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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:50 PM
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Is something big about to blow on Bush/Abramoff?
Why are Puggies like Thune & Hagel alluva sudden calling for Bush to come clean on Abramoff contacts? I submit two simple facts:

1) Bushco has been hiding stuff (Cheney energy meetings, buried Presidential & Governor papers, etc.) since the day they took office, and it didn't bother the Puggies.

2) All of a sudden at least a few Puggies are calling for the WH to come clean on Abramoff visits.

I draw 2 possible conclusions from these simple facts.

Either A: (rather unlikely) They know Bushco can make at least a good show of having a clean slate on Abramoff

or B: Something unstoppable & unmaskable is coming down the pike & they want to get ahead of it. Like maybe something is about to emerge from the DeLay or Ney cases that will result in public outcries for a special prosecutor & that will in turn blow the lid off the Bushco Abramoff coverup.

Personally I find it very unlikely just on the face of it that there are no unholy Abramoff/Bush links. They've both been playing in the same GOP slime pond too long. And there has to be a longstanding Rove-Jackoff connection through the Young Puggies. That's without even considering that Transition Team stuff & the Jack the Pioneer.

What say you all?
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Stevendsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:52 PM
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1. I love option B. (n/t)
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:54 PM
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2. Option B definitely
I'm looking forward to seeing the Bush Abramoff photos on Democratic ads this fall.

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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:55 PM
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3. Wouldn't it be great if it blew up Tuesday afternoon.
Something huge and too late for the chimp's speech writers to get a handle on.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:57 PM
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4. I love option B too, but I suspect these 2 are just trying to
distance themselves from the Shrub. His #'s are bad, the scandals are bad, and at least Hagel always seemed to be to be pretty moderate.
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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:02 PM
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9. And his presidential ambitions are clear...
so distancing himself from the spreading stink is of the essence. SG
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:58 PM
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5. We need to start a new department of special prosecutors just to
keep tabs on Bushco's under the table bidness dealings and dirty tricks. It would soon be bigger than the new department of homeland insecurity.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 01:59 PM
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6. As long as they are casting the light on blivet**, they can stay
in the shadows. They know he won't give anything up. They can rant all they want and nothing will ever come of it. It's a smart move politically, at least to deter investigations for a while where they are concerned.

Then, they can have a reform bill all ready to be signed and it's back to "nothing to see here , move along" again.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:07 PM
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11. Oh that dam breaking?
Edited on Sun Jan-29-06 02:12 PM by Botany


bush has twice removed a prosecutor looking into Abramoff ..... and yet he does not know
him (Abramoff)? Please. BTW click on the link from the Texas paper ..... it shows the check
that the tribe gave Abramoff before the leader of that tribe got to meet with bush.


I copied this from another DU post.

From the LA Times, Aug 8, 2005 via Bellaciao:
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7466

WASHINGTON — A US grand jury in Guam opened an investigation of controversial lobbyist Jack Abramoff more than two years ago, but President Bush removed the supervising federal prosecutor, and the probe ended soon after.

SF Chronicle, Jan 27, 2006:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/200...

The investigation into Jack Abramoff, the disgraced Republican lobbyist, took a provocative new turn Thursday when the Justice Department said the chief prosecutor in the inquiry would step down next week because he had been nominated to a federal judgeship by President Bush.

How can Bush remove Abramoff’s prosecutor twice and get away with it?

I’m utterly speechless. Do I need to explain this… ? I mean, why isn’t this a major scandal that every politician and news network isn’t breaking. This is 24/7 headline news… but the corporate media buries it, while calling bloggers ‘irresponsible’.

What could be worse… how bout this? Bush says he doesn’t really know Abramoff, but in May 2001, Abramoff charged his clients, the Coushatta Tribe, $25,000 to have lunch with Bush, The Texas Observer even has a copy of the check.
http://www.texasobserver.org/showArticle_new.asp?Articl...
http://benfrank.net/blog /

p.s. did I ever tell you that you are my FAV EDV?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:00 PM
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7. How 'bout the fact that the prosecutor has been removed twice
in the Abramoff corruption scandal, by *co? Perhaps someone is finally going to draw attention to the illegalities involved.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2407084
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:01 PM
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8. I've got a feeling something is up
Edited on Sun Jan-29-06 02:01 PM by DoYouEverWonder
Bush showed up at church this morning holding his mommy's hand. I think he knows something is about to break and he's scared shitless.




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PBass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:07 PM
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12. Oh, Dumbya probably just has the jitters about his big address on Tuesday
Edited on Sun Jan-29-06 02:10 PM by PBass
He's probably spent the past week practicing his "sincere" face, and worked on toning down his smirk.

Bush has no remorse about lying about WMD (or anything else) so I doubt he has any remorse about being connected to Abramoff, except in a "hope I don't get caught" kind of way.

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Indykatie Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:22 PM
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18. Republicans Press Bush to Release Abramoff Pics
and information on meetings is a priceless headline. The headline has already been picked up by various papers across the country (see google list of articles)and will get more attention than the previous media notion that only Dems were pushing for the release.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:11 PM
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13. Doesn't that man have a suit where the pants and the jacket MATCH?
For goodness sake. This is the worst dressed administration in history. Even Pat Nixon and Betty Ford knew the benefit of not showing up in public in their "just slipped this on after waking up with a hangover because I threw up on my good pants last night" clothes.

ACK! Someone please dress this man so he doesn't embarass us all anymore. And do a fly check for goodness sakes!
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:04 PM
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10. Option B: Could it be Safavian?
Safavian is the Bush Administration official who was indicted.

Is he cooperating?

That could be a big problem.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:11 PM
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14. The same Safavian who used to work for Jack Abramoff ......
.... and yet bush still claims he does not know Abramoff?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:12 PM
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15. Yeah, it could be--if there were any prosecution left.
That's why I'm speculating that the bombshell will come out of left field-the DeLay or Ney cases or some other relatively surprising place.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:13 PM
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16. They realize they must submit to elections still, while * does not.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:14 PM
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17. Whatever it is, let it come out Tuesday night..
so the Wednesday news cycle will be all about **it** and not his SOTU "terror, terror, terror, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11" bullshit.

Is there a pool yet on how many time we will hear those words??
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:52 PM
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21. Or how soon they come out?
I'm betting within the first paragraph or minute whichever comes first.
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:41 PM
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19. You mean like Gannon?
:evilgrin:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:49 PM
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20. ROFL
Never saw that one coming. :rofl:
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:57 PM
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22. Hagel's Playing The Long Game...
He's been hedging bets on the GOOP side for a while now...becoming the "maverick" that McCain once held. He's never been a party insider and has been seeing the corruption, scandals and ineptitude of his party's "movers and shakers" for a while. He's sitting in the weeds as one who thinks he can pick up the pieces after the shit hits the fan.

Hagel appeals to the moderates and fiscal conservatives and is marking his time as those two factions have been snowed over by the fundies and neo-cons, but once that balance shifts...and it could be soon...Hagel comes out clean and ready to swoop up the pieces.

Thune appears to still be pissed by almost being hung out to dry by Frist and DeLay in the lastest BRAC closing...he all but had to beg Tom Daschele to help him in keeping his base from closing and his bacon out of the sling. Listening to guy, I don't think he feels that comfortable with the good-old boy network that he has to pay piper too. It'd be interesting to put a new war resolution into both the House and Senate and force these people to go on record about their feelings...we might be surprised.

Cheers...
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 11:20 PM
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23. The Enron trial starts tomorrow. Might something about Abramoff's
Edited on Sun Jan-29-06 11:21 PM by Independent_Liberal
connection to Lay be revealed?
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 11:32 PM
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25. That was my first thought, too.
Lots of canaries singing tunes these days and Bu$hCo has been so very secretive about those energy meetings.

Oh but wait, Bu$h doesn't know either Lay Or J-Off, so nevermind. }(
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 11:23 PM
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24. I hope so. A couple hours or so before the State of the Union address
would be a good time, too.

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