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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 06:52 PM
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Ready for $262/barrel oil?
http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/27/news/international/pluggedin_fortune/index.htm?cnn=yes


Two of the world's most successful investors say oil will be in short supply in the coming months.

(in other words, they're manipulating the stock market with fear. Good ol' fashioned fear.)

That's the message from two of the world's most successful investors on the topic of high oil prices. One of them, Hermitage Capital's Bill Browder, has outlined six scenarios that could take oil up to a downright terrifying $262 a barrel.

The other, billionaire investor George Soros, wouldn't make any specific predictions about prices. But as a legendary commodities player, it's worth paying heed to the words of the man who once took on the Bank of England -- and won. "I'm very worried about the supply-demand balance, which is very tight," Soros says.

"U.S. power and influence has declined precipitously because of Iraq and the war on terror and that creates an incentive for anyone who wants to make trouble to go ahead and make it." As an example, Soros pointed to the regime in Iran, which is heading towards a confrontation with the West over its nuclear power program and doesn't show any signs of compromising. "Iran is on a collision course and I have a difficulty seeing how such a collision can be avoided," he says.

Another emboldened troublemaker is Russian president Vladimir Putin, Soros said, citing Putin's recent decision to briefly shut the supply of natural gas to Ukraine. The only bit of optimism Soros could offer was that the next 12 months would be most dangerous in terms of any price shocks, because beginning in 2007 he predicts new oil supplies will come online.


Article has more.

Dunno where, how, or why any new sources will be up by 2007; the oil companies aren't bothering to repair damaged rigs from Katrina, amongst other odd things...

To come up with some likely scenarios in the event of an international crisis, his team performed what's known as a regression analysis, extrapolating the numbers from past oil shocks and then using them to calculate what might happen when the supply from an oil-producing country was cut off in six different situations. The fall of the House of Saud seems the most far-fetched of the six possibilities, and it's the one that generates that $262 a barrel.

Amusing how it lacks any details... yet the following goes into lurid detail:

More realistic -- and therefore more chilling -- would be the scenario where Iran declares an oil embargo a la OPEC in 1973, which Browder thinks could cause oil to double to $131 a barrel. Other outcomes include an embargo by Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez ($111 a barrel), civil war in Nigeria ($98 a barrel), unrest and violence in Algeria ($79 a barrel) and major attacks on infrastructure by the insurgency in Iraq ($88 a barrel).

Whatever. I could be hit by a bus, suffer fatal bronchitis, have a heart attack, or even get my willie chopped off by a Lorena-Bobbitt-Wannabe and subsequently bleed to death tomorrow. Fear doesn't scare me. Sorry to be so abnormal.

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:00 PM
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1. Oil prices will be higher, no question.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:03 PM
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2. It doesnt matter to oil company theives
They make more profit when theres a supposed shortage so they make shortages every chance they get. Or rather they capitalize on any chink they can.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:09 PM
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3. I'm ready
I've joined my regional chapter of the Confederation of Americans who Whine About Gasoline Prices but Ignore Issues of Alternative Energy and Mass Transit.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:43 PM
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4. i'm readier than airline or auto industry
you know there is a point at which capitalists in other industries won't tolerate oil co. capitalists from grabbing everything

there may well be a classic civil war complete w. gunplay at that point, and i'm sure there will be some trumped-up cause or enemy we'll be told we are all fighting for

but the real war will be between big oil and big insurance (natural disasters they feel may be exacerbated or taken advantage of to boost prices), big auto, big airlines, even the tourism industry is pretty darn big these days

they gotta reign it in a little or all hell breaks loose, and don't tell me anyone is going to be much impressed that unrest in algeria (!) should be responsible for any serious increase in the price of oil, that's just silliness
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 07:43 PM
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6. Big medical ensures prices are low everywhere... except the US...
(by a factor of 1000x in many cases...)

Why should big oil be different? It'll tapdance on people as long as it can...
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 09:13 PM
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9. Internecine warfare among Big Capitalists. Sounds good.
Perhaps the CEOs and Boards of Big Oil, Big Insurance, Big Auto, Big Airlines, Big Financial, etc. will all rip each other's entrails out -- and save their employees, stockholders, and customers the trouble of doing it.
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502ramjet Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 08:13 PM
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5. Price gougers
Gee, last time Americans got pissed off about oil, prices suddenly dropped. What a surprise, no shortage after all.
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 08:09 PM
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7. The point is that we're attached to a very fragile lifeline.
It won't take much to make the U.S. economy implode. Hell, $3.00-a-gallon brought supply chains to a halt.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 08:12 PM
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8. Yeah, sure. Remember not so long ago, when a book titled
"Dow 40,000" was all the rage?

Just more alarmist bullshit.

Redsotne
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 09:19 PM
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10. Of course theyre manipulating oil, just like Natural Gas.
Some folks dont believe theres manipulation going on but in my opinion its a no brainer. Create a shortage and reap the rewards. Big oil and the lot are raping this country as we speak.
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Freedom_Aflaim Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 10:16 PM
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11. Thankgod it won't hit $265 !
$262. Sounds exacting, almost sounds as if someone has it all planned out.

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