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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 11:58 PM
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Zogby: Pennacchio better against Santorum than Casey is
Edited on Sat Jan-28-06 12:02 AM by welshTerrier2
for some time, we've been told that the Democratic Party is backing Bob Casey against Santorum ... strong endorsements from leading Democrats, i believe including Howard Dean (is this correct?), have given other Democrats in the race a very tough hill to climb ... speaking just for myself, i don't like Party insiders funding candidates before a "fair fight" primary is held to determine the will of Democratic voters ... and, i especially abhor the Party pushing a candidate who doesn't just oppose abortion, he opposes the right to choose ... forcing a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term is barbaric ... in the past, Casey has argued that he opposes abortion even in the case of rape or incest ...

but we've been told over and over and over and over that we should not apply a litmus test to Casey ... we've been told that he's the only one who could beat the hideous Santorum ... we've been told to just shut up and go along so that Democrats could take back the Senate ... we've been called naive because we wanted the Party to represent our beliefs and that winning wasn't everything ...

well, not so fast ... the latest Zogby poll contains a few very surprising curiosities ... it seems like Casey's biggest challenger in the primary, Chuck Pennacchio, has fared better against Santorum (they both beat Santorum) than Casey did by 4.4% points ... not bad for an underdog who's been stabbed in the back by his own Party and has had an uphill campaign from day one ...

Casey is a ticking time bomb ... when voters become more familiar with him on the issues, he's going to lose ground in a hurry ... perhaps, just perhaps, we should let Democratic voters, not Party insiders, make these critical decisions ...


source: http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_rob_kall_060127_opednews_com_2f_zogby_.htm

When people find out about candidate positions on key issues, Casey plummets from a twelve point lead to a dead heat, with a non-significant two point lead.

Santorum loses when matched with any of the democratic candidates. Both of the self-identified progressive democratic candidates draw higher percentages than Casey, with Pennacchio having the largest percentage of votes against Santorum, at a not quite significant 4.4 points higher than Casey. <skip>

OpEdNews.com's conclusion on this race - Santorum wants Casey as his opponent because he wins the demographic game. Casey loses massively in some categories, when voters find out about Casey, which Santorum will sure insure. For example, Casy's support among 18-24 year olds drops from 63% to 40%, with Protestants, it drops from 47.3% to 30%, with liberals, from 95.4% to 68%, with moderates, from 64% to 53%, but Casey actually gains support from conservates, going from 3.9% to 5%, a non-significant, but interesting finding.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:01 AM
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1. Wow! Great news- The state party has pushed Casey, not Dean
as far as I know, that is.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:02 AM
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2. Exact numbers please?
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:05 AM
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4. gave you the link ...
the article does better than just provide the numbers ... it provides a detailed description of how the survey was conducted ...

here's the link again: http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_rob_kall_060127_opednews_com_2f_zogby_.htm

btw, Casey not only didn't do as well as Pennacchio did against Santorum, he didn't do as well as a second progressive Democrat did against Santorum either ... not sure the name was mentioned in the article ...
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samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:04 AM
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3. Laura Flanders did a segment about this on her show once....
she said basically the DLC with Chuck Schumer as the mouthpiece came in and said, look, this is the way it's gonna be, it's gonna be Casey. I agree with you. This is so important. WE need to choose what candidates make it to the GE through our votes. If we don't make that an important issue within our own party, we will never get rid of these DINOS who plague our house.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:06 AM
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5. This was posted earlier today, and I still smell a rat!
The questions that were asked don't tell the whole picture! The people of Pa, especially western Pa. know that Rickey scammed the Penn Hills School District by claiming he lived in Penn Hills (in a rental house he owns) while living in Va. and collecting $$ from the SD to educate his kids through Cyber School. The SD has sued him to recover their $$.

Then there's his leading the K Street Project, and his very public involvement in the Shiavo case.

Rickey is in trouble and I doubt he will be re-elected!

I think this survey was backed by Pennacchio supporters, and although it's unfair, there's lots of people who relate him to Pinnochio (sp) and just laugh.

I'm not worried about Casey.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:11 AM
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6. i have confidence in Zogby
i don't live in PA and can't address the specifics of the race in any real detail ... if you go to the link i provided, you can read the specifics of exactly how the poll was conducted and draw your own conclusions ...

my main point is that i deeply resent the Party being so heavy-handed before a primary ... when you said you smell a rat, i completely agreed ... the rat is Party elitists pushing candidates on the rest of us registered Democrats ... it seems to me the voice of the people should be heard ... this whole thing really stinks ...
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:41 AM
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9. Oh I trust Zogby too. But even the org that paid for the poll said
it depends on the questions and how you ask them.

I can't speak for the whole state of Pa. but in Western Pa. the voters really like Casey. I suppose the Party is pushing him, but I don't think it's for the wrong reasons.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:11 AM
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7. Isn't Casey a pro-preggers DLC "moderate"?
Just what we need another VichyDem.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:19 AM
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8. yes, but ...
even if you were to overlook (and i don't!!) that his views on "CHOICE" deny women of their civil liberties guaranteed by the Constitution, the argument put forth by many of his supporters is that we have to have Casey because he's the only one who can beat Santorum and Santorum is hideous ...

if the whole argument is going to focus on WINNING, it seems to me the poll in the OP pulls the rug out from under those who make this absurd argument ... if WINNING is going to be all we care about, it looks like the Democratic Party needs to switch horses and back Pennacchio ... this is true especially considering what Pennacchio has been up against ...

btw, i believe (again, correct me if i'm wrong), that Casey said yesterday he would have voted to confirm Alito ... can anyone verify this?
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:44 AM
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10. If Casey is anti-choice, pro-Scalito, why wouldn't people
just vote for Man-on-dog? IOW, if Casey wins the nomination, on what will he campaign? What contrasts will he draw between himself and InSanetorum?
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 12:48 AM
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11. good question ...
the article suggested that when voters were provided with Casey's positions on the issues, he did pick up some republicans ... i've been told that Casey is a moderate Dem on a wide variety of issues ... anyone has got to be better than Santorum ...

again, the main point is that Democratic voters should decide without the Party trying to pre-determine the outcome of the primary ...
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 10:48 AM
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12. a kick for letting the voters decide
kick ...
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Crowdance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 11:04 AM
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13. K&R n/t
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