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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:20 PM
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Virginia Governor Tim Kaine's SOTU Response
Released by: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/31/AR2006013101246.html

Tuesday, January 31, 2006; 6:32 PM

Gov. Timothy M. Kaine's text for the Democratic response to the State of the Union speech was released earlier this evening.

My fellow Americans, good evening:

I'm Tim Kaine, the Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia. It's an honor to give the Democratic response to President Bushon behalf of my Commonwealth, my fellow Democratic governors and the Democratic Party.

I worked as a missionary in Honduras when I was a young man and I learned to measure my life by the difference I can make in someone else's life. Coretta Scott King embodied that value and tonight, as a nation, we mourn her passing. Our faith and values teach us that there is no higher calling than serving others.

The federal government should serve the American people. But that mission is frustrated by this Administration's poor choices and bad management. Families in the Gulf Coast see that as they wait to rebuild their lives. Americans who lose their jobs see that as they look to rebuild their careers. And our soldiers in Iraq see that as they try to rebuild a nation.

As Americans, we do great things when we work together. Some of our leaders in Washington seem to have forgotten that.

I want to offer some good news tonight-there is a better way.

In Virginia - and other states - we're moving ahead by focusing on service, competent management and results. It's all aboutbringing people together to find common sense solutions toour commonproblems. That's how Virginia earned the ranking of America's "Best Managed State."

No matter what political philosophy you hold, or what state you call home, you have a right to expect that your government can deliver results. When there's a crime or fire, you expect that police and firefighters have the tools to respond. When there's anatural disaster, you expect a well-managed response. When you send your children to school, you expect them to be prepared for success. And, you have a right to expect government to be fiscally responsible, pay the bills and live within its means.

Tonight, we heard the President again call to make his tax policies permanent, despite his Administration's failure to manage our staggering national debt. Over the past five years, we'vegone from huge surpluses to massive deficits. No parent makes their child pay the mortgage. Why should we allow this Administration to pass down the bill for its reckless spending to our children and grandchildren?

There's a better way. Two years ago in Virginia, Democrats and Republicans worked together to reform our budget. By focusing on results, we were able to keep the budget balanced, preserve Virginia's strong credit rating, and protect the essential services families rely on: education, health care and law enforcement. States all across this country are doing the same thing, as the federal government falls further and further into debt.

Think about what's occurring in education. The Administration's No Child Left Behind Act is wreaking havoc on local school districts across the nation. Despite the insistence of Democrats in Congress that this program should be funded as promised, the Administration has opposed that funding and is refusing to let states try innovative alternatives. Now, the Republican leadership in Washingtonis cutting billionsof dollars from the student loan programs that serve working families, helping get their children to college.

There's a better way. Last year, governors from across the country worked together in a bipartisan fashion to reform the last year of high school, making it serve our students better. Many states are working to make high quality Pre-Kindergarten accessible to every family.Congressional Democrats have a plan to educate 100,000 new engineers, scientist and mathematicians in the next four years. In Virginia, Democrats and Republicansworked together to make record investments in education. The results: more accredited schools and better student test scores.

Look at what's happening in health care. Skyrocketing costs are hurting small businesses and pushingmillions of working Americans into the ranks of the uninsured. The White House has made efforts to cut Medicaid funds for our most vulnerable citizens. Seniors were promised that the new federal Medicare drug plan would make it easier and cheaper to obtain their medication. Instead, many are falling victim to the program's poor planning. They find getting their medicine to be more complex, more expensive, and less reliable.

There's a better way. Health care reforms must focus on making the system serve consumers better. Many states, following the lead of Illinois, have set up simple ways to help our seniors purchase safe, American-made prescription drugs from other countries at a fraction of the price they would pay here. The Administration actually fought against thatDemocraticeffort! In Virginia, we have worked to provide health insurance coverage for nearly 140,000 children who weren't covered four years ago. And Republicans and Democrats alike have banded together to fight the Administration's efforts to slash Medicaid and push more costs on to the states.

The President called again tonight for our commitment to win the war on terror and to support our troops. All Americansembrace those goals. We can, and we must, defeat those who attack and kill innocent people. While the images of the World Trade Center are seared in the minds of all Americans, so too are the memories of those who died on sacred ground in Virginia in the attack on the Pentagon. Our commitment to winning the war on terrorism compels us to ask this question: Are the President's policies the best way to win this war?

We now know that the American people were given inaccurate information about the reasons for invading Iraq. We now know that our troops in Iraq were not given the best body armor or the best intelligence. We now know that the Administration wants to cut tens of thousands of troops from the Army Reserves and National Guardat the very time America is facing new and dangerous threats. And we now knowthe Administration wants to further reduce military and veterans' benefits.

There's a better way. Working together, we must give our troops the tools they need to win the war on terror. We can do it without sacrificing the liberty we have sent our troops abroad to defend. Our support has to begin at home. That's why we in Virginia - Democrats working with Republicans - have reformed and enhanced our Department of Veterans Services to help our veterans and their family members access the benefits that they have earned. And, we are working to provide state re-enlistment bonuses to honor Virginians who stay in service to Commonwealth and Country.

When it comes to energy, Americans are using more than ever, paying more for it, and are more dependent on the Middle East than ever before.

There's a better way. Last summer, I joined Democrats in Washington and in other states in calling on oil companies to share in our sacrifice and return some of their record-breaking excess profits.

Democrats at both the state and national levels are leading the way on energy reforms, calling for greater public investmentsforalternative, advanced energy technologies. These investments will promote energy independence, boost our nation's economy, create jobs, and strengthennational security.

The failure of the federal government to implement and enforce a rational immigration policy has resulted in a confusing patchwork of state and local efforts. We should welcome those who seek to lawfully join and contribute to our American family. At the same time, we must ensure that our homeland defense efforts begin with consistent federal action to protect our borders.

The Administration is falling behindin other critical areas;preserving our environment, keeping our workplaces safe, protecting family farms, keeping jobs in America. Our communities are left to deal with the challenges and consequences of those failures without a reliable federal partner. But, we manage to find a better way.

The better wayis to focus on service. It's about measuring what we do in terms of real results for real people. It's not about partisanship or political spin. It's about protecting the rights endowed by our Creator;fulfilling the principle of equality set out in our Declaration of Independence; ensuring that the light of liberty shines on every American.

If we want to replace the divisionthat grips our nation's capital, we need a change. Democrats are leading that reform effort, working to restore honesty and openness to our government, working to replace a culture of partisanship and cronyism with an ethic of service and results.

Our greatest need is for America to heal its partisan wounds and become one people. You know, those are the words Thomas Jefferson wrote after being elected President. They ring as true today as they did in 1800. Tonight we pray, earnestly and humbly, for that healing, and for the day whenservice returns again as the better way to a new national politics.

We ask all Americans to join us in that effort.

Together, America can do better.

Thank you for listening and God Bless the United States of America.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:22 PM
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1. "And our soldiers in Iraq see that as they try to rebuild a nation."
Whose wrote this speech, Rove?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Obviously not intended for progressives.
I hope it will do well in the "red" states, as it is clearly the intended goal.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:58 PM
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17. that is my perception, too
I think he is also responding to the Jon Stewarts and Stephen Colberts of the world, who ask "what would Democrats do differently? They don't articulate concrete plans."
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:32 PM
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30. And his plans are?
I have no clue if it works in the red states, but it certainly does not make me feel better about the Democratic leadership.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #30
57. read the speech--I'm not interested in a p***ing match
nor in defending him.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #17
47. "Me too" is not a plan to go against Bush
Pathetic little speech by a pathetic little man with oversized brows.
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Not_So_Right_Wing Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #47
94. what an awful choice...
enough of this republican-lite crap.
Take the thugs to task and make a case for the American people.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #3
85. Look and see how many nominated his speech. I see only two
votes for Recommendation for the greatest page and lots of posters also.
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. It is an okay speech
nothing real hard hitting but not a terrible speech either.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Looks like it was written by a focus group
Says nothing and stands for nothing.
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:27 AM
Response to Reply #5
77. I was confused by the message
it sounded mostly like, we democrats are headed in the same direction as Bush and the republicans....we just have a better way of getting there. WTF? I'm in complete disagreement with the direction!!!
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #1
84. Now how did I know it was going to be a
"we all gotta work together" missive? I swear I'm gonna gag.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:32 PM
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2. it's all right
brings up the tried-and-true points I expected him to mention, but overall it's kinda bland and uninspired...he obviously loses steam over his 'war on terror' analysis
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:40 PM
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6. Let's compare this bland crap with what Dennis Kucinich would have said
The Truth About the State of our Union

By Dennis J. Kucinich


On Tuesday night President Bush will stand before the Congress and the nation, to deliver his annual State of the Union address. We are sure to hear a rosy tale of an economy on the rebound, a blossoming democracy in Iraq, a terror network on the run, and a Gulf Coast region rebuilding better and stronger than ever before. As is most often the case with this Administration, the rhetoric does not match reality.

The facts are clear. Our economy is struggling and leaving tens of millions of Americans behind. According to the non-partisan National Journal, since President Bush first stood before Congress and the nation in 2001, the median income in this country has decreased, the jobless rate has jumped from 3.9% to 4.9% and the number of families living in poverty has increased from 8.7% to 10.2%. Our trade deficit has doubled. Inflation has gone up. Personal bankruptcies have gone up. Consumer debt has gone up. College tuition has gone up. And, the price of gas has gone up. All the while, this Administration has turned a $128 billion federal budget surplus into a $319 billion deficit.

Today, almost 6 million more Americans do not have any health insurance than when President Bush took office. In total, over 45.5 million Americans, or over 15% of our total population, have no health care coverage at all.

During his 2003 address, President Bush told the nation that Saddam Hussein "had biological weapons sufficient to produce over 25,000 liters of anthrax", "materials sufficient to produce more than 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin", "as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent" and "upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents".

Today, almost three years after the start of the President's war of choice, we know Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, had no connection to al-Qaeda and posed no threat to our nation. Yet, our armed forces are bogged down in the middle of civil war that our own generals say cannot be won by military force. Our presence in Iraq is counterproductive and has cost the lives of over 2,200 US troops and $250 billion.

http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/2647/1/146
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. ay, that's the rub.....n/t
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:47 PM
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8. I'm a Virginian who voted for Kaine. Not a bad speech, but it
Edited on Tue Jan-31-06 08:49 PM by SCRUBDASHRUB
almost sounded too "local" (lots of "look what we did in VA!") and more like someone running for office. Am I off-base here? Also, what about wire-tapping? Would have liked to have heard about that (did I miss something?).
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Plausible Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:53 PM
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48. response was totally pathetic sheesh n/t
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:25 AM
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87. What's so great about that??
That is nothing but a rant. I would have shut that off, yeah yeah yeah, heard it Dennis.

Kaine said the exact same thing Dennis did, except he cut the rant in half and added solutions and a return to mutual respect and cooperation. People want that and we do have to think about voters who only pay attention a few times a year.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 08:50 PM
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9. Tweety just said that Bush is going to dare the Democrats to stop him
Bush is going to embrace his neocon policies and practically dare the Democrats to do anything about it.

Tweety on Olbermann.
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LEW Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #9
13. I don't watch Tweety anymore
I absolutely refuse to turn his program on, will not ever again.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. This was on the Keith Olbermann Show
I do watch Keith, and that's what Tweety said, that Bush will do a double dare to the Dems.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #9
25. that's a safe bet for bush isnt it? nt
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #9
60. Did he share how Democrats can do that in the minority?
Seems to ME our hands are f*cking tied!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #9
90. What can they do, exactly?
The ultra-RW runs every branch of the government and the media :shrug:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:49 PM
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93. Lame excuse "We're helpless"
They will continue to be the minority party until they can

1) Fix the flaws in the voting system and

2) Convince the American people that they have a clear vision of where the country is and where it needs to go

They became the minority party through 25 years of enabling the Republicans and rolling over and playing dead when they should have fought back and come up with exciting visions for the future.

They were just as flabby and pathetic when they were the majority party.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #9
98. Well, he's probably right
If I were him, I'd press for the most extreme far right agenda on EVERY front. I'd turn over NO documents. I'd inverstigate (or white wash) everthing.

Why not? There's no opposition party.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:24 PM
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10. After listening to the first 10 minutes of Bush's SOTU, Kaine's speech
is totally inadequate as a response to Bush.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:30 PM
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11. I want to know how a Dem can respond to a speech that wasn't even made yet
This is BS. Don't we have ANYONE who can just SPEAK impromptu, out of their head and about what they heard?????

This whole mess is BS on both sides!
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:31 PM
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12. His text is released in advance
Kaine read, but of course didn't hear, Bush's speech.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. The GOP wrote Kaine's speech
which as Bush's speech goes on, makes Kaine's address to be too lame to be called lame.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. Wes Clark can speak impromptu.
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Dhampir Kampf Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #11
54. Well..
Not that the speech he made, really responded to Bush's speech.

But we all knew what Bush's speech would be. Same ol' shit, promoting his policies, defending wire tapping, blah blah, etc.

It's not like you actually need to hear Bush speak, in order to know what he is going to say.
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Opusnone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 09:55 PM
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16. God Bless The USA?
God is not American. Gotta get that in there for the sheeple, heh?
If there is a God, I'm sure it's not watching this shit.
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. His eyebrow is freaking me out...
We needed someone who's not so calm...Sharpton could have been good...
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. He calls for healing prayer.. Oh, wow!
What a dipshit!
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #19
82. LOL me too.
I was trying to figure out how he could fix it.
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Dhampir Kampf Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #16
29. How does..
'God Bless USA', imply that God is American?

I like the term, "God Bless the World" better, as I've always veiwed GBA as selfish, that God, should only bless one nation.

But anyway.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:25 PM
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20. He didn't do very well. To much about HIM and VA not Democrats
He needed to mention Democrats and Democrat's "better way" is the true vision for America. He was trying to be too nice by reaching out to republicans. Democrats canbe centrist and nice all they want BUT we have to make a distinction from republicans.

everytime he mentioned positive democratic reforms he would also usually throw a bone to republicans.

Democrats= Good Republicans= Corrupt. That needs to be the simple meme.
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Dhampir Kampf Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. It's all for...
...the '06 elections.

Democrats can't win if they bash.


Republicans can.

Just the way it is right now.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:30 PM
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27. I'm not sure if that's right
we don't need to bash and be shrill but we can't seem embarrased to say Democrats are "da' bomb". He just didn't push hard that Democrats are more than just a happy alternative, we need to be the ONLY option.
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Dhampir Kampf Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #27
31. Then we'd look like Republicans.
That's what they've been campaigning, "My way, or to hell you go".
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:41 PM
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38. But they WIN!!
Haha, I know what you are saying. We don't need to be arrogant testosterone filled pricks like the Republicans but that mixture is working very well.

Democrats need to dumb down the message so we can start winning. Just really go after the republicans issues in clear terms. I did like his "better way" point but would have liked him to push that it's the Democrats better way.
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Dhampir Kampf Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #38
55. I'd rather..
..lose as a Democrat, then win as a Republican. :P
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #23
34. Yeah! I wonder what Newt was thinking in '94?
I mean if Newt would have only been mealy and polite and talked about one's state's politics....

Truth is not bashing. The DLC needs to get a grip.

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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:28 PM
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22. I was greatly impressed - he'll take votes away from Republicans
I agree with Newt. It was a "very solid" response. I'm surprised in a good way.

:)
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. Are we watching the same TV show, or are you eating those mushrooms again?
Lame ass speech by an even lamer speaker.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #26
32. He came across like a preacher and we need the god crowd
They're the key to unity for us. I think he swung more than a few soft "god fearing" republicans our way with that glittery, biblical prose. We are the big tent, after all.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #32
37. We need the "god crowd" like we need Bin Laden
Time to burn down that stupid big tent!

There is no peace between LGBTs and the fundies.
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BigYawn Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #32
43. God crowd? They will vote for a bad repug anyday over a good dem
Don't even bother. The best gain for us will be
from the center, NOT the fundies.
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jarjarbinksisgod Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #26
56. i think..
you are missing the big picture. alas, it is duly noted that you don't like tim kaine's eyebrows. i'll cede that point. but the point of the response was to reach out to moderates, hence putting forth a democratic governor from a "red" state. NoVA is actually very "blue," with the rest of the state being rural social conservatives. i thought he did an excellent job representing community and bipartisanship. you don't win elections by preaching to the choir. so please, enough with the democrat bashing -- we got your point with your first reply.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:31 PM
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28. Unfortunately I fell asleep......
Edited on Tue Jan-31-06 10:31 PM by FrenchieCat
:boring:
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LearnedHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:28 PM
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24. Total, useless, meaningless pablum
blah, blah, blah. God. blah, blah, blah. Americans.
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Vadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:34 PM
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33. Tim is a centrist. His father-in-law is the former moderate....
Edited on Tue Jan-31-06 10:36 PM by Vadem
Repub (when there were such things) Linwood Holton. I was at his inauguration in Williamsburg! I am thrilled that we do not have Jerry Kilgore as governor! Tim is a good man! He speaks fluent Spanish from his service in Honduras as a missionary. Be thankful we have a Democrat in red State Virginia!

I sure as hell am!

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Dhampir Kampf Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. Same here.
Two terms in a row we pulled it off.

Hopefully we can do it this year, and in 08.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:45 PM
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42. Kaine was a missionary in Honduras?
Well, that's another black mark on his record. There is nothing worse than missionaries!
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Vadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:58 PM
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50. I meant to say his father-in-law was former Governor Linwood
Holton, moderate (R). Tim is going to do good things for Virginia, just as Mark Warner did. I am a leftie liberal, so I understand where you are coming from. I have at least three members of my family who are GLBT, as well as many dear friends, including two whose wedding I attended in Toronto, Canada. We are working on him. Give us hope instead of raspberries! With Senators that we have such as George Allen and John Warner, give us a break!



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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:36 PM
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36. I was waiting for him to sing, It's a beautiful hood....Would you be
my neighbor? What a milquetoast.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:43 PM
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39. LMAO
Mister Rogers has Kaine beat on charisma!
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BigYawn Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:44 PM
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40. What no flaming of shrub's so called SOTU?
I am disappointed. He should have raked shrub over the coals.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:51 PM
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45. We raked him in the Skinner threads
now we are talking about LOSERMAN Kaine, and his pathetic performance and lame speech.
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Dhampir Kampf Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:15 PM
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59. It's people like you..
..who make us divide within our ranks.

I swear.

Kim Kaine just won in VA.

You know what that means?

He did something that Kerry could not. Win, in a red state.


Maybe instead of bashing him like a bushlover, why not try to understand WHY he won, and try to implement this into the entire party. That way, we can actually win nation wide.

Whether you like it or not, red states are part of America, and without them, you can't win.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:17 PM
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61. Kerry did really won Ohio in 2004
and Gore did win Florida in 2000, so don't tell me that a Democrat cannot win a red state.
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Dhampir Kampf Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:20 PM
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64. Of course they can..
Edited on Tue Jan-31-06 11:20 PM by Dhampir Kampf
Kaine and Warner have won back to back.

Without a doubt.

Compare the redness of Ohio and Florida to VA?

Haha.

Anyway, enough of your bashing of Democrats. When you posted your opinion the first time we got the picture.

If he would of flamed the entire time, everyone would've just turned it off, but atleast this way, they'd listen.
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Vadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:18 PM
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62. Indiana Green, read my post #50 and let me know what you...
think.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:21 PM
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66. Well, Vadem, I must say that I really appreciate what you are saying
Edited on Tue Jan-31-06 11:23 PM by IndianaGreen
and George Allen and John Warner are quite a pair of losers to boot!

Okay, peace!

On edit:

The LGBT community has been under assault in Indiana. If it hadn't been for the majority of Democrats and a few enlightened Republicans, we would all be behind barbed wire by now.

Being in the trenches gives you a different perspective on things.
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Vadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:56 PM
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75. You're right! and we are fighting the damn Nazis on every front!..n/t
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:18 PM
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63. "and try to implement this into the entire party"
Implement what? Kaine's homophobic views? I don't think so!
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jarjarbinksisgod Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:24 PM
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69. thank you.
constructive criticism is one thing, but irrational, knee-jerk naysaying is another. all this uninformed divisiveness and bickering on DU really puts a strain on putting together a unified front. he's a democrat, for god's sake. he won in a "red" state. he must have been doing something right (of course, he was helped by kilgore's allegiance to bush, and vice-versa, but that's for another thread). give credit where credit's due, is all i'm asking.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:44 PM
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41. "America can do better." ZZZZZzzzzz....
Wha.....? Oh, sorry.
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:50 PM
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44. I'm very proud of Governor Kaine...
...he, and folks like him, are, and should be, the future of our party - if a successful future is what we're aiming for.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:53 PM
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46. I think he did OK
I think what Repubs who are on the fence need to see is some stability from Democrats, and I thought Tim came across pretty well. He was low key, but he hit some very good points. I loved the "No parent makes their child pay the mortgage. Why should we allow this Administration to pass down the bill for its reckless spending to our children and grandchildren?" line. That will hit home with family-oriented Americans who are disturbed with the Bush Gestapo.

He was very nice, but somewhat condescending to Republicans. It's one of those things that won't hit some people until later, then they'll go, "Huh. I'll bet that's what he meant..."

I wasn't thrilled to death with the response, but I think it was OK. Not Al Gore OK, but OK.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 10:55 PM
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49. OK won't do, we needed the ball to get hit out of the ballpark
Never send a child to do a man's job, and Kaine is way out of his league.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:04 PM
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51. He and the response were aimed at pissed off * voters, not us.
And with that in mind I think it was pretty good. Personally I found it offensive in its irrelevance and he is a very scary guy, he has the look of the true believer. IMO
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:06 PM
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52. Those pissed off Bush voters will vote GOP again and again
and Bush is not running in '08.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:08 PM
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53. Kaine did an excellent job...
The perfect antidote to the raving lunatic adolescents running the white house.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:14 PM
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58. I agree. Granted *I* would have loved more passion but Kaine has a record
that I hear speaks for itself. Republicans want to put us into the "angry liberal" box and Kaine made that a bit more difficult.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 08:59 AM
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78. Agreed....
It's a good speech, and made an excellent counterpoint to pResident Turd's gibberish.
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neverevergivein Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:20 PM
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65. Did he mention how much he hates Gays and Lesbians
Sorry, I will not jump on the Kaine bandwagon. He does not represent my views!
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Dhampir Kampf Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:23 PM
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68. gdi.
Saying the way he VEIWS marriage, does not make him homophobic, or that he hates gays.

People need to grow up.

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neverevergivein Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:31 PM
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70. His views...fine. But when he makes them LAWS
Now we have a problem. But go ahead, defend him and the LAW he is making.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:39 AM
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88. He isn't "making" the law, Va's Republican Assembly is.....
with the help of our homeboys, Falwell and Robertson, AND, it will be on the ballot in November. Help us defeat it :hi:
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jarjarbinksisgod Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:31 PM
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71. i'll give you..
50 bucks if you can find a candidate that does represent your views. and i mean ALL of your views. unfortunately, in a democracy, we work with what we got. nobody's asking you to jump on any bandwagon. heck, i don't even live in VA (although i used to, under Warner, who miraculously got away with raising taxes in a "red" state). kaine isn't making many friends with liberals, obviously, but i'd be willing to bet he made some headway with moderates. that's what is going to matter come election time.
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neverevergivein Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:40 PM
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72. i think you misunderstood me.
Chasing the center is what KILLS us. Again, that's my opinion. But maybe we'll just have to differ. But I guarantee you, if the Democrats spend too much time chasing the center, they will get slaughtered. Absolutely killed in every election.
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jarjarbinksisgod Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:41 PM
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73. we'll have to see..
hopefully, politics revolves around the cycle of death and rebirth (samsara, isn't it?)... karma's a bitch. :)
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 05:03 PM
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99. if chasing the center is what kills us, how did Kaine get elected?
Here's a guy in a red-leaning state that preferred chimpy over kerry by 8% and has two repub Senators, repub majorities in both houses of the state legislatures, and a majority of Congresscritters are repubs). He runs to the center and gets elected governor against a strong conservative who had chimpy's support. And you think that's a bad strategy?
Maybe you prefer Ariana Huffington who ran in the California governor's recall race in a state with two Democratic senators, Democratic majorities in the state house and Congress, but couldn't get above 2 percent in the polls. That's the ticket...follow the losers and dump on the winners.

:sarcasm:


onenote
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neverevergivein Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 05:05 PM
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100. Fine, then let's run Lieberman for President in '08
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:22 PM
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67. Perfect entry in the Moderate Speaking Playbook manual
It was good....I kept thinking how well it might go over with moderates on both sides of the aisle....moderate Repug fence-sitters would have liked the speech.

Virginia gentleman politics...with antiques and a warm fire....where's my Volvo with the NPR sticker, Betsy?
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 11:50 PM
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74. He sounded like a Televangelist..."Send me 10.00 and I will show you
'the better way'".
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:05 AM
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76. Slight resemblance to Ernest Angsley
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:36 AM
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83. I thought the same thing.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:44 AM
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89. Sounds like the DNC.....LOL nt
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:13 AM
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79. Well done Tim
:thumbsup:
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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:28 AM
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80. I think he did a great job
And certainly had the moderate appeal that a "Big Tent" party such as ours has been lacking.
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 09:34 AM
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81. I thought it was bland and lackluster.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 10:19 AM
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86. I thought it was weak. He looked like a grinning fool to me.
I'd rather Ted Kennedy have given it, and spoken with fire and authority.

Kaine was a cold bowl of oatmeal, with no milk or sugar.
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Aaaargh Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:28 PM
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91. 'I Can't Believe It's Not Republicans!'
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 12:32 PM by Aaaargh
'Same Great Republican Taste, But Less Filling!'

'Strong Republican Medicine -- That WON'T Upset Your Stomach!'

Kaine's sloganeering speech was a disgrace. If you guys really think this approach is going to win seats for Democrats in November, it's time for you to pass around the Jonestown Fla-Vor-Aid ('Same Great Taste As Kool-Aid, PLUS Cyanide!')

At a time when polls show that most Americans do NOT see the Iraq mission as a legitimate part of any 'War on Terror' we've set out upon in response to 9/11 --that in fact, pursuing it has made us LESS safe, as it obviously has -- here we have a DLCer speaking as a 'representative' of the Democratic Party, endorsing the Bush/neocon line on the war, and once again asserting that there's a legitimate tie between 9/11 and the Iraq War. 'Way too many Americans now KNOW that this is a fucking LIE.

Kaine: "We now know that the Administration wants to cut tens of thousands of troops from the Army Reserves and National Guard at the very time America is facing new and dangerous threats." Why not just PROMISE the American public more elective ('pre-emptive') Middle Eastern wars if Democrats take power?

This serves to tell the American people that they have NO ALTERNATIVE between the two major parties when it comes to the disastrous pursuit of this warmaking course.

"Our greatest need is for America to heal its partisan wounds and become one people." One people, or one political party?
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 12:45 PM
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92. He looked like a weak, scared child.
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 12:45 PM by iconoclastNYC
He was a horrible spokesman for our party. No gravitas, no confidance, no strength.
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 01:39 PM
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95. Who on Earth chose him to give the response anyway?
Nobody in the country ever heard of him. It made the Democrats look weaker than they already did.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 03:05 PM
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96. There is a better response
One that courageously tells the truth about Abramoff and pioneers, Iraq and empire, Katrina and climate change.
I would have loved to hear Gore deliver such a response.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 04:41 PM
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97. Eyebrows, Homophobic and Boring, OH MY.......
I originally posted the context of Tim Kaine's speech, in it's entirety, to help us frame the Election 2006 debate. :cry:

Please let me remind you (generic), that 75 million registered voters did not VOTE in 2004's General Election, and less than 3% of them were expected to watch the Democratic Response, down from the 5% expected to watch the SOTU ! (Disclaimer: I pulled those %'s out of my ass, but I'm sure I'm close, and I aimed HIGH).

Since when does Ariana speak for us? And make the Home Page !?! Yeah, "fire and brimstone" did alot of good for us on the Senate floor for the filibuster :shrug: I'm still proud of my Dem leaders anyhow :grouphug:

And ya know what, who would have thought, now, that I wished a Republican gave the Democratic Response:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2430728

Atman (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-01-06 10:31 AM
Original message
Great advice from a most unlikely source...Scarborough
Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 10:34 AM by Atman

On Hardblogger...

===

"Listening to the chatter from my perch on Capitol Hill makes it clear that the Democratic Party is in dire need of guidance. So here is a Republican’s humble suggestion on how to gain traction with the majority of American voters.

Hammer home these three themes over the next ten months.

1. There is a culture of corruption in Republican-run Washington.
2. There are record deficits, record debts and record government waste in Republican-run Washington.
3. Soldiers are dying across the world for reasons that are still not clear three years later.

Keep it simple, stupid. And tell Ted Kennedy to keep his head down in 2006."

===

Wow. I've never, ever agree with Joe. He's a dick. But on this one, I gotta agree with him.

KEEP IT SIMPLE.

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