support a filabuster is a piece of shit worthless repuke enabler.

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[cali]

9. All kinds of deals get made

Reid and others recognize that Senator's such as Nelson of Nebraska who are not only from blood red states, but up for re-election this year may bow to necessity. it's more important to Reid and most likely every other Senator to gain the majority this fall, than to have everybody vote in lockstep. Politics is the art of the possible. And frankly, I see the name calling as pathetic. You can disagree with someone strongly, condemn their actions strongly without resorting to ad hominem attacks.

[sellitman]

42. Maybe you don't really understand how important this vote is?

We have to start standing up to these thugs now. If we don't 2006 won't even matter. Whoever won't filibuster is probably beyond name calling but it's all I do from these keyboards until the rat bastards are up for re-election.

[Idioteque]

6. Abso-friggin-lutely NOT!

Although it may not look like it, the Democratic caucus has been more united than ever. Reid has gotten a lot more done with 45 Democrats than Daschle did with 48. In my opinion, he has done a very good job.

[Bumblebee]

7. NO.

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[MoonRiver]

21. You have some nerve.

Obviously anybody who DARES to voice any dissent against YOUR view of things on this board is labeled a Republican. I have worked as hard as anybody here to elect Kerry and others. You have permanently discredited yourself to me with such a stupid and outrageous personal attack on another Democrat, who simply disagrees with you. :thumbsdown:

[mzmolly]

24. Riiiiiiiiight.

:eyes:

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[mzmolly]

26. Actually, I'm calling you counter productive.

:hi:

[MoonRiver]

27. I'll take you at your word. You have a right to your opinion.

But that's not what I deduced from this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2401620&mesg_id=2401712
Anyway, I'll let it go.

[mzmolly]

31. "Trolls" are counter productive ...

;)

[MoonRiver]

32. So you're calling me a troll?

I have alerted on you before and I will again. You are unbelievably offensive.

[mzmolly]

33. You asked for clarification.

I gave it.

[MoonRiver]

34. Well, I'm sending this thread to the administrators and complaining

about you. It is against DU rules to insult and demean another member the way you have done to me throughout this entire thread. Not agreeing with someone's opinion is no reason to stoop this low.

[mzmolly]

35. So your saying "I'm complaining about you" is what exactly?

I believe it's against the rules.

Do as you see fit.

[mzmolly]

40. In hindsite, you have my apologies.

I was wrong to imply you were a troll.

Peace

[man4allcats]

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[William Bloode]

10. While i am not 100% pleased with him,

I will say i think he is doing a far better job than Daschle had done. I'll wait and see how things go for a bit longer before i pass judgment.

[Charlie Brown]

11. ?

Since becoming minority leader, Reid has

1) Led the effort to derail Bush's social security proposal

2) Forced the special Senate session to debate the Iraq War

3) Opposed John Roberts (Leahy and Feingold supported Roberts).

4) Organized opposition to Bush's wiretapping and the Patriot Act

5) Kept ANWR alive and come out hard against Bush's budget proposals

6) Pushed for an investigation into the actions of the NSA

7) A zillion other things which other minority leaders whould not have done


You want to replace him for not backing a filibuster that will certainly fail and make us look like a party of lame ducks. I'm beginning to see why the leadership position is a thankless job, what with how quickly people here turn on our most valuable members.

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[Charlie Brown]

13. self-delete

[mzmolly]

15. Not YOU Charlie.

Yours was a great post. I just don't understand the intent of this discussion?

[Charlie Brown]

16. Oh, sorry

Gotcha.

[mzmolly]

19. S'alright.

;)

[ken_g]

17. I think he's replying to OPer /eom

[MoonRiver]

23. Yes, and this Oper has alerted.

It is outrageous and definitely against the rules to call someone a Repuke when they simply disagree with you.

[melissinha]

14. No, way better than Daschle

We really don't know what goes on behind doors.... I think he gets the ones with balls like Kennedy, Kerry, Durbin, and Schumer to go out and stir stuff up....

Give em Hell Harry!!

[bigwillq]

18. I don't think so.

I think he's done a pretty good job so far.
The blame shouldn't be placed just on him when something happens that you don't agree with.

[Mist]

20. As Idioteque put it, Reid has done more with 45 senators than

Daschle did with 48. He plays his cards pretty close to the chest, so let's wait and see what happens with Alito.

[drbtg1]

22. Yes, by Paul Hackett

of course, by then, it should be majority leader

[liberaliraqvet26]

43. Amen , Hackett Rocks!!!

Help hunt chickenhawks in '06..
http://www.iavapac.org/index.html

[dmr]

28. No

People cannot be everything we want them to be, for crying out loud.

Read Charlie Brown's post # 11. Reid has been quite effective, and I like the man. I want him to filibuster, and he still may change his mind. If he doesn't, I will still be supportive.

[Adelante]

29. No, I don't agree

Reid has been an excellent leader.

[GOPNotForMe]

30. No, his job is basically to herd cats.

It's not easy, he's doing a good job. God, it amazes me how myopic some people can be.

[Orangepeel]

36. Reid is doing a very good job

So he can't get every single Democratic Senator to agree on big issues. That doesn't mean he's not doing a good job.

Democrats in the Senate (which is designed to be cautious and compromising) range from Boxer and Kennedy to Nelson and Johnson. That's a very big tent, and Reid does an admirable job of trying to keep everyone under it. It's not always possible.

[oasis]

37. I salute Reid and Dick Durbin for the hard work they continue to do. They

have my complete confidence.

[Neil Lisst]

38. Harry Reid is terrible, and should be replaced.

Forget leadership, which he is sorely lacking. This guy can't say "hello" without consulting his notes. He's a terrible public speaker, and is a complete waste of TV air time. Same for Pelosi.

We live in a TV age, and if you suck on TV, you have no business being on TV. They both need to sit down, let someone else run the leadership, and help. But they won't, because their egos run them, not their desire to do what is best for the party.

[Beelzebud]

44. Yes he should. He has proven time and time again, he does not have

what it takes.

Everytime the man stands and tells the truth, a day later he APOLOGIZES for it...

I'm tired of WEAK democratic leadership in D.C.

[Pirate Smile]

45. No

[McCamy Taylor]

46. This could be part of the plan.....

Build up suspense in the media. PLUS get the Democratic :dem: Base (that means US) hopping :bounce: mad :grr: so that we overwhelm DC with our messages about Alito. :thumbsdown:

If the Dems do this in response to a groundswell of public opinion rather than as a minority party it creates a very different effect. PLus, hold outs are more likely to go along with the Democratic herd.

Still think we need an Anita Hill, some woman who will say "Alito told me he would definitely outlaw abortion.".

Now, we know how lazy the Democratic base is. If the DEms said "We have the filibuster in the bag" we would all sit back and enjoy our weekend and maybe fuss at Hilary for not being left wing enough or Kerry for voting for the war.

If I lived on the east coast, I would take a train into DC this weekend and do an impromptu rally around Congress demanding a filbuster of Alito. That would be eye catching.