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LEW Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:50 AM
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George Galloway from Britan total slap down on CNN
Edited on Tue Jan-31-06 09:52 AM by LEW
Miles was interviewing him about his appearance on a big brother program in Britan where he stayed in a house for days doing stupid things to raise money for a palistian group. It was beautiful to watch him totally slap down Miles and CNN to check their facts before they make statements they know nothing about.

They were asking him about the terrorist ties the group he supported has, and Galloway says if you said that in Britan it would be very inflammatory, that this is a reputable charity and that Shrub and his administration are the only ones propagating the rumor that they have terrorist ties. There was more it was great!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
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WilmywoodNCparalegal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:51 AM
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1. Sorry, but I do not like this guy
I like some of the things that he has to say, but my gut tells me he's a crook. JMHO, no flames please.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:53 AM
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2. He is one of the few pols with the backbone to say, in a very public
forum, that the Iraq invasion was illegal and based on "a pack of lies."
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LEW Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:55 AM
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6. I agree, I couldn't remember
everything he said but was very aggressive about the lies about the Iraq war and what a major mistake going into Iran would be. It was very refreshing to watch.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:57 AM
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7. big deal
90% of the European deputies are saying the same thing (which they don't because everybody agrees). Very few are invited to do it in a public hearing in the US.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:58 AM
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9. Point taken. Maybe thats why the congress didn't invite more europeans.
:)
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:20 AM
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20. well normally you don't (criticize) as a guest
even on a talk show. It belongs to normal good manners in international exchanges. You can say that you disagree with those or those policies or that you have a different opinion but you don't go into polemics. Mostly you calmly give your opinion if asked.

Galloway's case was different : he was accused of perjury in a tria-like situation and defended himself. There is no shadow over that and a lot of things that he said were of course true. But that doesn't make him a hero, specially if you check his whole background.

I think that Americans are not used to the fiery debates our parliaments, British, French etc use to have. That's why galoway made such an impression. But it stays there.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:26 AM
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if people over here are setting him up
he is also being set up in his own country. He has to stand up for the truth.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:26 AM
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23. if people over here are setting him up
he is also being set up in his own country. He has to stand up for the truth.
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:30 PM
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74. No one is setting George Galloway up in the UK.
He's perfectly capable of doing that all by himself.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:54 AM
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3. agrees
even if he is probably not a crook, he is a simple populist (in the European sense = demagogue).
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:23 AM
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22. I can say that he isn't a crook
the only thing he does is uncover the truth and expose people for what they really are. The neocons are after him. Having spent a lot of time in UK politics....
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:26 AM
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24. He's been vindicated in court a couple of times. You offer no facts
and then you say don't flame you?? Sheesh.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:44 AM
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43. You're "gut" tells you he's a crook?
So you don't have to read or do any research or anything. All the answers are contained within your "gut".

So what exactly does your all-knowing "gut" say about George Galloway?
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:29 PM
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92. But that's the beauty of "truthiness..."
...that good old "feels right" brand of information. When facts don't matter, fascists win.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:21 PM
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90. Norm Coleman does too, and George Galloway proved him wrong.
Many others have said the same thing and George took their money when they went to court.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:55 AM
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4. Galloway made a fucking fool of himself on that show.
And it was made clear exactly what an egotistical, tyrannical, pompous ass he actually is. If I lived in Bethnal Green I'd be ashamed to have that douche as my MP.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:03 AM
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11. So
I don't know why being in farcical show, doing self-deprecating humor is detrimental to his serious side. Reminds me of when children are told about sex and declare "they know their parents never did that!"
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PaulaFarrell Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:40 AM
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40. It wasn't the farce or the humour
It was the attacking other people and threatening to 'make them pay' after the show was finished. He really was an asshole, take it from me.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:50 AM
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46. threatening to 'make them pay'
I know. It was completely uncalled for and borderline psychotic, yet people here continue to defend him. It's quite sad, really.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:23 PM
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81. So his prior points
Were wrong? He pointed out the fraud of the war...so now because he went a little crazy the war wasn't wrong?

(I can't think of one instance on DU hasn't related to a personality only to drop them under a brutal attack. Build them up and tear them down. Jesus H. Christ this gets old. Clinton had a bj in the Oval office -- INSANITY! Chavez is starting to get that crazy, too. Cindy Sheehan is going nuts. Maybe the only people bold enough to stand up to the Bush have to be extraordinary {borderline personalites...on the side of good}. I watched Galloway's smack down of Hitchens and that was all I need to know of the man. Looking for Saints, Angels and to be a disciple of perfection in human behavior in order to follow is a waste of time.)
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 06:21 PM
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84. Nobody said the war was a good thing,
and why does everyone think that George Galloway is the only antiwar MP? Oh, wait, it's because he's the one running around picking up huge speaking fees in the United States instead of being back home in his constituency doing his bloody job.

>I watched Galloway's smack down of Hitchens and that was all I need to know of the man.

Well, then, no effing wonder Democrats can't get elected any more than they do if George Galloway is your gold standard.
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Tom Bombadil Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:50 PM
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86. George Galloway
is and was the most vociferous anti-war MP. He was shouting from the rooftops and for that alone, despite his hypocracy and nastiness in other matters, he earned my respect.


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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #40
65. Yeah, that was pretty unsettling
and creepy, wasn't it? It's one of the few instances I happened to watch Celebrity Big Brother this year (or any year!) and it completely put me off the rest of the series. Like Chris Moyles said on Radio 1, if GG went into the BB house to try to broaden his appeal to young voters, then why was he so vicious and patronising to the younger people in the house?
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Tom Bombadil Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:57 PM
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87. I don't think he went in there
to broaden his appeal with young voters. He isn't even standing for re-election next time round!

I think his aim was to get more young people engaged in politics in general, it had nothing to do with personal gain.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:39 AM
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60. A farcical show?
LOL....I have NEVER heard reality TV that is geared around demeaning its contestants described in such a lofty manner.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:21 PM
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64. Actually, I'd suggest that Big Brother...
...is geared around allowing its contestants to demean themselves to whatever level they're comfortable with.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:26 PM
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73. You're bad....
I still can't get over someone describing ANY reality show in that manner.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:28 AM
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25. what rubbish!
but you are entitled to your opinion. Obvously you don't know him?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:49 AM
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45. How exactly was it rubbish?
His idiotic, unwarranted attacks on the other people in the house showed his true character to be that of a petulant little tyrant, much like Bush, I'm afraid.

Oh, and speaking of which, if he planned to use the program as a platform to reach "young people" then perhaps he should have refrained from alienating every young person on the show. There's a reason his ass got booed when he left the house.

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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:52 AM
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49. He reminds me more of Saddam than Bush.
Saddam's petulant, childish behaviour in the courtroom seemed the perfect mirror to GG's stay in the CBB house. No wonder they got on so well.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #49
50. I never thought of it that way.
But you are correct. It's eerily similar, now that I think about it.
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #25
66. yibbehobba is a British poster.
Do you think you know more about George Galloway than DUers who live in the UK?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #66
75. Actually, I'm an American living in the UK.
Which, I would argue, gives me an even weirder perspective on Galloway.
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:06 PM
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79. Doesn't make you wrong though.
I'm a Yank too, but I've lived here for a long time and have seen and heard enough of Mr. G to have a more informed opinion than most people on the other side of the pond.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #66
99. Sine I was born and bred over there............
Happened to be a Labour member since I was 18, activist (now Labour International living in the USA) PS former elected member. I've met him!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:07 AM
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55. I understand, I'm ashamed to have GWB as President

cause he does some mighty stupid things and kills lots of people.

However,,,, he gets such a BIG BREAK, cause he is King of the World.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:19 PM
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89. and our REPS making a HORROR of their reality 'show' DAILY


peace
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:55 AM
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5. I admire his quiet dignity.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #5
8. you must be kidding nt
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:03 AM
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12. we get it YOU do not like this guy...many of us do.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:08 AM
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14. some facts
Galloway has a reputation as a fiery left-winger and advocates redistribution of wealth, greater spending on welfare benefits, and extensive nationalisation of large industries. He opposes Scottish independence and supports the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament. Raised as a Roman Catholic, he left the church for a time but returned to Christian belief in his mid-20s, and he is opposed to abortion, although he supports Respect's pro-choice stance. Although he has voted in support of the equalisation of the age of consent for homosexuality analysis of his voting record shows absence/abstention from important gay-issues votes<26>. Recently his involvement in the leadership of Respect - which dropped gay rights from the party's 2005 election manifesto<27> and accepted donations from certain Islamic, homophobic sources<28> - have raised questions about commitment to those issues.

In the 2001 Parliament, he voted against the whip 27 times. During the 2001-02 session he was the 9th most rebellious Labour MP. He has attracted most attention for his comments on foreign policy, taking a special interest in Libya, Pakistan, Iraq, and the Arab-Israeli conflict. In an interview with the Guardian <29>, Galloway stated "I am on the anti-imperialist left... If you are asking did I support the Soviet Union, yes I did. Yes, I did support the Soviet Union, and I think the disappearance of the Soviet Union is the biggest catastrophe of my life. If there was a Soviet Union today, we would not be having this conversation about plunging into a new war in the Middle East, and the US would not be rampaging around the globe." <30>

about the show :

On day four the housemates were asked to arrange themselves in order of fame from most famous to least famous and he placed himself at number four out of the eleven. He later suggested - in a conversation with Rula Lenska - that globally he may have the most fame, claiming that practically all of the 1.3 billion Muslims in the world know of him. To win food and drink for his fellow housemates, the Big Brother producers set a task in which Galloway or Lenska had to pretend to be a cat. As a result, Galloway was seen on all fours, licking 'cream' from a 'bowl' (the cupped hands of Lenska). Those critical of Galloway have suggested that he did not show himself in a good light.

Many media organisations found local people in Bethnal Green who stated their regret for having supported Galloway following his appearance on Big Brother. The Sunday Mail suggested that "all those disgruntled constituents were Labour Party activists in Bethnal Green who are raging because George ousted their candidate." Sunday Mail

On Wednesday, 25 January 2006, Galloway was evicted from the show. He was shocked to learn of the impression people had of him inside the Big Brother House as well as the political interest. He had a paticularly public spat with BB Aled from The Chris Moyles Show, which had carried out a light-hearted non-scientific survey which found 92% of responders disliked Galloway. When questioned about it by Aled, Galloway seemed dismissive. <82>. George Galloway said he "meant everything he said" inside the house. Labour MP Stephen Pound assessed the likely reaction in the world of politics, saying "When he returns to the House of Commons there's going to be such a chorus of 'Meow.' He'll have a saucer of milk waiting for him and a litter tray." Pound called Galloway's stint on the reality show a "slow-motion car crash."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Galloway
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:35 AM
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36. Too funny!
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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #14
48. Kind of reminds me of * pretending to be a cowboy,
or wait a minute, pretending to actually be president of the USA.
Clearin' brush and falling on his face once again in a drunken stupor!
:patriot:
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #14
97. and this makes him a pariah how?
while b*shco has robbed the treasury blind spent the social security fund, given vast sums to his cronies, put us into debt as far as the mind can imagine, is moving to eliminate any help to educate the population and even has his hand in grannies savings under the mattress for a rainy day. get real my friend. you are barking up the wrong tree.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #8
27. Are you one of Blair's boys?
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #27
47. absolutely not
I just check what the man does and says. And I am not impressed. It's not very difficult as a "socialist" to criticize the war in Iraq. And very few have the opportunity to do it in a hearing in the US. But there is a big difference when you TAKE SIDES with the dictators. Which he does.

Galloway opposed the 1991 Gulf War and was critical of the effect the subsequent sanctions had on the people of Iraq. He visited Iraq several times and met senior government figures. His involvement caused certain critics to deride him as the "member for Baghdad Central". In 1994, Galloway faced some of his strongest criticism on his return from a Middle-Eastern visit during which he had met Saddam Hussein "to try and bring about an end to sanctions, suffering and war." At the meeting, he reported the support given to Saddam by the people of the Gaza Strip and infamously ended his speech with the phrase "Sir: I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability." <31> Additionally he said "hatta al-nasr, hatta al-nasr, hatta al-Quds" (Arabic for "until victory, until victory, until Jerusalem"). When later pressed to explain why he would make such a speech, he said that it was for the benefit of the Iraqi people, collectively.

In 1999, Galloway was criticised for spending Christmas in Iraq with Tariq Aziz, then Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister. In the 17 May 2005 hearing of the United States Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Galloway stated that he had had many meetings with Aziz, and characterized their relationship as friendly. <35> In 2006 a video surfaced showing Galloway greeting Uday Hussein, Saddam's eldest son and an alleged rapist and murderer, with jokes and the title of "Excellency" at Uday's palace in 1999.<36> "The two men also made unflattering comments about the United States and joked about losing weight, going bald and how difficult it is to give up smoking cigars," according to the Scotsman.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #27
96. one of b*shco's i think
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #5
76. "Quiet" and "dignity"
are not words usually associated with George Galloway.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:58 AM
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10. Like him or not... he's brilliant....
and can tear someone a new one (as with Mr. O'Brien) without even trying very hard. Miles showed a clip of him shaking hands wtih Ude Hussein (must have been years ago) and asked him to explain that. Galloway's response was, "Well, I'd shake hands with George W. Bush too". He then went on to present the fact that Bush too has torture chambers all around the world and has illegally kidnapped people and spirited them away to these places for torture.

It was a beauty to see and hear this... what a comeback! He then said, "I'd rather shake hands with somebody than to go to war with them." It was totally real, and Miles had no come back.

Galloway, at one point, when asked about the food for oil scandal commented that many newspapers had paid him handily for printing false reports about his involvement in this (something like 3M pounds) but that Sadddam never paid him a penny.

You do have to admire the sharpness of this guy. I don't know if he is a "crook" or not, but he's very strongly against the war, and I give him credit for that. I love to hear him set sycophantic reporters straight. Miles came to his milk this morning. Bwahahaha... :rofl:
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:08 AM
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15. Galloway met Uday in 1999.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1210232,00.html

"We're with you to the end," he told him between laughter and jokes.

At that stage the murder, torture and rape personally overseen and participated in by Uday was well known. Uday regularly quite literally tore his rivals a new one.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #15
16. You would deny me even my vicarious pleasure....
at seeing suck-up reporters like Miles get their come-up-ins? Oh, how cruel ye be. :cry: :eyes:
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #16
19. Well, it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. n/t
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:31 AM
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31. I suppose he is a rogue and a scoundrel...
but wouldn't it be just Baffo to have at least one good and decent Democrat over here stand up to the bullies in the Rethug party and to the media milquetoasts and be able to make hash of them like Galloway can? That's what I really wish to see! I'd love to see some of our Dems be able to make retorts that would just slice their opponents in half like a well-honed scimitar and not leave a drop of blood on the sword. :evilgrin:
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #16
83. Who is Miles, exactly?
Just curious, especially given the length of this thread. I only get CNN International so don't know who Miles is.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:32 PM
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93. Miles O'Brien....
He's one of the morning "anchors" on CNN's "American Morning" show. He is so blatantly anti-democrat/left it's really outrageous. Sorry for assuming everyone knew.
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 06:57 AM
Response to Reply #93
95. Thanks.
Now that you mention it, the name does actually ring a bell. I've probably seen him on CNN when I was visiting the States, but he obviously didn't make much of an impression for me to completely forget him.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #15
26. Right. Of course, now Blair and Bush have taken over for Uday.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:30 AM
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30. Oh, that makes it OK then. n/t
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:29 AM
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28. Rumsfeld met Saddam
so?
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #28
32. Rumsfeld isn't considered to be a saint by DU. n/t
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #10
51. How I would have loved to have seen it.
His speech before congress was pure poetry.

I don't care about his appearance on Big Brother House, as long as he continues to speak truth with such eloquence.

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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:05 AM
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13. What a grotesque clown Galloway is.
What a hypocrite. And criticising Interpal would not be inflammatory in the UK, it's done all the time.

And it's Britain, not Britan.
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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #13
17. It was not his appearance on big brother
or some of the more undignified situations he found himself in that I had a problem with. It was the casual racism; the bullying ( and the encouragement of others to join in in the bullying ); and, of course, taunting the recovering alchoholic.

Getting is ass handed to him by Richard and Judy also; although that is more :rofl: than :grr: or :wanker:
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #17
18. I know, I know.
His happiness to stir up vile hatreds for political gain, his sheer hypocrisy over socialism, his deceit, his toadying to monsters, his disdain of parliament ... he's a ghastly man.
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Tom Bombadil Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #18
21. Be that as it may
at least he stood up to Blair over the Iraq war, unlike the vast majority of spineless Labour MP's. And he stood up to that prick Norm Coleman in the senate.
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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #21
37. Well obviously that forgives
the racism and taunting the recovering alchoholic. :wtf:

FYI: 59 Labour MPs voted against giving the government authorisation to go to war. And my 12 month old nephew could give that tosser Norm Coleman a verbal handbagging. It was fun to watch George's verbal gymnastics infront of the senate commitee. And apart from the money he made from the American tour on the back of that performance it meant fuck all. Which, on reflection , is about the sum of the man.

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Tom Bombadil Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #37
63. Galloway is
obviously an extremely flawed individual, I'm not disputing that, but I do think that the Big Brother editing made him seem a lot worse.

By the way, those 59 MPs were a small minority. 250+ labour MPs voted in favour of the war. That's an overwhelming spineless majority.
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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #63
67. well that's okay
let's blame the big brother editing. Let's have some quotes shall we...

From the Black Information Link

Even before the Big Brother incident Galloway had undermined his credentials by labeling tattooed basketball star Dennis Rodman as an "inarticulate black American."

Critics said that his use of the word 'black' appeared to be used as an insult rather than a mere description.


From the Guardian's blog

George Galloway's credibility took a further nosedive on Celebrity Big Brother yesterday after he remarked that he made allowances for the US basketball star Dennis Rodman's lewd behaviour because he was "an inarticulate black American".

His remarks have led to accusations on Big Brother talkboards that at worst the Respect MP is a racist and at best utterly patronising. One poster on Digital Spy's Big Brother Forum comments: "To say that you have *cough* 'made allowances' for someone that you wouldn't have tolerated if he was a white man does smack of racism concious or not and by any definition is a racist remark. That said do I think George is a racist? er no..... I think he's arrogant, pompous, blinkered, ludicrously prudish, out of touch and could articulate himself a whole lot better. Given his chosen profession and responsibilities he's scored a massive own goal there and really needs to have a think about a few of his attitudes IMHO."


Bad editing? I think not.



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Tom Bombadil Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #67
88. I said the editing made him seem
worse because Channel 4 were responding to the media circus surrounding BB by focusing more on what George said and did than any of the other contestants, and i stand by that claim. I'm not totally defending him, he did come across as very nasty, but I shall hold back on a character assassination based simply on a Channel 4 reality TV program.

Must admit i hadn't seen the comments about Dennis Rodman but do you really believe that such a staunch defender of arab and palestinian rights could be a racist? More a case of poorly chosen words methinks.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #18
33. sounds like you are describing someone else
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #33
35. Your point?
You should choose your heroes more wisely.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #35
39. I didn't say he was a hero
I'm just saying it doesn't help coming here and doing him down?
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #39
41. He's a terrible advertisement for the left.
He postures as though he speaks for everyone who's anti-war. Well, he doesn't speak for me. All the rhetorical fireworks in the world can't make up for the fact that he's a vile, grasping, raving opportunist.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #41
56. Well he's been around a long time!
whether you like him or not you can't set him up though for things he didn't do.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #56
58. I haven't tried to "set him up".
His misdeeds are a matter of public record.

Lots of British politicians have been around a long time, like Tony Benn, and are far better mouthpieces for the left.

The British left is complicated. To find out about my corner of it, Google Fabianism.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #58
98. Yes Tony Benn
Having attended fringe meetings at the party conference........
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #41
57. "...vile, grasping, raving opportunist."
Can you provide something a little more substantial than a few bombastic adjectives?
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #57
59. I thought you Galloway fans liked bombastic words with little substance.
Here's my substance:

Vile: He's insufferably arrogant and hypocritical. He fought viciously to win Bethnal Green and then utterly neglects parliament and his constituents. His voting record is THE WORST in parliament, with the exception of Blair, MPs who aren't allowed to vote, and an MP who was terminally ill when elected in 2005 and is now dead. He repeatedly misses votes that are crucially important to his constituents. His absence meant that a Patriot-act-style piece of legislation passed - by one vote. He claimed he wanted to reach out to youth on CBB, and then spent his entire time there denigrating the younger housemates, causing him to be soundly booed on exit. He shakes hands and laughs with people he knows are murderers and rapists. And I don't mean he knew they had ordered mjurder and rape - he knew Uday had personally murdered and raped. That's vile.

Grasping: Galloway has a taste for the high life, being very fond of cigars, fine dining and expensive suits. Oddly, nearly every charity he has been involved with is financially investigated at some point. Back in the 1980s he ran a good charity called War On Want into the ground, and was forced to return some money to it. (Too late, its reputation had been destroyed and it had to close.) As I have already said, he prefers lucrative public speaking engagements and book signings to his parliamentary duties.

Raving: Galloway has a tendency to let that loud mouth of his run away with itself. You know, Describing the Israelis as "foreigners" in Jerusalem - that sort of thing.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #59
61. Typical.
I can't help but notice that you have provided no links to substantiate your claims.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. The fact that you think any of the previous is up for debate...
...or in need of citation shows that you know nothing about Galloway.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #61
68. Which ones do you doubt? I can back them all up. n/t
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #61
69. You can go to
http://www.theyworkforyou.com to find out about Galloway's voting record, which is 634th out of 645 MPs. Members ranked below GG, as Taxloss pointed out, include Tony Blair (who as Prime Minister doesn't vote), MPs who aren't allowed to vote, and an MP who was terminally ill when elected in 2005 and is now dead. That gives Galloway the worst voting record in Parliament, but he always remembers to claim his expenses.

One thing you should know is that Galloway is by no means the only antiwar MP. It's just that most of the others realize that there's more to being an MP than that, and most of them actually bother to turn up and do their jobs for their constituents instead of being on a more or less permanent - and lucrative - speaking tour.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #69
77. Thank you for the Link.
Edited on Tue Jan-31-06 01:59 PM by ronnie624
However, as I do not live in the U.K., George Galloway's voting record in no way concerns me. In addition, the website you provided does not support the venomous spew by some of the posters on this thread. Such things as:

"Reminds me more of Saddam than George Bush"
"grotesque clown"
"made a fool of himself"
"met with Uday while he was raping women."
"Collected money for terrorists"
"taste for the high life"
"prefers lucrative speaking engagements"

and other such nonsense.

These slurs are designed to demonize Galloway without having to provide any evidence. I have read hundreds of posts by the attackers of George Galloway and not one of them has ever used anything other than character assassination and ad homenim attacks in their campaign.
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #77
80. God, you sound like
the Bush supporters who wouldn't care if he ate a live baby on television.

You don't care that George Galloway has a pitiful record in Parliament, that he doesn't turn up to work for the people who elected him? It may not mean anything to you, but I'll bet you it damn well does to his constituents.

Can you rebut the "slurs" you refer to, which come from people in the UK? Galloway himself admits he enjoys the high life and has said he can't live on less than £150,000 a year (that's from a Scotsman interview a couple of years ago - you can Google it).

Some of us actually saw him on Big Brother. Yes, he made a fool of himself.

As far as preferring lucrative speaking engagements goes, his American and British speaking tours and Parliamentary attendance (or lack thereof) since the last election speak for themselves.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #77
85. Nonsense, eh?
What rubbish. You have no idea what you're talking about.

"Reminds me more of Saddam than George Bush"

He does. Fair comment. Did you watch CBB? I recommend the website:

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/news/newsstory.jsp?id=1741

"grotesque clown"

Exhibit A:



"made a fool of himself"

I refer the court to exhibit A.

"met with Uday while he was raping women."

He did. He met, praised and joked with Uday in 1999, when Uday's fondness for torture and rape had been a matter of public record for more than a decade.

"Collected money for terrorists"

I didn't say that, but Interpal is believed to be a Hamas fundraising operation.

"taste for the high life"

Absolutely true. He would probably be the first to agree.

"prefers lucrative speaking engagements"

He missed the first vote on the Terrorism Bill, which passed by one vote, because he was in the USA on a highly paid speaking engagement.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/george_galloway/bethnal_green_and_bow#register

Nice work if you can get it.

Uncomfortable facts can be ... uncomfortable, can't they?
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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #33
53. Aye, and who would that be?
I'm describing?
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #13
29. He is not a grotesque clown
who are you representing?
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #29
34. I'm representing myself.
I'm a British leftist who is disgusted by Galloway.

There are millions of us.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #34
38. some of us aren't that disgusted with him
he's OK but we should be concentrating more on that pillock tony blair
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:44 AM
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42. May I remind everyone of the secret societies having things to do with
skulls and bones and some with flagellation and sublimation of women or the proliferation of wives. And there are the secret societies where members have an affinity for young boys. And then there are all those exclusive male and white clubs tht exclude anyone not male and white and whose activities may plot our destiny. Then we have clubs that specialize in sex trafficking on islands like Micronesia and at borders such as near Texas.

These are all secret.

When someone talks about Galloway participating in any of these secret societies where people don't act like adults, draw my attention to it. In the meantime, I don't mind hearing about something out in the open done for charity. It's better than stealing the skull of Geronimo.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #42
44. Actually, it wasn't "done for charity", it was done for political gain.
A fact GG was quite open about. All the CBB participants donate the prize money to charity, it's part of the deal. The "celebs" simply nominate the charity.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #44
52. OK - a distinction - if a check goes off in the mail without a cameraman
or microphone, it's charity - but if the person (politician) is in front of a cameraman and microphone, it's political gain, but not charity?
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:04 AM
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54. The money would have gone to charity whatever happened.
It always goes to charity. His involvement or behaviour was utterly irrelevant. He made no special effort for it. He could have stayed at home.
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #52
78. Here's some clarification for you.
In the UK edition of "Celebrity Big Brother", each of the contestants names a charity that will receive a sizeable donation on behalf of the winner. That's a Big Brother rule.

George Galloway publicly stated that his reason for going into the Big Brother house was to raise his profile with young voters. Political gain.

I didn't watch very much of it myself because it was cringeworthy and I'd almost rather be poked with a sharp stick, but I was told by some of the "young voters" Galloway was so keen to connect with that he came across as hypocritical, as well as patronising and vicious.

I do know that I heard the results of the BBC Radio 1 survey last Wednesday morning asking the question of listeners whether they "liked" or "hated" George Galloway. In 20 minutes the station received more than 21,000 listener responses. 93% hated George Galloway. BBC Radio 1 has an 18-35 demographic, so it appears GG failed abysmally at his goal.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #44
70. It's painfully obvious you know nothing about George Galloway.
And your accusations are sickening and more of a reflection on you, than certainly the tremendous work Mr. Galloway has done as a leader and humanitarian.

Great Britain is lucky to have such a caring, strong leader.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #70
71. You salute his indefatigability?
I have the grave misfortune of having more than 20 years of experience of the Ba'ath Party member for Bethnal Green. I challenge you to find one thing I have said about him that is not confirmed on the public record. Go on, try it.

Your blindness to the loathesomeness of GG says a lot about you.
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Tom Bombadil Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #71
91. Your quote:-
Ba'ath Party member for Bethnal Green

You don't write for the Sun do you?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 06:04 AM
Response to Reply #91
94. Dude,
The man went to Iraq and told Saddam to keep on fighting until the fall of Jerusalem. He was a supporter of Ba'ath. I know this seems difficult to accept, but it's true.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #94
100. He wasn't a supporter of that party
if you remember britain loved saddam hussein in the 80s but then he became out of vogue.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #100
101. Well, he praised Uday in 1999, not the 1980s.
"We're with you to the end," he said. Who's the You? Just Uday, a known rapist and murderer? Or the Ba'ath regime in general?

Let's not forget that Iraq wasn't the Ba'ath state - Syria is still Ba'ath-run, and Galloway is fond of Assad as well, another Ba'athist:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4451848.stm
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #70
72. Leader and humanitarian, LOL.
George Galloway's main interest is his self-interest.

Why don't you check out George's record in Parliament and then come back and tell those of us who live in the UK what a "caring, strong leader" he is? Does it not strike you as odd that the DUers who live in the UK tend not to think much of your idol?

Too many people look at George Galloway and fall into that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" trap. George Galloway is not a friend of the Democrats. He didn't like the USA any more when Bill Clinton was president than he does now, and if and when another Democrat is elected as President, he still won't like the United States or its government. He'll happily take the $$$ for speaking there though.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:24 PM
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82. He does very well standing up for himself
I wish some democrats could learn from him. I still love the beat down he gave to Coleman and whoever else was with him.
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