Organized response to Cindy's arrest

[sandnsea]

Is it possible? In every county in America? A simple flier that we post all over the place that explains exactly what happened. An organized LTTE campaign. Divide into groups and watch our papers for every letter or news report and respond to it. Any other effective response ideas? I think that's what we have to do to take the country back. A national rapid response that goes beyond the media.

[Kelvin Mace]

1. The media has declared this a "non-story"

The media has spoken.

Amazing how they keep turning a blind eye to each bit of irrefutable evidence that we are a defacto police state.

If we do not take back the House and Senate in the Fall, then I feel there will be no elections in 2008 (a national emergency will be declared over a pending terrorist attack, since they cannot allow a Dem president to have all the power they carved out for Bush). Even then, it may be too late, since with Alito on the court, all Bush crimes will be declared legal. And you know how the Dems stand up to illegal actions by the Supreme Court.

United States of America (1776-2000)

[sandnsea]

2. Lame response, very lame

First of all, if Cindy's supporters don't care enough to fight for her, then I can't take them seriously on anything at all. Second, we can't take back anything if we can't get around the media. Third, I am sick to death of defeatism.

[Kelvin Mace]

5. It has nothing to do with defeatism

I have posted the story to my blog and registered complaints with my reps (waste of time, both Bush worshipers).

I will write letters to my local newspaper. If Cindy sues, I'll contribute to her legal fund.

I am just calling it as I see it.

When they come to take me to the gulag for "Disrespect to the Imperial Person", I will not go peacefully.

The truth is, we are all we got. With VERY FEW exceptions, we have NO leaders in Washington who will fight (we saw that yesterday when only 25 votes could be found for a filibuster).

All we have is the blogsphere, and even that is not saying much about Cindy's arrest compared to say, the "Trent Lott affair" or the WaPo dust up.

Daily Kos has no mention of it except in the diaries, where Cindy posts her story and another clown is telling her she "hurting the cause" and should stop.

The outrages are coming fast and furious and without the mainstream media, we have been marginalized as crackpots.

Will I quit?

No.

Am I depressed that people are handing over the country to fascists with barely a whimper?

Oh, God yes.

[sandnsea]

8. Blogs aren't enough

Taking online to offline, that's the real power of the internet. So far we have been talking amongst ourselves, time to stop whining and take it to the next level. And protests in the streets aren't going to do it. It has to be neighbor to neighbor, facts, solutions, real campaigns that have trust, authority and credibility.

[Kelvin Mace]

9. Preaching to the choir

I bring the point up with anyone possible, but most people either don't care, or are rabid "Bush is my God, thou shalt not blaspheme Him" types.

It is Germany 1933. No one will believe the truth until the death camps are discovered.

[sandnsea]

10. More defeatism

I am sorry, I don't mean to jump on you personally. But I'm sick of this shit. I'm sick of people bitching about red state senators when they have no choice but to continue voting the way they do as long as people in their states think the way they do. I'm sick of people bitching about the media when the only way to change the media is to attack every wrong story at every level in every county with every means at our disposal. I'm sick of people bitching about churches when they won't take ten minutes on a Sunday to slap a flier on every car window about Ralph Reed or Brent Bozell or Pat Robertson's gold mines or whatever. I'm just sick of the whining. It seems to me people are more interested in flamboyant, outrageous acts which are really as self-serving as the outrageous acts of Limbaugh and O'Reilly; and despite the fact that they just aren't working.

[Kelvin Mace]

11. I voted for my guy in the last election

Bowles, another Vichy Dem which I had little use for buy that was my choice.

I have a good rep (Watt) but even he is too quiet for my tastes.

I personally have been fighting the voting machine battle (can't win election is votes aren't counted accurately) in my state and we now have the toughest law in the nation, which I am now battling to protect from the likes of Diebold and OUR OWN DEMOCRATIC ELECTION OFFICIALS who want to de-fang it.

In a state of 7 million, we have mustered about 25 hard core activists on this one topic, which is pretty goddamned pathetic.

The fight is not over, but I am pretty tired of being told I'm not doing enough when I try to explain to folks what is at stake.

We, the activists, are losing battle after battle because almost NO ONE in Washington is willing to fight.

Bush is so brazen now, he feels perfectly safe admitting to the fact that he has committed felonies and boldly states he will CONTINUE to commit them. Why? Because he knows there is almost NO ONE to oppose him.

Accusing folks like me of being "defeatist" for telling the truth is like telling our soldiers they are "defeatist" for saying they can't win a war in Iraq without armor, ammo and troops.

Folks talk about useless "symbolic" gestures, but Christ, we are in a war of "symbols" and getting our ass beat.

Imagine for just a second if in a "symbolic" gesture to Bush lawbreaking and lying, every Dem stood up after Bush came in and walked out of the hall?

The news media would be talking about NOTHING else today. Bush's speech would not have mattered in the slightest. All of his lies would have been buried, if printed at all. All the media would be able to talk about would be the fact that the Dems voted with their feet on Bush and his ideas.

What would that have cost the Dems? Not a goddamned thing other than the physical effort.

Hell, not a single Dem walked out in protest over Cindy's arrest, and that disgusts me.

Can't a single one of these assholes simply do what is right without consulting with pollsters, image consultants and focus groups?

[sandnsea]

12. Round and round we go

Same shit I always hear whenever I suggest to anybody that we change strategy. Cindy Sheehan understood the significance of suffering through that event and nobody is criticizing her for going. But Democrats were expected to do something different. Some day somebody will understand I guess. They won because they infiltrated mainstream America. I don't know why that is so complicated to understand.

[Kelvin Mace]

13. I have been following your strategy

since Bush got in office. I agree with your strategy.

Trouble is, we have very few people who think like us. When the next generation comes into powr, the generation growing up now with the net and exposure to news outside "offical" channels, well start winning.

Providing we survive the next 10-20 years.

[sandnsea]

14. Okay

Are you saying we have a group or person in every county who are ready to go with fliers and a news war room to get the truth about Cindy out to the public?

[Kelvin Mace]

15. I am saying that I have been

on the streets and at meeting across my state on the issue I have been fighting for. I have brought up Sheehan to numerous people today and have already called my reps. My core project is protecting a voting machine law that was passed after a long hard slog from being gutted. I am one person, with a finite amount of hours in the day.

I write about other issues like Cindy but I can't just drop everything for each new Bush outrage. My major thrust for the next 10 months will be getting as many liberals to the polls in my state as possible.

Hell, I have been working on my in-laws for moths, and may yet get them to vote sensibly next time.

On election day I can either ferry people to the polls, or perform watchdog duty on voting machines, but not both.

[sandnsea]

16. I already said

I'm not attacking you personally. But that we don't have a strategy that connects us all and gets us focused on each others' issues. We've got a great voting project in Oregon, good environmentalists, health care activists, etc. But we rarely cross-over or are sent a flier to be posted or taken to a local meeting (Dem meetings too, but might not be able to say that). Or a live petition with fliers to print and hand out. Obviously one person can't do everything, I can't either. I'm just saying that as a community, we have to move beyond protests and online petitions. We've got to connect and we just aren't doing that yet. I'm not willing to accept that we're going to have to wait 10 or 20 years for change. I'll probably be dead by then.

[Kelvin Mace]

17. If things don't change

that's how long it will take.

If we can at least take control of the House, we have a possibility to impeach Bush.

That is my focus for the next ten months.

Get liberals to the polls.

[eve_was_framed]

6. hear hear!!! Dead on the money!

[rodeodance]

3. maybe not dead--

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2078712

[sandnsea]

4. Interesting

Will we be able to organize and use this to make a rational case? We'll see.

[July]

7. I'm thinking of sticking a label w/KIA no. on my clothes when I go out.

See what responses I get. If I get any grief, I'm going to say, "so, is freedom of speech one of the freedoms Bush is protecting -- or NOT?"