There is NO SUCH THING as "partial birth abortion"

[KyndCulture]

From someone who knows..... I am sick today of hearing the freeps and their "victory" over partial birth abortion ... because Alito is on the Court....


I am here writing this message right now because I had a second term abortion at 19 weeks... and I am sick of hearing this shit. There are NO scissors!!! Can't we just be real???? This is SCIENCE AND MEDICINE people. Not emotion..... there was a bed, a sedative and pain killer for me and a vacuum extraction machine....NOTHING ELSE.

I almost died because I have cancer and found out I was pregnant.... but I found out too late because of a medical error.. (Ladies on the Depo shot... make SURE the nurse shakes the bottle). I have half a cervix and cannot ever carry another child... But guess what, freepers... there are doctors that understand that I can't have a child and I would DIE if I carried a child past 30 weeks....and they helped me... they were angels....

and today.. 2 years later, I can write this message....


am I not good enough for you?????

[elfin]

1. Well, you're good enough for me

What a nightmare. All the best for a healthy and happy future.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

2. I glad you are with us

and I am sorry for your bad times.

I don't even know what a "partial birth abortion" is supposed to be. And I guess that's okay.

I would assume that such a procedure would only be used in the most dire of circumstances.

[blue cat]

3. You're great! n/t

[Hello_Kitty]

4. Thanks for posting that

I'm so glad you had compassionate doctors who took care of you. Practically 100% of late-term abortions are done for serious medical conditions such as yours, despite what those liars try to claim. It sickens me that "pro lifers" politicize what is a painful situation for the women involved in order to manipulate the public into supporting their regressive agenda.

And then, to make matters worse there are some on this very forum who believe the RW crap about it.

[KyndCulture]

7. I am just SICK of these lies.....

I'll tell this story over and over again...

I am by far not the only woman that had to make this choice...or a harder one...but I am sick of the gloating from them, they don't know! But I do!!!

[Name removed]

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[The Backlash Cometh]

6. There is something hanging in the wind, that they cannot see.

They can only see things one way, but never consider that they're saddling people with loads that are beyond human endurance. That comes from their religion, which is unkind and punishing. They use it like a whip and weapon.

[Hidden Stillness]

8. Taking On Jargon as Description

Almost all late-term abortions are done because of a life-threatening medical emergency that only showed itself later during the pregnancy, or as with your case, the woman did not know she was pregnant. I have never heard of any other reason for getting a late-term abortion other than sudden, threatening emergency. Abortions are not done earlier on women who are aware of their pregnancies, for the very reason that they were never intending to abort the pregnancy, but were trying to carry it to term, then could not.

It bothers me that people stupidly adopt Republican lies as if they were descriptions, and start using them as if their claims had been proved. Sometimes, it is pretending that Republicans are good at managing the economy--claiming that running up debts and deficits is "not conservative"--or that they have to "get back to the fiscal responsibility of their Party" (??--who? Reagan, who ran up the debt that Clinton had to erase? Hoover, who brought on the Depression that Roosevelt had to solve?)--that is offensive because only classic liberal Democratic policies work. Sometimes, it is the anti-woman, anti-abortion-rights rhetoric that they hope will incite violence against us. These people are not "religious"--they are archconservative terrorists, and they are trying to intimidate those who fight for women's rights. "Partial birth abortion" is not a medical term; it is nonsense.

[Maat]

9. No, it is NOT a medical term.

I refer to the "PBAA" ("Partial Birth Abortion Act") as the "D&X Ban." I refuse to use their term. And I remind EVERYONE that raises the subject that around 90% of the abortion procedures performed occur in the first trimester; the few done in the latter two trimesters involve life-threatening situations such as yours.

I'm so happy you received the proper care, and are around to help educate.

[KyndCulture]

11. but the scary thing is.. what if?

What if where I live, in Minnesota, had a law about ALL abortions.... then I wouldn't be writing this message... see what I mean?

[Maat]

16. That's very scary.

I certainly am going to do everything I can to make sure that we do not return to the Coathanger days.

[sandnsea]

18. I know

And sadly, some woman somewhere will have to die before the people in those states get a reality shock as to why those procedures exist. Probably more than one. I'm so glad your well today. :hug:

[dsc]

10. With all due respect that isn't what the law is talking about

You had an abortion that was legal pretty much anywhere in the US. You were about half way into the second trimester. This procedure is done in the late 2nd and 3rd. I am glad you are alive but you would be alive even under the bill that was passed.

[KyndCulture]

12. That is not true... I had an abortion that was BARELY legal

but saved my life... in my state it's only legal til 20 possibly 22 weeks depends on which court ruling you look at... I was DAYS away from breaking the law to save my life.


Don't presume to know the laws of my state.... and what happened to me IS the essence of Roe v Wade...

and that is the point of the my story.

[dsc]

14. I said it was legal

you said it was legal. So how am I wrong again? The fact is your abortion was legal when you got it and would still be legal the day after a partial birth abortion bill passed. That was my point and even you seem to concede that my point is accurate. I will certainly concede that if Roe v Wade were overturn then your abortion could become illegal but that isn't what your post, nor mine, said.

[bettyellen]

15. because you were sick, you were almost a criminal.

we understand and our hearts go out to you.
anyone who doesn't get it, or is splitting hairs to argue your point is a hardass woman hater. fuck that.
i'm glad you're better now!

[sandnsea]

17. So she should die later???

With all due respect, the abortion you speak of is done under the same kinds of situations as the one describe in the OP. Mother's life or health, or a child that is going to die at birth because of serious deformity. This is when late term abortions happen and they are never happy events when they do. Gads.

[dsc]

22. the law had a life exception

[KyndCulture]

23. YOU don't get it... do you? nt

[sandnsea]

24. Not enough

The OP had cancer, does she have to wait until she's actually dying? Cancer is a health exception, not a life exception. And why in the hell can't a woman and her doctor make this decision without your help anyway? You being the government of the people who think women are too vicious or stupid to know when they need to end a pregnancy.

[KyndCulture]

25. The OP has cancer still...

and the fetus was never an issue... I'm sorry to sound so cold but that was MY choice.....

And this person that (feels like a troll to me) is not getting it....

I had a choice to make.. life or death..... and had to seek out another doctor to help me. Thankfully I found one and I can still answer this.

That is what HE and I am sure it's a HE is not getting.

[sandnsea]

26. I understand

I am saying that there are many circumstances where a woman would choose a late term abortion, including a deformed fetus that might even threaten her health if she were to continue carrying it. Not only that, but I think women and doctors can make those decisions all by themselves.

This person is not a troll and is usually more empathetic than this, not sure what his (yes it is a he) deal is today. :(

Sorry to hear you are still fighting the cancer.

[wolfgirl]

13. I hear your pain....

you are not alone. You & your MD made a necessary decision. Take comfort in knowing that it was the right decision and it was no one else's business!:grouphug:

[Neil Lisst]

19. The right lives on such fictions as "partial birth abortion"

In their world, a live baby is born at 9 months, and someone hits it in the head with a hammer as it is taking its first breath.

They invent a term and a story to go with it, and truth never enters the picture.

[0007]

20. No shit!

[killbotfactory]

21. You don't exist

And everyone is better off if a politician can butt their way into your business and force you to have the baby, dontchaknow.



:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[Vektor]

27. You're right. It doesn't exist. I did a research paper on abortion

for my Philosophy class, and myself and three classmates searched tirelessly for a month trying to find a single case of LATE TERM ABORTION ("partial birth" is bullshit rhetoric used to scare people, it's called LATE TERM) where this procedure as described (scissors, dismemberment, etc.) was ever performed electively on a healthy woman with a healthy fetus in the third trimester of her pregnancy. No such thing.

I also defy anyone to find a physician in this country willing to do this, BTW.

It doesn't happen, it doesn't exist. If the RW wants to celebrate that they passed a law banning a myth, let them, if it gets them through their lunch break. Whatever.

The nearest thing to such a medical procedure I was able to find was the induced labor and extraction of a fetus that died in utero and had to be removed quickly, due to infection and sepsis in the mother. The fetus had died from natural causes already.

[TygrBright]

28. Y'know, you have a GREAT idea, there...

I foresee a HUGE legislative industry going after myths. Let's see... At the local level we could enact:

The "Curb Your Unicorn" statute, to prevent unicorn feces from collecting on our sidewalks and inconveniencing pedestrians.

At the state level we could go for:

The "Licensed Wyvern Rider" act, amended with the controversial "helmet amendment," to promote safer flying practices and prevent fatal midair collisions.

And in Congress, we can go for:

The "Interstate Dragon Sale & Transport Ban," which will protect the rarer species of dragon from being cruelly exploited by unscrupulous pet shop owners. Oh, and we could tack on a pork barrel provision subsidizing research into genetic practices of licensed dragon breeders in the major dragon-production states.

Wow... this could be BIG!

excitedly,
Bright