According to Olberman, Democrats can't do any thing right

[CatWoman]

damned if we do, damned if we don't.

It appears that we are silly for demanding Alito be filibusted.

We should sit back and let Bush destroy himself. :eyes:

[stop the bleeding]

1. I'd rather go down standing up, then go down wishing and watching n/t

[Avalux]

2. I saw that.

Wall Street Journal dude talking about how splintered we are as a Party; Keith agreeing with him. They made a big deal out of Cindy Sheehan's letter to Feinstein too. To listen to them, Democrats ought to just quit because we can't do anything right. Fuck both of them, and normally, I like Keith. Not today.

[AX10]

3. I'm begining to get sick and tired of Keith's subtle jabs at the party.

The Democrats are trying to defeat Alito.

I'm just one step away from a total boycott of ALL NBC properties. The Today Show might as well be on Fox "news".

[blm]

9. The NBC team got the memo from on high - GE needs more war dollars.

So the team better make that happen - what's a PR Dept. of a defense industry giant for, anyway?

[burythehatchet]

11. I'm not sure blm

there is a deeper issue at work here, and it does concern the nature of our party. I've written about it here

[blm]

15. Yes...but you failed in accounting for individual trials and achievements.

Even Lieberman faced down thousands of bigots when he went down South to protect black voters.

That was a tough road for a young Jewish man to take.

And if you think Nam, Nixon, Boston Mafia, Reagan and Bush1 were a mere walk in the park for Kerry, then you must have some amazingly high standard for achievers.

[burythehatchet]

21. I agree with you

but would you consider the winter soldier was the same man who ran in 2004?

[blm]

22. That was nothing compared to the 5 yr battle to expose BCCI. He was in

more danger in DC those 5yrs than he probably was on the swiftboat.

You think just ANY lawmaker could stand being followed by the FBI, CIA, RW media hitmen, and GOP operatives for FIVE YEARS without cracking? And while being ostracized by most of DC including your own party? Did you know that Kerry was the first to experience the "Arkansas Project" style hit from Scaife all those years?

Once you get a grasp of what went on throughout the last 20 years, you learn what's really monumental and what's just serious business.

[burythehatchet]

23. I think you're being a little condascending

but its cool, these are trying times and we are on the same team. :)

[blm]

24. I'm just a weary battler. Sometimes a bit incredulous.

But, I do just post straight, and not with undertones to regular posters. Once you know that I'm not halfbad. ;)

[burythehatchet]

25. No you're not halfbad

in fact you're one of my faves. Onward and upward.

[madfloridian]

35. Incredulous is a pretty good word.

I am that a lot lately. I have noticed more and more than some of us are considered oddball for basically overall supporting the Democrats.

That is such an odd thing to be happening.

I know it hurts to see Kerry attacked when he is standing up and fighting so hard.

[raysr]

33. Stewarts been pissing me off lately too

[savemefromdumbya]

26. He's been given orders by the Fuhrer to say that

Keith has to do what he's told

[txindy]

4. That appears to be sound advice, watching and waiting.

After all, it's worked so well these past five years. :sarcasm:

Well, it does provide fodder for TV shows that poke fun at everyone, so, in that case, a watch and wait attitude is just perfect. If it's your show, that is. The rest of us have to live it.

No, thanks.

[Blue_In_AK]

5. I usually really like Keith

but that whole bit was really bullshit.

[CatWoman]

6. perhaps we should let him know how we feel?

[Blue_In_AK]

12. I do plan to drop him a line...

There are certainly plenty of media pundits around to do the Democrat-bashing. He doesn't need to be one of them.

[Peggy Day]

7. I agree nt

[Justitia]

8. Ok, guess I'll just turn republican then. Where can I get a lobotomy? nt

[oasis]

10. Anyone who despises Bill O'Rielly more I do is my hero for eternity.

I believe Keith O. fills the bill on that account.:kick:kicking O'Reilly's ass regularly.

[Swamp Rat]

14. For the second night in a row he's nailed O'Reilly.

I luv it! :D

[dogman]

13. Maybe he reads DU like some think.

There's as much damning of Dems here as anywhere.

[Radio_Lady]

16. Shocked to find Keith hasn't updated his web site since Dec. 5, 2005.

Damn!

http://www.bloggermann.com

[savemefromdumbya]

28. Makes ya think they've got to him

[txindy]

30. No, makes me think he's fallen behind in his job

He's hardly 'Bloggerman' if he doesn't bother blogging.

[drbtg1]

17. Any quotes?

I missed that segment.

[CatWoman]

18. check Can o fun

http://canofun.com/blog/viddate.asp

[Generator]

19. Nobody's gonna like this

And Kerry is the main (if not only) line of defense we have in dark times. And I think he's brilliant. And I think he was actually elected in 2004. And I don't know how I can even live in a county that anyone picked that other thing over such an obvious great man and I turned off Olberman tonight because I didn't want to hear this sad spin of beating up on the Dems because they are fighting back (kinda) (some of them) (at the last minute) BUT

I think I get the essence of some of the criticism and it does lead to Kerry or certainly our lack of leadership. IF had someone that put fire under their asses and they followed that someone then the fillibuster wouldn't be laughable, a pipe dream, or half done. It would be a done deal.
And it would been decided on by a real leader that gets others to follow based on the URGENCY of this moment in history and they all follow. I don't expect all Democrats to march in lockstep but this is hardly a tough call that ANY of them should be straying from our party line. And our party line dammit should be this guy is bad freaking news and not one not one Democrat should vote for him or stand in the way of a fillibuster!!! Not one-or they have to answer the leader of the Dems-the one that should have been president and damn well intends to be president next time-so you better listen up.

And a leader that could convince and unite them to do that is not something that Kerry has. It's just not who he is. Damn it all.
And it's not Reid and it's certainly not Clinton. We need a leader that others follow and that they stand as one. The Republicans do it. And while it's often not admirable because none of them ever think-they just follow-sometimes we need to herd our cats and we need someone that can do that.

[savemefromdumbya]

27. someone has to get the Dems 'arses' into line or else

I knew this would happen. Wet whimp red state Democrats let us down again.

[blm]

29. Here's what I see. Once there is a Dem in focus gaining strength, the

RW media, which is almost all media, goes to work immediately tearing that person apart in a way that divides even Dems. The media ends up controlling who gets heard and defines that person, no matter WHO they are, or what they say, or how well they say it.

You think Jesus Christ would get a fair hearing in this media reality?

[bklyncowgirl]

32. The goal is to divide and conquer, they must be ignored.

We see it all the time.

Kerry calls for a filibuster--well he did it from Davos--you know the ski slopes heh heh heh, five star resort heh heh heh.

It's all about Kerry you know--he has to throw red meat to the base if he wants the Democratic nomination.

You see the Democrats are OK with Alito, they really are, but they're being pressured into it by the wackos.

They know they can't win, they know they can't win, they know they can't win. It's a done deal, it's a done deal, it's a done deal.

Enough from the Republican noise machine.

Now Senators, please reach your hands behind your backs and find your spines--you know that knobby hard thing--it's there if you look for it--if you have trouble maybe Dr. Dean can draw you an anatomical chart.

Found it, good, now remember, there's no shame in losing provided you fight the good fight and procede with honor and dignity to uphold the oath of office that you all took to defend the Constitution of the United States.

[bklyncowgirl]

20. Give the guy credit--he pointed out gratuitous McClellan ski slope remark

And that Kerry was at an economic forum.

As for the Democrats, I dare say that those people here who've been writing, phoning, e-mailing and faxing reluctant Senators are not exactly impressed with the intestinal fortitude of many of our representatives in the Senate.

Rank and file Democrats forcing their reluctant "leaders" to do their duty is not a pretty sight.

Sounds like Keith's been hanging out with us.

[Berry Cool]

31. Things Dems need to remember about Keith:

1. He's not a Democrat. No, he's not a Republican but neither is he a Democrat. Deal with it. Yes, his views lean progressive but that does not mean he carries the flag for the Dems. If he thinks they are being ineffectual as a party, he'll call them on it.

2. No one forces him to say anything (contrary to some people's opinion). He's not a GE shill. That should be abundantly evident by now, but apparently some people are still unfamiliar enough with him not to realize what he's gotten away with saying for years now WITHOUT being fired or canceled...the Ohio election mess being but one story he harped on long after everyone else gave up. If you don't agree with everything he happens to say, that doesn't necessarily mean someone is forcing him to say it. It just means his views differ from yours.

3. Look at who his top two Worst People in the World were tonight. O'Reilly and Coulter. That should say enough about where his sentiments in general lie.

4. If you think he's got his facts wrong or want to express a differing opinion with him, hey, no one's stopping you. But don't just attack. Especially not today. I mean, hell...it's his birthday.

That is all.

Edited to add: No, wait, one more thing. At least spell his damn NAME right. It's "Olbermann." Yikes.

[CatWoman]

34. all I know is that ALL of the media is piling on the Democrats

and they are all full of shit.

I love Keith to death, but I could really do without the bullshit ridicule.

One week the media is yelling "where are the Democrats".

the next, the mantra is, "why the hell are they filibustering".

We can't fucking win for losing.

[Radio_Lady]

36. You're right about the spelling of his name as OLBERMANN.

But if you use that name for his blog, you end up nowhere.

His website is:

http://www.bloggermann