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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 03:42 PM
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How many founding fathers are rolling in their graves over BushCo?
Jefferson must be spinning big time, since he was the most revolutionary and anti-tyrant of them all! Washington would be appalled at the idea of King George, since that was Washington's greatest fear when called upon to be our first President. Ben Franklin would be horrified at the total lack of interest in science. And so many others are restless in their graves that I'm amazed we're not feeling an earthquake from it!

If the founding fathers were alive today, how do you think they would react to Bush and his cronies?
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 03:43 PM
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1. Better question: How many are NOT? (nt)
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 04:24 PM
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14. Not Alexander Hamilton. Unless he changed his mind along the way, what
GeeDubya* is doing is a lot like what he proposed at the Contitutional Convention of 1787.

http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution.html

On June 18 Alexander Hamilton presented his own ideal plan of government. Erudite and polished, the speech, nevertheless, failed to win a following. It went too far. Calling the British government "the best in the world," Hamilton proposed a model strikingly similar an executive to serve during good behavior or life with veto power over all laws; a senate with members serving during good behavior; the legislature to have power to pass "all laws whatsoever." Hamilton later wrote to Washington that the people were now willing to accept "something not very remote from that which they have lately quitted." What the people had "lately quitted," of course, was monarchy. Some members of the convention fully expected the country to turn in this direction. Hugh Williamson of North Carolina, a wealthy physician, declared that it was "pretty certain . . . that we should at some time or other have a king." Newspaper accounts appeared in the summer of 1787 alleging that a plot was under way to invite the second son of George III, Frederick, Duke of York, the secular bishop of Osnaburgh in Prussia, to become "king of the United States."
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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 04:30 PM
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15. I can forgive Alexander Hamilton, since at the time democracy was...
...a totally new and untested concept. It's not surprising that folks living in those days would have had a hard time wrapping their brain around the idea. I can't forgive Bush, though, since democracy has worked well for us for over 200 years and Bush wants to destroy it for his own personal gain. Every time Bush talks about spreading "democracy" around the world I wonder if he knows the meaning of the word, since he is so eagerly killing it here at home. No doubt just another long and complicated word Georgie boy is using incorrectly from ignorance. He probably means dictatorships, since that's so much easier.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 03:43 PM
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2. all of them are
I assure you.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 03:44 PM
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3. all of them?
:(
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 03:45 PM
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4. John Adams has a hard-on. nt
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 03:46 PM
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5. If the founding fathers were alive...
they'd storm the White House and return it to its rightful owners...The American People!

peace.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 03:46 PM
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6. Put it this way,
If one is a founding father, one is rolling in one's grave. But what about the founding mothers?
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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 03:52 PM
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9. I imagine Betsy Ross would be thinking about a few things she could...
...do with her needles besides sewing American flags.

Give those old girls credit - they were just as revolutionary and opposed to tyranny as the men.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 06:16 PM
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16. That's what I'm sayin'
:)
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 03:52 PM
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7. Not only the Founding Fathers, but the founders of the GOP
Lincoln is spinning so fast that I bet Springfield could attach a turbine to him and generate electricity!
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 03:56 PM
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11. Even later Republicans
like TR and Ike would be thoroughly disgusted with today's GOP. In fact, former Republican Rep. Pete McCloskey is so disgusted that he's running for Congress again -- at the age of 82.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 03:52 PM
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8. Our founding fathers would be inciting citizens to revolt against
Our BushCo. / Corporate Government. Wait a minute....

Oh, that's right, they would be sent off to Gitmo or shot for terrorist activities against our "freedoms."
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 03:53 PM
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10. Each one would be horrified beyond belief
But, in truth, they would have been mortified starting in years past with all the lobbying.

No question in my mind: If the Founders knew about lobbying, they would have included an amendment to ban it. One of the few oversights made by the Constitutional Convention.
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 03:56 PM
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12. This is exactly the kind of situation the Founding Fathers feared,
Wake up, Citizens!

"It is a blessing... that our people are reasonable; that they are kept so well informed of the state of things as to judge for themselves, to see the true sources of their difficulties, and to maintain their confidence undiminished in the wisdom and integrity of their functionaries." --Thomas Jefferson to Caesar A. Rodney, 1810.

"My hope that we have not labored in vain, and that our experiment will still prove that men can be governed by reason." --Thomas Jefferson to George Mason, 1791.





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GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 04:03 PM
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13. Nixon's probably laughing--he was one sick bastard.
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