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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:43 AM
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Exxon--"Largest profit ever in the history of the world"
Edited on Mon Jan-30-06 08:44 AM by Atman
Over $10bil for the last three months. Just announced on CNN. But the high prices aren't profiteering. Nope. No way. Honest.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:46 AM
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1. What is profiteering?
Or what does the phrase mean?

Making too much profit?

Or making profit in disreputable ways?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:51 AM
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3. Definition
Main Entry: prof·i·teer
Pronunciation: "prä-f&-'tir
Function: noun
: one who makes what is considered an unreasonable profit especially on the sale of essential goods during times of emergency
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:57 AM
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7. This Is The Prime Example
No sacrifice in time of "war" for these folks, is there?
The Professor
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 10:15 AM
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16. Yes and Exxon has also underfunded their employees' pension plan
to the tune of $11.5 billion.
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P119362.asp

They don't even meet their obligation to employees, let alone practice good corporate citizenship.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 09:01 AM
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9. In this case, perhaps a combination of both
Edited on Mon Jan-30-06 09:02 AM by Atman
Katrina and the war have been trotted out as reasons for such ridiculously high gas prices at the pump. Yet, apparently the oil companies were still able to mark up the price of their product to literally historic levels. Not to cover costs or make up for shortfalls, as it is clear that we've experienced no shortage of product. Hey, I waited in six-block long gas lines in the seventies; then, could only buy gas on alternate days, depending upon license plate number, and then was limited to 8 gallons. Now, there is obviously tons of oil available (please note: subtle semi-sarcasm in use), and all we have to do is pay for it. It works for diamonds...very plentiful, cheaply mined under horrendous slave-labor conditions, yet exhorbitantly priced based upon a manufactured sense of rarity.

You make a good point (I think you're making this point!), about "what is too much," inasmuch as that Exxon is merely charging what the free market will bear. But this is not any ordinary free market comodity. Oil is unique in its strategic value, and he who controls it controls our very economy to a large degree. So, is Exxon merely exercising its capitalistic right to make as much money as possible? I believe no. I believe Exxon's profits are well above and beyond what is necessary for the company to return a respectable -- even fantastic -- return for the investors. THAT is what a company is about. But Exxon's is draining massive amounts of cash from the economy and keeping it. There is no indication anyone but the investors and the corporations themselves are benefiting. Fine, again, I suppose, as a corporation has no obligation to be a good citizen, its only chartered obligation is to make profits for the shareholders.

But again, this is so much deeper than that. Exxon's "profiteering," largely generated through tax give-aways from BushCo, is keeping money out of other aspects of the economy, and thus they are doing harm. Not just "making a healthy profit," but profiteering. Using a bad situation -- fear and panic and natural disasters -- to jack up prices. The numbers speak for themselves...the largest profit ever recorded in the history of the world.
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kahleefornia Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 09:17 AM
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11. not only unique in strategic value
when the government is so involved in a product - such as sending our military to protect access to the product - we are in effect subsidizing it with tax dollars. So it rubs people the wrong way when the company just goes crazy raking in profit, at the expense of those who have already paid dearly for it. You pay for gas, even when you don't buy any of it!

Good post - i find it hard to explain this clearly - but you did an excellent job of it.
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wtbymark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:50 AM
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2. corperate deregulation/ global corperate dominance
I feel like sending my heat bill to cheney's office and saying "you fucking pay it"
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:53 AM
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4. And tell me again why Exxon has NOT
been able to pay for the Alaska spill :grr: :grr: :grr:
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Sven77 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:55 AM
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5. monopoly is good for the consumer
the more countries we take over, the more oil production is taken offline. the higher the profits.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:57 AM
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6. aka Greatest money grab ever in the history of the world......
endorsed and supported by your friends in the WH. Next time bushco tells you how much he wants to 'protect' the American people from 'terrorists', don't forget it is politicians that allow this financial terrorism to be committed by greedy, corrupt corporations.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:58 AM
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8. Didn't they recently ask for a reduction of the Valdez settlement?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 09:30 AM
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13. yes, they did
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 09:01 AM
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10. Isn't this exactly the sort of thing that the magical "Free Market"
is supposed to prevent and correct?
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 09:18 AM
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12. Where is the pitch forks I ask
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 09:40 AM
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14. What was the previous record?
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 10:05 AM
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15. Exxon-Mobile, previous quarter, over $8 bil
That's billion, with a b. Hoo-boy.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 10:25 AM
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17. What was the previous non-oil related profit record?
Just trying to get a sense of scale.
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:01 PM
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18. In the 60s America hosted hundreds of oil companies.
Gas was $.35 per gal.

Now there are 5 large oil companies.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:19 PM
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19. Does this mean we can expect $3.00 at the pumps this summer??
$2.44 in Ft. Myers Florida now!
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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:27 PM
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22. Mmmmm, that'd be a good bet
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:23 PM
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20. It's not the people's money. It's the oil companies' money. n/t
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:25 PM
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21. supply and demand
The increase in price due to supply falling short of demand, can out-pace the increase in price due to higher extraction and refinery cost.

We can have peakoil and price gouging at the same time.
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SeattleRob Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:38 PM
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23. it's good old fashioned price gouging
It just goes to show that Dubya and Uncle Dick are being kind to their buddies - letting them price gouge the hell out of of.

This should be a campaign issues for the Dems. I know in Washington State, Maria Cantwell is using it. I wish there would be a national voice against this theft.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:42 PM
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24. Gawd, I am SO sick of this crap!
Meanwhile the rest of us are scrambling for a few bucks to put in the gas tank just to get to work! :grr:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:44 PM
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25. Price Gouging????? Nawwww
I'm sure that Exxon CEO and folks are suffering right along with the 'common folk' :sarcasm:
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