E-mail from my ex concerning Ollie North and Osama.

[maveric]

Wasnt Ollie North threatened by Abu Nadal, not Osama bin Laden?

This is the bullshit RW propaganda e-mail she sent me today.

It was 1987! At a lecture the other day they were playing an old news video of Lt.Col. Oliver North testifying at the Iran-Contra hearings during the Reagan Administration.

There was Ollie in front of God and country getting the third degree, but what he said was stunning!

He was being drilled by a senator; "Did you not recently spend close to $60,000 for a home security system?"

Ollie replied, "Yes, I did, Sir."

The senator continued, trying to get a laugh out of the audience, "Isn't that just a little excessive?"

"No, sir," continued Ollie.

"No? And why not?" the senator asked.

"Because the lives of my family and I were threatened, sir."

"Threatened? By whom?" the senator questioned.

"By a terrorist, sir" Ollie answered

"Terrorist? What terrorist could possibly scare you that much?"

"His name is Osama bin Laden, sir" Ollie replied.

At this point the senator tried to repeat the name, but couldn't pronounce it, which most people back then probably couldn't. A couple of people laughed at the attempt. Then the senator continued Why are you so afraid of this man?" the senator asked.

"Because, sir, he is the most evil person alive that I know of", Ollie answered.

"And what do you recommend we do about him?" asked the senator.

"Well, sir, if it was up to me, I would recommend that an assassin team be formed to eliminate him and his men from the face of the earth."

The senator disagreed with this approach, and that was all that was shown of the clip.

By the way, that senator was Al Gore!


This just really pissed me off!

[Book Lover]

1. North himself corrected this lie

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/north.asp

So no, Oliver North didn't warn us back in 1987 about Osama bin Laden's "potential threat to the security of the world" or suggest that bin Laden be hunted down by "an assassin team," nor was he given the brush-off by a clueless senator "who disagreed with this approach." Eventually, Col. North drafted his own response to this piece of misinformation:
FROM THE DESK OF LTCOL OLIVER L. NORTH (USMC) RET.
NOVEMBER 28, 2001


OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, I HAVE RECEIVED SEVERAL THOUSAND E-MAILS FROM EVERY STATE IN THE U.S. AND 13 FOREIGN COUNTRIES IN WHICH THE ORIGINATOR PURPORTS TO HAVE RECENTLY VIEWED A VIDEOTAPE OF MY SWORN TESTIMONY BEFORE A CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE IN 1987.

A COPY OF ONE OF THOSE E-MAILS IS ATTACHED BELOW. AS YOU WILL NOTE, THE ORIGINATOR ATTRIBUTES TO ME CERTAIN STATEMENTS REGARDING USAMA BIN LADEN AND OTHER MATTERS THAT ARE SIMPLY INACCURATE. THOUGH I WOULD LIKE TO CLAIM THE GIFT OF PROPHESY, I DON'T HAVE IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHO SAW WHAT VIDEO "AT UNC." (OR ANYWHERE ELSE) BUT, FOR THE RECORD, HERE'S WHAT I DO KNOW:

1. IT WAS THE COMMITTEE COUNSEL, JOHN NIELDS, NOT A SENATOR WHO WAS DOING THE QUESTIONING.

2. THE SECURITY SYSTEM, INSTALLED AT MY HOME, JUST BEFORE I MADE A VERY SECRET TRIP TO TEHRAN, COST, ACCORDING TO THE COMMITTEE, $16K, NOT $60K.

3. THE TERRORIST WHO THREATENED TO KILL ME IN 1986, JUST BEFORE THAT SECRET TRIP TO TEHRAN, WAS NOT USAMA BIN LADEN, IT WAS ABU NIDAL (WHO WORKS FOR THE LIBYANS — NOT THE TALIBAN AND NOT IN AFGHANISTAN).

4. I NEVER SAID I WAS AFRAID OF ANYBODY. I DID SAY THAT I WOULD BE GLAD TO MEET ABU NIDAL ON EQUAL TERMS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD BUT THAT I WAS UNWILLING TO HAVE HIM OR HIS OPERATIVES MEET MY WIFE AND CHILDREN ON HIS TERMS.

5. I DID SAY THAT THE TERRORISTS INTERCEPTED BY THE FBI ON THE WAY TO MY HOUSE IN FEB. 87 TO KILL MY WIFE, CHILDREN AND ME WERE LIBYANS, DISPATCHED FROM THE PEOPLE'S COMMITTEE FOR LIBYAN STUDENTS IN MCLEAN, VIRGINIA.

6. AND I DID SAY THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAD MOVED MY FAMILY OUT OF OUR HOME TO A MILITARY BASE (CAMP LEJEUNE, NC) UNTIL THEY COULD DISPATCH MORE THAN 30 AGENTS TO PROTECT MY FAMILY FROM THOSE TERRORISTS (BECAUSE A LIBERAL FEDERAL JUDGE HAD ALLOWED THE LYBIAN ASSASSINS TO POST BOND AND THEY FLED).

7. AND, FYI: THOSE FEDERAL AGENTS REMAINED AT OUR HOME UNTIL I RETIRED FROM THE MARINES AND WAS NO LONGER A "GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL." BY THEN, THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT HAD SPENT MORE THAN $2M PROTECTING THE NORTH FAMILY. THE TERRORISTS SENT TO KILL US WERE NEVER RE-APPREHENDED.

SEMPER FIDELIS,
OLIVER L. NORTH

[DawgHouse]

2. My boss sent me that email about a year ago.

This crap just keeps popping up!

[alfredo]

12. republicans even lie to their most loyal followers.

Ollie North roundly criticized the press for publishing leaks about an impending raid on Lybia. He said the press was responsible for the death of the airman during the raid. the press fought back by identifying the name of the leaker, Ollie North.

[blm]

3. Abu Nidal - and BushInc was making DEALS with the Bin Laden family

during this same time. In fact, while Kerry was working to expose the terrorist bank BCCI, George Bush was making millions off his deals with it including his Harken deal with Salem Bin Laden, who ended up under arrest because of Kerry's investigation.

Tell your ex to research BCCI - Bush - Bin Laden - Kerry and then ask WHO is the patriot?

[NewJeffCT]

4. This has been circulating since at least around 9/11

Even before I was onto DU in 2003, I knew this was BS because I remembered the name Abu Nidal...

[NewJeffCT]

5. please reply with the debunking from North himself

and also from Snopes.

[maveric]

8. I just sent her the Snopes report.

And reminded her about when that questioning was going on, how we both watched it and commented on the name Abu Nadal<sp>. She knows that but has several RW friends and family members that send her all that bullshit.
Its scary that people in this country who know better seem to fall for the lies and misinformation that is being shoveled on our heads of late.

[hvn_nbr_2]

11. You should also mention that at that time, we were buddy-buddy with Osama.

He was our guy in Afghanistan, freedom-fighter against the Soviets. He got his terrorist training from the CIA.

[chat_noir]

6. email signature

NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice, and certainly without probable cause. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President.


maveric, when/if you decide to set your ex straight, please be sure that the above email signature (created by a DUer) is in place.

[Justitia]

7. Now I see why you dumped her stupid ass. Kudos to you. -eom

[maveric]

10. Actually it was the other way around. But thats a long hard story.

She came from a WASP, San Diego, repug family. When we hooked up it took me years to show her the light and the bullshit that her family had been feeding her all along. She finally "got it" and became a dem.
Now her friends and boyfriends are RW troglodytes who believe whatever Rush, Savage and Coulter have to say, without doing research on their own.
I find this very disturbing!

[Justitia]

13. You obviously out think her & she still comes to you for the "truth".

So that means you outclass her by being generous enough to give an ex the time of day.

From what you have written, it seems you are the one with the vastly more positive outcome.

[FreedomAngel82]

9. It's a B.S. hoax