anybody watching FogFacts on CSPAN2?

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Great so far... this guy is detailing the facts that we have not been told about Bush, 9/11 and the suspected hijackers...



Fog Facts: Searching for Truth in the Land of Spin
Larry Beinhart

In "Fog Facts" Larry Beinhart argues that America's perception of reality has been distorted. The author explains that while the country should be focusing on the 2000 election, President Bush's war record or the U.S. invasion of Iraq, the media or as he calls it the "Soft Machine" has the world's attention on the happenings of Hollywood. This event was hosted by Coliseum Books in New York City.

Larry Beinhart is the author of "Wag the Dog" and "The Librarian." His work has appeared in The Baltimore Sun, Newsday and the Miami Herald.

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1. just tuned in--thanks

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2. "if B*sh had been president in the 80's we would have shocked and awed

Columbia and secured our cocaine supply like we have secured our heroin supply from Afghanistan" !!!

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3. "The events of 9/11 have been used to remove all restraints on

the use of power"


Ohhh, I'm liking the way this guy thinks!

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5. yes, he is right on thus far.

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7. talking of how Bush 'unsigned' the International Court--then Bush went

around telling all courntries that anyone (US troops, officials, ect) could not be prosecuted in Inter. courts.

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8. says we have 3 classes of people now---hey this nails it good.

normal people--you and me-have to follow the laws.
enemy combantants -beneath the low--killed locked up at will
and 3rd--those above the law (USA government)

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4. says we are not fighting a war on terror--asks where are all the network

of alquidas--the ones who supported bin ladin. Where are these people and why aren't they on trial? he asks.

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6. "this is the first time in history that an american president has unsigned

a treaty that another american president has signed."

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9. Underestimating costs is a pattern with this administration--off budget-or

not being truthful about costs which show up later.

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10. "Busheconomics"--give to the rich---leave the company a mess

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11. says Bush has no problem with leaving the Gov. a mess when he leaves.

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12. talking about B*sh economics now

the only increase in jobs has been in Government, private sector jobs are down.

leaving costs like the war out of the budget.

chronically underestimating costs

the wrecked companys he left bankrupt, yet he always came away with more money.

Texas Rangers
Arbusto

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17. He is really smashing the unethical Bush business approach to gov.

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18. argues that BushCo will leave the gov. a mess--Gawd--he is right on.

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13. "Reality based people find it very hard to argue with

Faith based people. If you ever have, you know what I'm talking about"

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16. just cut the NYT--waited to pub. snoopying story-till author ready to sell

his book

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14. bringing up the NYT not reporting on NSA wiretapping last year

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15. Q & A -this should be interesting...

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19. says the 2000 Fl. election is still a fog.

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20. says Dems have been 'pathetic' (although I missed his point about

what exactly it is they are pathetic at.

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25. Thanks for watching with me my friend....

What did you think?

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26. I will be checking his book out of the library for sure.

I have heard of his books--but have neglected him.
I actually got distracted here at home -too many people in the room chatting so I missed the last part.
I find him interesting at this point--enough to read him.--esp. his comments about our system of 'objective' journalism at its drawbacks/limitations.

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27. I just put him on my Amazon list...

still $15, I'll have to wait till it goes down a bit. I think I'll add "The Librarian" too, he said it's fiction about a presidential election that didn't go right (based on 2000).

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28. Okay, I couldn't resist.. just ordered it and

Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire by Chalmers Johnson
and
We the People: A Call to Take Back America by Thom Hartman

:woohoo:

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21. But he's wrong about the recount consortium

We would have had to have had an overturn of the prevailing ruling to get the overvotes counted ... and it wasn't true that all possible recounts showed Gore won.

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22. Decriminalized long hair?

Huh?

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23. analogy....

He was talking about the progress we have made in 50's - 70's.. equal rights for women and blacks, gays and wearing long hair.

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24. This replays tomorrow morning at 10:15 am

:)