TRUST ME, READ THIS NYT-Bush-BIG DANGEROUS LIAR!

[kpete]

Editorial
Spies, Lies and Wiretaps


Published: January 29, 2006

A bit over a week ago, President Bush and his men promised to provide the legal, constitutional and moral justifications for the sort of warrantless spying on Americans that has been illegal for nearly 30 years. Instead, we got the familiar mix of political spin, clumsy historical misinformation, contemptuous dismissals of civil liberties concerns, cynical attempts to paint dissents as anti-American and pro-terrorist, and a couple of big, dangerous lies.

The first was that the domestic spying program is carefully aimed only at people who are actively working with Al Qaeda, when actually it has violated the rights of countless innocent Americans. And the second was that the Bush team could have prevented the 9/11 attacks if only they had thought of eavesdropping without a warrant.

(this is 2 AMAZING pages - please read)

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/29/opinion/29sun1.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&hp

[dchill]

1. Yup. Amazing...

and more than a little late. One "money" quote:

when Mr. Bush doesn't like the rules, he just changes them, as he has done for the detention and treatment of prisoners and has threatened to do in other areas, like the confirmation of his judicial nominees.

Why all the unvarnished truth, all of a sudden?

[Catamount]

12. Something to do with J.Miller leaving...maybe?

My sense is that they finally realize the danger we're all in now, and it's a way of waking some people up. They also have a lot to make up...after all the crap they've fed us in the last 5 years.

I hope it's not to late!

[dchill]

18. It is my sense, too...

that they now realize the danger we're in, now, from enemies both foreign and Republican. I also sense that Bill Keller senses danger to his freaking job. What a pud.

Whatever the reason, I'm relieved to see it, but still extremely miffed that it took them so long. It may be too late for the general public to see that this arrogant, criminal dunce has no business nominating anyone to anything.

[Tinksrival]

2. I'm reading! I'm reading!

Thanks kpete!

:headbang:

[bpilgrim]

3. Imperial Arrogance

Just trust us. Mr. Bush made himself the judge of the proper balance between national security and Americans' rights, between the law and presidential power. He wants Americans to accept, on faith, that he is doing it right. But even if the United States had a government based on the good character of elected officials rather than law, Mr. Bush would not have earned that kind of trust. The domestic spying program is part of a well-established pattern: when Mr. Bush doesn't like the rules, he just changes them, as he has done for the detention and treatment of prisoners and has threatened to do in other areas, like the confirmation of his judicial nominees. He has consistently shown a lack of regard for privacy, civil liberties and judicial due process in claiming his sweeping powers. The founders of our country created the system of checks and balances to avert just this sort of imperial arrogance.

k&r

peace

[Pirate Smile]

6. I was going to post that exact paragraph also.

It is just dead-on.

[bpilgrim]

28. i am surprised this is a NYT Editorial

looks like some of the elites have decided it is time to rein in king george

peace

[TahitiNut]

16. Yep. That's the real heart of it ... the abysmal hypocrisy.

The history of America ... from King George to C-czar George. :puke:

[bleever]

4. They wanted to emasculate the NYT

and CBS, and the whole goddamn "liberal media".

But the metaphor only goes so far; in this case, "cojones" grow back.

In fact, they've inoculated the NYT against their bullshit. NYT had a bad, bad case of it. It was almost fatal. But NYT survived, and with lifetime immunity. They've generated the same antibodies so many of us have been filled with for many, many long months.

They will be hoist by their own petard; oh yes: they will be hoist.


:)

[AX10]

9. I hope you are right.

The NYT has not been nice to * as of late.

[ancient_nomad]

5. Thanks for posting this...

Am going to go finish reading it.

KnR



:kick:

[American liberal]

7. The best editorial I've read in a long time!

[Sydnie]

8. Now, if they could just get this from the editorial page to

above the fold, we might be waking a few more to the facts.

I want my country back and these guys in an international court!

[publius_jr]

24. not to detract from this good article, but

you raise an intersesting observation. these lies are facts; as long as nyt isolates them to the editorial section they will be biased in the true sense of the word--against the facts

[kpete]

30. Letters to the editor anyone?

[alarcojon]

10. Keep it coming, MSM

There may yet be time to wake up the sleeping masses.

[TahitiNut]

11. I have to wonder how much longer Gail Collins will be Editor.

The Gray Lady isn't inclined to be so plain-spoken as the last two editorials. They're finally saying it like it is, with reserve and absent any hyperbole. I wonder how long that can last.

I also wonder how much Dorothy Samuels contributed to this editorial. It has her fingerprints on it, I think.

[kentuck]

13. Damn! They slapped the shit out of Junior !

About time...

[dchill]

14. Another interesting quote...

...the spying operation is what Mr. Cheney calls a "wartime measure."

Would that Mr. Cheney, or Mr.Bush - or anyone else floating at the top of this misadministration had any idea of what a "wartime measure" might be. Or what might actually define "wartime" - certainly NOT an endless propaganda campaign of misdirection and outright lies.

If you don't like tax cuts for the rich, you're a terrorist!

[Catamount]

15. Very interesting, thanks kpete!

:hi:

[Gloria]

17. AS I posted on a dup thread....Fence sitters on this Alito filibuster

should read this VERY CAREFULLY....

[dchill]

19. Very carefully, indeed!

The Alito nomination is the same as the Miers nomination and the nomination of 'Fredo Gonzales as Attorney General. They all must have studied Unconstitutional Law under Scalia. They're ready to provide the (extra-)legal foundations for any High Crimes that the Imperial Codpiece decides to commit.

[dweller]

20. excellent to print, email, post

send this to your friends, parents, kids, post a few in the office or bulletin boards (it shrinks to fit 2 pages easily).

This is a well written quickly understandable essay with just enough to grab the attention, and make one wonder... :wtf:

K&R

dp

[fooj]

21. AMAZING is right! Holy crap!

Didn't leave many stones unturned!

Peace.

[necso]

22. Second very strong editorial

in just a few days.

Good work, whoever is doing it.

[DeepModem Mom]

23. I'm sorry -- tears are welling in my eyes as I read this.

I want to see this on the printed page. I printed it out, and it took three sheets of paper -- it lays it all out. I can't believe the Times has taken this step, and fired this piece straight at the cabal.

[MN ChimpH8R]

25. Finally, a major media outlet

tells the simple truth: The Chimp is a truthless freak and a ruthlessly pathological liar. About time, but this was a great piece. Too bad it didn't run about 15 months ago. Chimpco was just as crooked then as it is now.

[slaveplanet]

26. This editorial still falls short

the Fact is , that War has not been declared, and they need to spell it out.

the Iraq invasion is just another police action like Korea, VietNAM, Grenada, Panama , IRAQ 1, Somalia, Bosnia and countless covert actions against leftists usually in the guise of drug enforcement or some other thinly veiled excuse.

In fact they had to change the legal definition to GSAVE(Global Struggle Against Violent Extremists) from GWOT, Just to avoid the use of the word WAR they(still) so freely throw around.

War changes everything. Mr. Bush says Congress gave him the authority to do anything he wanted when it authorized the invasion of Afghanistan. There is simply nothing in the record to support this ridiculous argument.

The administration also says that the vote was the start of a war against terrorism and that the spying operation is what Mr. Cheney calls a "wartime measure." That just doesn't hold up. The Constitution does suggest expanded presidential powers in a time of war. But the men who wrote it had in mind wars with a beginning and an end. The war Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney keep trying to sell to Americans goes on forever and excuses everything.

[norml]

27. Great stuff, thanks for posting it.

I'll have to read it on my show.

[annabanana]

29. The NEXT big leap.... GET IN ON THE TV!!

The reading public is being alerted to the danger of this dictatorial regime.. It will become a National Reality when it hits the airways...

(It's always struck me as odd, the way Blivet refers to things being "on their tv screens"...)

[LynnTheDem]

31. bush; POLITICIZING 911 as always.

911; best thing that ever happened for bush.

"We keep hoping that Mr. Bush will finally lay down the bloody banner of 9/11..."

Good luck.

[Hubert Flottz]

32. Sweet!

A National Recall Election would be the way to repair the wound. Impeach the partisan SCOTUS Jackals who selected a president, contrary to the will of the people in the first place, would be the next sane step. Scale back the power the White House has forever, so that these things will not ever happen again. We need to start making our lists of things we REALLY need to do, to take back our country from the radical corporate fascists and the PNAC.

People like Rush, Ann, Wolf, Patrick, Bob, Sean, Bill, Tucker, Tweety, Pat, Jerry and Timmy, need to do some quality time in the slammer with the hammer, to think over their part in this strong arm neocorporate/fascist takeover of America, that we the people have been suffering through.

We could even fix the broken national treasury/Bush's pal's payola piggy bank, if we went back and made the people who got the tax cuts pay their back taxes since 2001, like we normal, hard working, patriotic, American citizens have been paying our fair share, during Bush/Cheney's WAR on Terra.

DU is becoming less and less of what the corporate MSM have been calling "Leftist Fringe Group" of people, every day, it seems to me. The mainstream really is starting to wake up. I don't think it's too late to save our democratic old union, but it will not be easy. Nothing really worthwhile, EVER, is easy. Always taking the easy way out, is why America is in such sad shape today, with a great deal of help from the corporate Mafia/GOP, IMHO.

[suziedemocrat]

33. "Like Mr. Nixon, Mr. Bush is waging an unpopular war.."

"..Mr. Gonzales's timeline conveniently ended with F.D.R., rather than including Richard Nixon, whose surveillance of antiwar groups and other political opponents inspired FISA in the first place. Like Mr. Nixon, Mr. Bush is waging an unpopular war, and his administration has abused its powers against antiwar groups and even those that are just anti-Republican."

This gives me hope that Bush will have an end similar to Nixon!!!!

[mwb970]

34. Many have said he will never make it through his second term.

This almost makes me believe it.

[mom cat]

35. SLAM DUNK! ... and this won't hurt with the Alito defeat either!

:bounce:

[mzmolly]

36. Great find once again KPete.

:yourock: