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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:35 AM
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Who is our Dem savior? Who will start standing up for us and ride...
...to our rescue against the BushCo Revulsion? Who believes deeply enough in Dem principles and is disgusted enough with Bush to take a stand and start FIGHTING for us, for what we believe in, for our nation? Who is our Dem hero?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:38 AM
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1. Howard Dean
I, personally, will talk him into running as an independent in '08. ;-)
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:39 AM
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2. Hmmm...Good question...Joe Lieberman? Robert Byrd?
...Oh, I know! Byron Dorgan!
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:42 AM
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3. NO MORE DINO's -anybody but...
ABBD

Get the infestation out of our fucking party.

I gave to Dean, but I'm thinking Conyers, Kucinich. I don't give a flying fuck if one Republican party or the other Republican party wins.

NO MORE DINO's

I hope they burn for their betrayal of democracy. And their media too Toto!
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:50 AM
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4. The corporate machinery won't let us have one
Good example:

My elderly Repub non-wingnut parents watched Al Gore's speech on CSPAN. They're asking, "is this Al Gore going to run for President? He's what this country needs."

They HATE Bush with a passion (Iraq, Medicare, economy), and they don't give a shit that Gore ran as a Democrat.

That's how bad things have gotten.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:55 AM
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5. That would be you.
Have at it.

And me.

And whoever else is reading this.

We are the hero.

Go get em.
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Lone_Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:49 AM
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22. Bingo
"We must become the change we want to see in the world."

-Mohandas Gandhi
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:57 AM
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25. Whoever exposes GOPcontrol of media & voting machines - that could be us
if we wanted to to take the tasks on seriously.

Broadcast media is the biggest obstacle that democracy has now.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:57 AM
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6. The American People
Edited on Tue Jan-31-06 02:58 AM by incapsulated
Without their votes, it's pretty much empty rhetoric. We get the government we deserve.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:09 AM
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7. We are our own saviors! As long as we keep our eye on the prize
and don't exhaust and frustrate ourselves in the process.

To give me hope and a calming vision, I support Wes Clark. He ain't my savior, but he sure knows how to kick a little ass, and he certainly has been fighting and taking a stand.

If you didn't see his speech on C-Span this evening, you missed a great patriot who could, we our participation, make America what it ought to be and what it has always boasted of being.

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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:11 AM
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8. Al Gore, Wes Clark, John Conyers, Barbara Boxer
Gore because he is our rightful president, Clark because he has no political baggage and is articulate and smart as hell, John Conyers because he has fought the good fight for so long and is only getting more righteously outraged as time goes on, and Boxer for the same reasons.

There are many others, as easy as it is to criticize the Democratic party (but really, I think our true leaders have done a hell of a job considering we're in the minority in every branch of government), but these four carry a lot of my hopes.
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:12 AM
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9. Dennis Kucinich
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:08 AM
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10. I agree with all your choices. I love them all!
Edited on Tue Jan-31-06 08:09 AM by MoJoWorkin
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:34 AM
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15. I like all of those because they are fearless.
Besides being progressives, Clark and Gore have better national security credentials than most Republicans, and were anti-war at the same time.

Dean is already doing tons of good at the grassroots level.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:31 AM
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11. Whoever it is will be crucified. That's what happens to Messiahs.
Sorry, I still have a bitter taste in my mouth from drinking filibuster koolaid.

That's not a knock on the brave politicians who voted to defend the constitution and certainly not a knock on the patriots who urged them to do so.

I blame myself for thinking that once, just once, the Democrats would not disappoint. Silly me.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:40 AM
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13. "filibuster koolaid" *sigh*
That's exactly what is was. :( I will never again have hope that the Dem Party will stand up and fight for what's right. The party is DEAD.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:35 AM
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12. Actually we need to get the greens back in the fold.
That's whats hurting the democratic party really bad. I am not knocking them mind you it's just that we need to have a united left in this country.
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Marleyb Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:32 AM
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14. I think we are all going to need to be heroes....
but these two are a good start...

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jn2375 Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:37 AM
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16. someone who is not currently an elected rep
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:43 AM
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17. Wes Clark
Edited on Tue Jan-31-06 10:45 AM by Totally Committed
THE REAL STATE OF THE UNION 2006
THE NEW AMERICA FOUNDATION
Monday, January 30, 2006

General Wesley K. Clark Addresses New America Foundation Audience (1/30/06) on Capitol Hill: "The Real State of the Union 2006"

Excerpts:

Today, billions of people abroad believe that America's beacon is fading, our star is dimming, and that America's time is passing. Why?

Because four years after 9/11, Osama Bin Laden remains on the loose in the fastness of western Pakistan, and Al Qaeda remains a potent force among millions of Muslims.

Because the threat of terrorism has actually increased, partly as a result of the unnecessary invasion of Iraq, where after almost three years, we find ourselves enmeshed in an intensifying sectarian struggle that is drawing in jihadi terrorists like a magnet and creating a new cadre of hardened opponents to America and our friends.

Because, despite our tough talk, Iran is discarding its international obligations in the apparent pursuit of nuclear weaponry, while simultaneously questioning Israel's existence and raising the specter of wider conflict in the Mideast.

Because, North Korea, with a standing army of more than 1 million men, armed with chemical and biological weapons as well as long-range missiles, is defying US efforts to contain its threat of nuclear proliferation.

Because, in the process of this struggle against insurgents and terrorists and the proliferation of nuclear weapons, we are in danger of losing the very principles we are fighting for as revelations of torture and degrading treatment of those detained confound our long standing commitment to human rights and undercut our moral strength and leadership.

Because America's long-standing commitment to assisting democracy abroad was recklessly transformed into hot rhetoric and direct action in Iraq— and it has not only offended cultural and national sensitivities in the Middle East, but it is also contributing to the anger and violence in the region.

Because while we are distracted by the war on terror, Iraq and Afghanistan, rising global competitors like China are taking advantage of the security umbrella we have created to lock in their own access to the resources needed to fuel their stupendous growth.

Because the United States has stood silently while the historic opportunity of a democratic Russia is systematically crushed and other new democracies threatened by the same power ministries and entrenched authorities that enslaved hundreds of millions during Communism's long reign.

Because our oldest friends and Allies, in Europe and Asia, are questioning America's commitment to the dialogue, institutions, and principles that kept us safe throughout the Cold War and even helped end ethnic cleansing in Europe during the 1990's.

The plain truth is, in America's rhetoric and conduct since 9/11, we've made more enemies than friends in the world - and that's no way to protect the American people!

>snip

And here at home, to speak candidly, that beacon of hope is flickering also.

Again we ask why.

Because we're losing our manufacturing base in America, and failing to face the realities of a global labor market, international trade and capital flows which are robbing millions of Americans of income security and have mired us ever deeper in debt.

Because, while, statistically, the unemployment rate may be a little below 5% now, according to the way the Administration measures, these figures mask millions of people in the ranks of the long term unemployed, or trapped in low wage jobs, or underemployed in jobs which fail to use their skills.

Because even highly skilled jobs in the so-called knowledge industry are moving abroad, with big firms like Microsoft and GE as well as thousands of highly competent foreign-born, US educated entrepreneurs and business leaders seeking new talent, lower-cost labor and less competitive, friendlier business environments.

Because at home more than 45 million Americans lack access to health insurance, a profound systemic failure and imposes a staggering human cost on those least able to bear it and drives businesses offshore.

Because both our infrastructure and our system of public education lack essential modernization and reform, caught in a squeeze between rising costs for salaries, supplies, construction and repair, and rising federal deficits.

Because despite over thirty years of warning, this nation still has no policy to lead us to energy independence and away from the volatile and conflict-ridden regions where, today, the "geostrategic risk premium" is adding billions of dollars to the costs imposed on the American people.

Because the legal protections for the environment and natural resources on which so much of our economic welfare depends have been steadily undercut by new laws and policies, even as the Administration has tightened restrictions on the scientists and analysts who could tell us of the dangers ahead.

All this is common knowledge.

But what perhaps most surprising this year — despite the skill and dedication of our civil service, diplomatic, and military personnel - was the tragic incompetence of our government: failing effectively to assist the states in the terrible humanitarian catastrophe of Katrina, stumbling through a repetitive cycle of inflated rhetoric and crushing disappointments associated with reconstruction and reform in Iraq and the Middle East, and frustrating millions of American seniors floundering through a poorly designed and badly under resourced Medicare prescription drug program.

Even worse, has been the emergence of what appears to be a culture of corruption reaching from lobbyists, through the Republican leadership in Congress, and into the White House itself.

No wonder so many believes that America is a nation in trouble, squandering our precious resources in a destructive and unnecessary conflict abroad and a spendthrift economy at home. We are, they say, neglecting our future, failing in our duty to our children and grandchildren, and denying them the opportunities to dare, to dream, to achieve and create that our generation and our predecessors have enjoyed.

And they have a strong case.

What has happend to us?

>snip

Over a period of forty years we persevered — through diplomacy, alliances, ideological struggle, and armed conflict in Korea and Vietnam. And in the end, we won — the Berlin Wall came down, the Soviet empire collapsed, and the Soviet Union disintegrated into 11 separate states.

It was the triumph of American ideals — of the nobility of the human spirit, the priceless significance of freedom and human rights, and the incredible creative force of a free-market economy.

But when we defeated our old adversary, we not only lost our opponent, we also lost our strategy — our organizing principles — the animating principles of our society, and much of the cohesion that held our world together.

Oh, we did well economically in the 1990's, creating jobs, reducing poverty, balancing the budget - but the United States never quite put in place another strategy, another publicly understood, bipartisan set of principles which could guide America's policies at home and abroad, and take us safely into the future. We had taken economic advantage of the global opening, but we really didn't understand how to mitigate the many strategic risks it brought along.

And then, four and a half years ago this nation was viciously attacked in a serious of terrorist hijackings of airliners that resulted in three thousand innocents' deaths. 9/11 was an act of war.

Action was required. America struck back at the terrorists who attacked us and the Taliban government in Afghanistan that supported them.

And we should have.

But, soon the errors began:

**** Letting Bin Laden slip thru the noose at Tora Bora, in December, 2001 and failing to commit sufficient forces to Afghanistan to finish the job there gave the terrorist movement continuing stature and enabled a host of local imitators to ride his coattails of impunity.

**** Naming an "Axis of Evil" helped drive the North Koreans and Iranians to accelerate nuclear weapons efforts and probably spurred a deepening cooperation, even as the term itself offended allies and convinced millions around the world that a just American effort against those who attacked our country was being transformed into a self-righteous moral crusade against those of different religious convictions or geostrategic alignment.

**** Invading Iraq, neglecting North Korea, and ducking the diplomacy on Iran — and labeling it all with a bellicose-sounding strategy of preemption left us concentrating the greatest resources on the least urgent strategic problem and doing so in a way that has exaccerbated the threats we face.
Ignoring our European allies and sidelining NATO left us bereft of the strong Allied support necessary to succeed in Iraq and simultaneously meet challenges elsewhere.

**** Pushing through a series of deep permanent tax cuts using the pretext of a temporary recession have prevented us from addressing urgent issues at home and shoved the nation into long term and unsustainable budget deficit.

**** And in the press of partisan politics, the governing party has elevated the role of money in American politics higher than ever before, encouraging a "pay to play" culture of corruption and aiming to control the political agenda with a ferocity almost unprecedented in American history, undercutting the common good and threatening the very Constitutional principles which guard our most precious freedoms.

What's gone wrong? In the last five years we have seen leadership without vision or foresight, a backwards look to tough talk and excessive unfair tax cuts, and a misguided idea from the 1990's that uncooperative Middle East regimes could be "cleaned up" by American military action.

And at the same time we've seen such partisanship that many believe that this Administration lacks the basic decency to respect its political opponents, and the fundamental integrity to adhere to common standards of transparency, honesty, and ethics in government.

Enough is enough!
Read the whole Speech. I promise you, it is amazing! It's long, but it gets better and better as it goes on.:

http://securingamerica.com/node/560

Wes is a courageous truth-teller. A "Dem Savior"?... I dunno. But, he is the ONLY person I want to see leading this country at the moment. This speech will tell you a lot about WHY I feel that way. I hope you'll all read it.

Thanks,

TC
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:50 AM
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18. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.-- Wesley Clark-- and Howard Dean
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:58 AM
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19. Gore - - he's been right on every position he's taken these 5 years
(And right a large percentage of the time before that.)

His positive ratings with Dems of all stripes is close to 80%. Jennifer Palmieri (a former Clinton aide) was quoted in the Telegraph a couple days ago saying both the donor community and the grassroots are very high on Gore now.

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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:11 AM
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20.  are no leaders - we have o be our own leaders


america is dead
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:47 AM
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21. Wesley Clark
I watched him on C-Span yesterday, and all He did was re-enforce my opinion that he is a national treasure.

Sinistrous
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:52 AM
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23. don't follow leaders watch the parking meters
there is no messiah, there never was, there never will be
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:57 AM
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24. Us. And let's not forget Sens. Kerry & Kennedy
What they did yesterday was magnificent.
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