DLC stands for Democrats Love Corporations! *warning* *rant*

[Free the Press]

The DLC is a not-for-profit CORPORATION.

The DLC is embracing right wing kooks for elected office in 2006.

The DLC is the Republican's Democrat wing.

The DLC holds the fort for the Republicans when they encounter a public backlash at the polls.

The DLC doesn't care about ordinary people.

The DLC is elitist.

The DLC is a phony front for Dictatorship enablers.

The DLC is center and moderate politically like * is a kinder, gentler, more compassionate politician.

The DLC is hijacking our democracy.

The DLC needs to be stopped.

The truth is that the declared Republicans and the DLC Democrats have co-opted our Democracy by pretending to be a mainstream majority governing block in the federal, state, and local governments throughout this nation.

MINORITY RULE!

These assholes don't even make up 25 percent of this nation, yet they act as though they are a publicly supported majority.

Worse than the minority Chinese control over countries such as Malaysia!

Actually, they're FUCKING US ALL, Republicans, Democrats, and independents alike, once they get either elected or selected into public office.

In fact, they will soon put the final nails in our coffins when they resurrect economic slavery in this country and de-select the Bill of Rights.

CORPORATIONS have just begun their permanent reign of terror on this nation and the world at large.

Democracy is already dead! It almost evolved from the the US Constitution.

ANY DAMNED SO-CALLED DEMOCRACY THAT REFUSES TO ALLOW FOR FAIR AND OPEN ELECTIONS FREE FROM CORPORATE TAINT AND PEDDLING AND CORRUPTION IS NOT A DEMOCRACY AT ALL.

They are full of shit, and we are delusional if we believe that this is a DEMOCRACY.

The DLC is just a corporate front for other "transparent" corporations.

Corporations that are hooked on public welfare tax dollars!

Corporations are hooked on government contracts.

Corporations manipulate public policy so it elevates corporations above people.

Corporations are making a fucking mint off of the backs of the little people in the private sector, the not-for-profit sector, and the public sector.

Where would people be without corporations?

No, the question is where would corporations be without people?

Corporations are economic rapists. SAVAGES.

So greedy for their corporate welfare that they sponsored politicians into public office that kicked impoverished single moms and their children off of public assistance so the corporations could divvy up the savings for more corporate welfare.

Instead of giving people an education so they could get ahead and participate in and boost capitalism for all, they kick the impoverished while they are down and point to a few token escapees from the ghetto that they selected and nourished to higher standing in life, just so they could point to them and say the system is just.

They run to all corners of the Earth in order to rape and pillage society wherever it can be exploited.

They then hire a bunch of actors to persuade the world that they are moral and just and that corporations are angelic.

WELL, THEY ARE NOT MORAL, JUST, OR ANGELIC!

They are bullshitting, backstabbing liars. They seek profits over all else.

People are treated as liabilities by corporations.

That is why they have no problem sponsoring wars, that ordinary people don't want any part of.

Ordinary modern people go to war only to satisfy their obligations to others, such as their nation or militias.

Ordinary modern people don't launch wars, or go to them to fight with other people.

No, politicians launch wars, and soldiers of fortune and other war profiteers support those war bids.

Even the journalists you might find in a war zone are there on behalf of Corporations - doing the bidding of the corrupt corporate media.

It helps Corporations get rid of liabilities/people all while turning more profits!

The DLC is a war mongering and war-machine sponsored corporation that can use corporate payoffs, jobs and cash, to pay assholes to fight honest, hard-working Americans tooth and nail to stop them from having true accountable representation from their publicly elected representatives.

The rant is all about liberty and democracy.

Yet where is Liberty or Democracy on the rise? It isn't.

Not even here in the US can it be truthfully said that liberty is on the rise and Democracy is advancing.

When the talk is of a SCOTUS that needs to reduce politics in this country to what is explicitly outlined and STATED in the US COnstitution, how can that be construed to mean Democracy on the rise?

It is beyond Orwellian manipulation of language to infer that Strict Constitutional Constructionists are going to have liberty on the rise and Democracy advancing, unless it is properly framed in the context of CORPORATE LIBERTY AND CORPORATE DEMOCRACY.

Corporate liberty and corporate democracy are not people's liberty and people's democracy.

The DLC doesn't want you to decide anything for yourself!

The DLC has already decided for you!

The DLC claims to know best.

The DLC decides who shall best get elected or defeated.

The DLC uses the "end justifies the means" tainted corporate polling and corporate sponsorship to justify their power grabs.

The DLC claims to be at the front of progressive issues, but actually only shows any public support for progressive issues when they can do so without jeopardizing their corporate sponsors' initiatives.

How else can you explain the utter failure they advocate and embrace on political issues that are barely a stutter-step to the left of yesteryears extreme right?

Since the inception of the DLC it has done nothing but support the march toward totalitarianism that this nation commenced in the 1960's.

President Carter, who signed the FISA act into law wasn't a DLC'er.

President Clinton was. * even refers to Senator Clinton as a formidable opponent, because he knows she is backed by his own people: THE DLC!

Hilary is the Neoconservative's worst case scenario. A wolf in sheep's clothes.

They would rather have her than a real progressive in the WH or Congress or the SCOTUS.

That's why they hedge their bets!

The DLC exist strictly to keep the appearances of Democracy in this country.

I'd wager that even if this country became a dictatorship that the puppet government would have a role for the DLC, their beloved enablers.

That role would be no different than it is today: to lend to the public perception that this is a Democracy.

What is the DLC success? NOTHING!

They blab and blab and blab.

They have a whole diatribe of talking points that add up to NOTHING FOR MOST AMERICANS!

They have done FUCKING NOTHING TO ADVANCE DEMOCRACY in this nation!

THEY HAVE ENABLED DICTATORSHIP IN THIS NATION.

THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING TO ADVANCE HUMAN RIGHTS in this nation!

THEY HAVE ENDANGERED HUMAN AND CIVIL RIGHTS in this nation.

With the DLC power lusting and using the DNC as a puppet, the unions in this nation have been debilitated and almost eliminated.

With the DLC vampires in public office it is almost already illegal to assemble and redress the government for grievances, UNLESS YOU ARE A FUCKING CORPORATE LOBBYIST!

The DLC is full of shit and should be sued for false advertising and bait and switch tactics carried out against voters, AND PUT OUT OF BUSINESS.

The DLC embraces the neoconservative and paleoconservative lexicon when they use words like moderate, liberal, progressive, and left-wing to dictate to AMericans that don't understand or embrace this lexicon.

The DLC is out of touch with ordinary Americans.

EVEN IF THE DEMOCRATS TAKE THE WHOLE FUCKING CONGRESS IN 2006, THIS COUNTRY IS STILL HEADED STRAIGHT FOR A DICTATORSHIP, BECAUSE THE DLC CLEARLY IS OPPOSED TO TRUE DEMOCRACY AND WILL NEVER LET REAL PROGRESSIVES ANYWHERE NEAR A MAJORITY OF CONGRESS, THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, AND THE SCOTUS.

THAT WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED!

IF THE DLC WAS PRO-DEMOCRACY, THEN THEIR ORGANIZATION WOULD BE RUN AS A DEMOCRATIC ORGANIZATION AND WOULD NOT BE A REGISTERED NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION.

THE DLC IS PURE.

PURE BULLSHIT!

The three card monty party! 3CM = DLC

P.S. FUCK YOU DLC! YOU AND ALL OF YOUR ASSHOLE CANDIDATES THAT HAVE ENABLED THIS GREAT COUNTRY TO TEETER ON THE BRINK OF DICTATORSHIP IN THE NAME OF SOME PHONY CENTRIST POPULAR POLITICAL AGENDA UNDER THE COVER OF PROGRESSIVE IDEALS AND DEMOCRACY ITSELF.

YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF LYING CORRUPT SCUM THAT DON"T DESERVE TO HOLD PUBLIC OFFICE.

Any public official that can't act on behalf of the people that elect them rather than acting on behalf of the corporation that bought them their public election shouldn't be in office to begin with.

Corporations should be barred from having ANY direct influence over American politics: no contributions, no lobbying, no PAC's, no not for profit political activity, no direct influence at all.

This seems to be what ordinary Americans presently have: NO DIRECT INFLUENCE AT ALL!

It seems that only those Americans that espouse corporate interests as their own are permitted to influence publicly elected and those other, selected public officials.

Ah, yes, the DLC sure is pure.

Pure liars.

Pure bullshitters.

Pure elitists.

Pure con artists.

Pure self promoters.

Pure corporate lackeys.

Pure ASSHOLES.

Pure Democrat imposter's.

Pure anti-Democracy politicians.

The DLC. Public enemy #1.

[SaveElmer]

1. Your post...

Is pure Bullshit...

rant over!!!

[RazzleDazzle]

65. You wish.

[AtomicKitten]

2. "DLC: Public Enemy #1"

Whew. The Bush Administration will be glad to hear that lets them off the hook.

[Free the Press]

20. You'll notice that nothing in my remarks was forgiving toward Republicans.

The DLC is charged with plenty in my rant, but the Republican Party, Neoconservatives and Paleoconservatives are charged with using the DLC to render the DNC and the Democratic Party useless by hijacking the Democratic nominations from the Democratic Primaries to ensure that few if any real Democrats appear in general elections.

Thus, the Democrat-wing of the Republican Party.

Curious interpretation you have come upon. Baffling, in fact.

[Allenberg]

3. Personally,

I think rants like this are why we continue to lose elections. The GOP has really gotten its shit together in uniting their fundie whacko factions with the libertarians and the old conservative Democrats. How can we expect the electorate to take us seriously with bitter infighting? I think its best to reach out to all Democrats, keep a united front, and speak with one clear message.

[radio4progressives]

16. ya think so, eh? do ya think the majority of the voters even heard of the

dlc? much less any rants against them?

i'm just thinking, eeehhh, not so much.

[Allenberg]

19. The majority of voters haven't

but Average John Q. Democrat likely has. All I'm saying is that internal strife is hurting the base. I think if the Democratic party could unite as one party, we could make alot of headway. I mean, how many of us voted for DLC member John Kerry? I know I did. If you're tired of DLC candidates, work harder for your candidate of choice in the primaries. I think its important to remember that we're all on the same team here.

[Free the Press]

23. It is nearly impossible for working people to conquer corporate influence.

During the primaries, especially.

DLC relies on corporate sponsorship to promote their candidates.

Individuals don't have nearly the time or capital to compete with corporations during the primaries.

Your solution is actually a cop-out offered by many devout DLC'ers.

It is offered as a false choice.

The DLC controls the Democratic Party nominations wherever it chooses, and almost without failure could co-opt any candidacy it chooses.

However, until now, the DLC has only selected the a number of offices required to enable a majority of (see Republican Lexicon) CENTRISTS and CONSERVATIVES in either house of Congress in order to ensure a Corporate majority voting block on nearly any issue.

Now that there is genuine heart-felt political activism, the DLC has been even more proactive, because it may need to replace some Republicans with Democrats.

Although all politics are local, the DLC clearly has tried and tested methods for usurping Democratic candidate nominations.

In 2006 the Republicans face a massive public backlash, as in 1992, but far worse.

The DLC is ready to protect the Corporate interest.

They are working overtime to ensure that the DLC candidates get the Democratic nominations.

* doesn't need to veto legislation, because it is all written by Corporations with their approval already.

[threadkillaz]

41. Dont buy their stocks or products.

That is one way. Be selective in where you invest or shop.

[Free the Press]

42. Spending wisely won't hurt us or them before the 2006 elections, though.

What commerce doesn't Corporate America profit from, anyway?

They seem to own nearly everything already.

We are next, due to the new bankruptcy laws and the corrupt credit industry.

Credit reports in order to get an apartment or job too!

[threadkillaz]

48. Yes, and Islam does not believe in credit.

I think that is a big part in the culture war that no one talks about.

Taboooooo

Great post btw.

[Free the Press]

50. Weren't they trying to spread DEMOCRACY originally? See Hamas.

* had a difficult time knocking the Hamas victory, because to do so would be an attack on Democracy.

The neoconservative and paleoconservative think tanks underestimated the power of the people to realize that Democracy doesn't require, equal, or necessitate capitalism.

[radio4progressives]

60. it's happening right now, and right here on "all the internets"...

i just got word of how the dlc sponsors worked to water down california progressive caucus resolutions to impeach bush, amendments taken right out of the resolution, speakers censored, debate shut down , and the next meeting moved up to a date that is impossible to effectuate push for progressive issues - last week, the california democratic party progressive caucus was hijacked and co-opted by Art Torres, and Nancy Pelosi's daughter and others close to the dlc/dccc pac - oh and i forgot the iranian resolution, promoting the bush threat to bomb iran if necessary - completely co-opted, voted on with out the votes of others who were not present to vote on and who would have opposed etc..

so talk to me about "working hard" to get progressive candidates i want to see elected, when the fucking party leadership bullies, suppresses, strong arms, and shuts down democratic process, hijacks and co-opts the PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS!!!

They did all this in an internet conference meeting.

[DemInDistress]

51. NO..his rants dont lose elections "FUCKING DEIBOLD" WON THE

ELECTION...IF YOUR IN DOUBT...2004- THE STOLEN ELECTION "GAO"
and their no tin foil outfit

rants lose elections wrong...

[paulk]

56. "all Democrats"

that's the key - right there.

many of these "ranters" are not Democrats.

They are Greens, Socialists, Anarchists - and they have just as much interest in splintering
the Democratic coalition as the RNC does.

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and besides, the circle jerk over at PI just isn't as much fun when no one's watching...

at DU, they can get a lot more attention

[AtomicKitten]

57. nail on head

"and besides, the circle jerk over at PI just isn't as much fun when no one's watching...

at DU, they can get a lot more attention"

[Selatius]

4. The DLC is shit

You put too much emphasis into their power. It is true that they have not turned away corporate contributions from companies such as Chevron, but the fact is, they have no constituency. They have no grassroots base. They are an artificial creation.

The problem with the Democratic Party is systemic, and it's bigger than just the DLC. The DLC is merely the poster child of a party that has lost its message. This isn't the party of economic populism anymore. Gone are the days of the New Deal or the Great Society or the "War on Poverty."

Those are what built the Democratic Party into what it was, but they haven't really followed that vein of progressivism since Johnson destroyed himself in Vietnam.

Another problem is the fucking corporate news media. Everytime you step in the damn ring with a Republican, the corporate news media handicaps you.

[inthebrain]

7. I would disagree with your point on the DLC

The DLC is very powerfully when you take into consideration that it's propped up by the Cato institute. The Cato institute was set up by an ex John Birch society member Koch. Our pal Rupert Murdoch sits on their board of directors.

CAFTA was legislation that was drafted in part by these assholes. How many Democrats voted for it? 12? 16? 18?

The DLC still has pull and there are still DLC candidates sitting in office. The DLC is the Republican wing that has turned the Democratic party upside down. Knock them out and you will make some headway.

I would not be so quick to dismiss them. A good question to ask is why CAFTA was not mentioned during the campaign.

[leftstreet]

10. But given that the DLC has no "base" of voters, it's vulnerable.

There aren't scores of people looking for a place to sign up with the "DLC Party." In fact, I suspect the average Democratic voter has never heard of the DLC. The DLC can't gain any real "power" when it's vulnerable to the anger of the voters it relies on to maintain its strength.

Looks like a losing battle.

[Free the Press]

15. To control the DNC nominations is to control democratic "base" & the DNC.

If the DLC candidate gets the nomination, then the Democratic Party's base becomes the DLC's base, even when the registered Democrat knows nothing about the DLC.

[leftstreet]

21. Do you mean states where you declare Party affiliation?

And then the emotional "Party identification" associated with it? My state doesn't require voters to declare for either Party. So I don't know.

[Free the Press]

26. Even in your state, it is important to control the party nominations.

I gather that you can vote in Republican and Democratic Primaries?

Are you suggesting that because your state doesn't require party declaration/affiliation that party affiliation/declaration is moot?

I dare say that the perception of Democratic Candidate and Republican candidate are far more powerful than in name only.

The DLC is primarily concerned with ensuring the Republican Party a centrist majority of all branches of federal, state and local governments*, where possible, that ensures the Corporate agenda stays on track.

On the federal and state level, the DLC has demonstrated immense capability in controlling Democratic nominations strategically*, without going overboard and drawing attention to its actions.

[leftstreet]

28. Agree

Sorry, I thought you were going in a different direction.

Voters in my state keep battling the blanket primary - pick a primary - top two primary. No matter what passes, it gets overturned as unconstitutional. Voters here have traditionally been fiercely independent about wanting the right to have ALL the bastards brought to them, regardless of Party, before they vote 'em in or out.

:D

[mom cat]

58. It has the power of corporate sponsors and their MONEY. That is their

"grass roots". In money driven, media baser elections, that spells "power".

[radio4progressives]

12. Did you know that NAFTA was Authored by Negroponte?

ain't that a piece of innerestin' info, eh?

yep, heard it from his own salivating mouth right there on my tv last weekend on c-span. there was that mass murdering son of a bastard baby killer talking to his colleagues, the ruling class and 'splained it all to us c-span junkies, watching this thing, and saying: :what the fuck did he just say?" yep. NAFTA was written up by Negro fucking Ponte and Clinton did his bidding...

i just don't remember Clinton mentioning Negroponte's name (at the time he had to do a lot of arm twisting to get that thing pushed through congress)but maybe i missed that.

arrgggghhhh...

[leftstreet]

47. To hear it from his own mouth.

:puke:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

52. I just looked at their website

It's a combination of accepting Republican framing ("the terrorists are coming!") and shilling for corporations ("CAFTA is the greatest thing since sliced bread!") while trying to appeal to the soccer moms who are disturbed by violent or sexually-charged media.

In other words, it's kind of where the Republican party was in 1964.

[Neil Lisst]

25. Ditto your comments. The DLC has all the power of a shadow.

Blaming the DLC is like blaming Bush's shadow for the evil he does.

I'm not letting Al From off the hook, but I'm not giving him any credit, either. Ben Nelson votes the way he does because he's a conservative from Nebraska and he wants to get reelected. It doesn't have a damn thing to do with the DLC.

The DLC is little more than Al From's personal platform to suck down a big salary from corporations that want to say they give to some Dem causes.

[Free the Press]

27. Neil, respectfully, I must say you fail to differentiate the issues.

The DLC seeks to control the Democratic Party nominations.

The DLC seeks to get the most Centrist or Conservative candidate it can the Democratic nomination.

The DLC knows that whether or not their candidate wins a general election, the Centrist or conservative vote will prevail, once their candidate wins the Democratic nomination.

The DLC is a not-for-profit corporation that acts in the corporate interest.

The DLC has masterfully ensured a Centrist to conservative control of Congress since 1992.

Once elected, DLC candidates do not publicly boast of their allegiance to the DLC, because the DLC shuns publicity of its efforts and motivations.

In this case the shadow knows and does.

The DLC hijacks the Democratic voter base when it hijacks the Democratic nomination.

[Neil Lisst]

38. Here's my view of Al From and his fat cats ...

[Free the Press]

40. LOL, see if this new thread works any better for you.

DLC - Corporate bidding, Democratic Primary winning, and our Congress.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2438061&mesg_id=2438061

lol, that darned anti DLC cookie corrupter is alive and well in DU.

The more you attack the DLC, the more corrupt that DU cookie gets!

[Free the Press]

29. Underestimate the DLC at your own peril. Hindsight is 20/20, and useless.

P.S. On a side note. I was struck with the corrupted DU cookie syndrome. It surely afflicts any DU'er who persists at posting anti-DLC threads and posts.

[threadkillaz]

37. At least you can get on TV.

Us independents havent had a chance since Perot pulled in a whopping 18% in the 1992 general. The media stopped allowing third party candidates on TV, or debates, then. He scared them.

My proposed Media Fairness Law is that whatever percentage the party gets in the general, that party gets same percentage time on TV for the next 4 years.

That would change a few things, even if the Libertarians and Greens (Remember Ohio now) got only 10 Minutes face time per week on National TV.

Busta few heads.

[Kalisiin]

5. God-DAMN!!

I don't care what anyone else says on this site...you got my support and my vote. I got your back.

FUCK THE DLC!!

[FarLeftRage]

6. Amen!!

Speak power to the truth!!

Shout it out from the rooftop!!

[ladjf]

8. The DLC divides an already weakened Party.

[Free the Press]

18. um, you mean hijacks and renders useless a powerful people's party.

The hijacking takes place at the primaries when the DLC corporate sponsors get their candidates to win the Democratic nomination and prevent real democrats from getting to general elections.

[ladjf]

34. It certainly happened that way in 2004. I could go with your

definition. Rave on!

[Cocoa]

9. and their influence is greatly diminished

Barack Obama for example actually asked them to remove his name from their website.

Just vote against them. The hyperbolic and redundant rants only serve to exaggerate their importance.

[Free the Press]

11. um, last time I checked, they have most of the DNC candidates for 2006.

The fighting Democrats, etc.

P.S. Wolves in sheep's clothing. DLC exodus is much about nothing, because the politicians that are distancing themselves from the DLC are in fact continuing to vote and act on the DLC centrist bullshit political tightrope.

The DLC remains a corporation and is a front for corporate influence over American elections.

The nuclear DLC DU members, no names given here, are the best sources for the DLC and CORPORATE efforts to control the candidates and election process for Democratic candidates for 2006.

They spew a lot of venomous hatred and insanity, but they damn well know the corporate party line: DLC candidates must get Democratic party nominations if the Corporations are to remain in control of American politics.

[radio4progressives]

14. Really? Obama had his name removed from their website?

interesting...hmm

[Free the Press]

17. refer to Kos (see Google link below)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dlc+obama+kos

However, Obama still acts like a PURE DLC'er.

Notice how DLC'ers don't like to be linked to the DLC?

Show me elected Congress critters that boast of their DLC membership, and I'll show you a public backlash and a change of heart from that politician quicker than you can say "primary challenger."

[leftstreet]

22. Good point. It's like the Bush Kiss of Death n/t

[radio4progressives]

24. LOL!

that is funny.. actually Obama's statements on Sunday talks last week regarding the Cloture vote, was pretty telling..

[Cocoa]

32. that shows the DLC is in decline

[Free the Press]

35. I fail to understand your logic.

Once elected, DLC candidates distance themselves from the DLC, unless they are trying to embrace Corporate America or the Republican Party.

Remember, the DLC candidates are CENTRISTS and CONSERVATIVES, using the Republican Lexicon as the measuring stick.

Corporations and Republicans are glad to see them because they become the worst case scenario once they win the Democratic nominations and primaries.

Once that is done, Corporations and Republicans are assured of a CENTRIST vote in Congress, regardless of the outcome of who wins the general election, whether the Republican or the DLC'er.

The DLC is only apt to seek publicity that embraces corporations and Republicans.

How is this proof that the DLC is on the decline?

Presently, the DLC sponsored candidates stand to win more Democratic Primaries and thus Democratic nominations than any other organized group of Democrats including "all others" in the DNC.

If that seems to be the DLC in decline, then perhaps, I need more explaining.

[radio4progressives]

13. This is the Best Goddam Rant I've seen in a long time...

How about running for office!

go get those bastards out of town now!

[Free the Press]

31. How about giving the DLC 15 minutes of framed fame? You know it is true!

If the general public only knew.

If the grassroots activists could know this in time, they might be able to pre-empt the corporate enabling majority of Republicans and DLC'ers required to win in the 2006 election.

Once this CENTRIST AND CONSERVATIVE majority is in office, they use smoke and mirrors to establish a record such as Holy Joe's!

His record appears to be left-wing, yet he is more a war hawk than * himself.

It is a charade.

The DLC perpetuates the charade by hijacking the Democratic nomination process to ensure that enough candidates win primaries to ensure the Corporations their CENTRIST and CONSERVATIVE election victories that translate into an always ready voting majority on corporate interests.

[radio4progressives]

54. Don't forget how they're now Pandering to the Christo Fascists

a day or two ago, HRC was on the Senate floor wearing a huge CROSS around her neck - don't know whether or not it was a crucifix, couldn't make out the details - but is it any wonder why they didn't do everything in their power to dis-allow another white male catholic onto the SCOTUS?

and speaking of "liberals" in Congress involved with the RW christo fascists and the powers that be, check this out:

http://www.portlandphoenix.com/features/top/ts_mul...

[Free the Press]

30. Strategy for control of Congress.

Strip the DLC of its control over the Democratic nominations of candidates by using tremendous grass roots funding and political contributions directly to alternative candidates and away from the DNC and DLC.

Get real Progressive Democratic candidates to win the Democratic nominations in their primaries.

The DLC wing-nuts in DU have dared you to do this.

I predict that if the grass roots organizations do proceed to do this that the mother of all battles will break out.

That is because Corporate America will sense the threat that the (lexicon tainted) CENTRIST and CONSERVATIVE candidates (whether DLC or Republicans) might not comprise a majority of Congress after the 2006 elections and will be motivated to take drastic actions.

Then the big money and heavy handed primary campaigning will begin, with no assuredness of the people winning.

Suddenly, the DLC will seem like a wolf in sheep's clothing, which is what it actually is.

The time has come for the DLC to have its 15 minutes of fame!

The American Public needs to know the truth about the dirty little secret the DLC doesn't want the public to know about.

My money says that it will be publicized. Though I cannot guarantee it will be in time to thwart the DLC in 2006.

It is the people against the corporations, and as of this moment, the people are about to lose in 2006.

The DLC has already staked its position and is prominently placed to ensure the Corporations the number of CENTRIST AND CONSERVATIVE elected officials it requires to keep its agenda steamrolling over the American Public and the world at large.

[Cocoa]

33. it happened already in 2004

who's more DLC than Lieberman? Who failed more miserably than Lieberman?

[Free the Press]

39. Lieberman was not preferred to *, Holy Joe is no *

Lieberman is an important DLC'er because he supports war.

Otherwise he is allowed to vote very left-wing, and does.

He only votes right wing as needed by corporations and Republicans in order to support the corporate agenda, when the Republicans need his vote.

***

As for the presidential election, clearly the match-up that was preferred was * vs. anti-war, Left-winger.

Kerry was anti-war.

For * to lose to an anti-war candidate in a time of war would have been VERY unlikely, so they say.

Certainly, the DLC helped Kerry knock out Dean. Dean is not a DLC'er.

This was to be the justification for * wining.

Gay marriage ... in a time of war Presidents don't lose, especially to anti-war candidates etc., etc.

get that?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

55. Look at the way Kucinich had to fight through a media blackout

Working on his campaign was an eye-opening experience.

He got less time than any other candidate in the debates.

He got less coverage in the New York Times than any other candidate, including their printing the schedules of every candidate except him and, in the series of articles they ran on where the candidates stood on various issues, they gave him a sentence or two where every other candidate got a paragraph or two. The one full article about him was written by someone who sounded like a sorority girl making snarky comments about the campus nerds.

In the Twin Cities, we had to nag the local media into covering his appearances, and most of the TV stations still didn't.

This was BEFORE the Iowa caucuses, before any of the candidates had proved their ability to attract votes.

I've mentioned this before, and the DLCers always jump in with, "Nya-nya-nya, blame the media."

But in this case, it's true. Kucinich was marked as a "fringe" and "loser" candidate before the Iowa caucuses, even as Gephardt, also a mere Congressman, was getting full write-ups.

In the Twin Cities, where Dennis spoke to increasingly large crowds four times, and where the campaigners made tireless guerilla efforts, he got 27% of the primary vote, 17% statewide, even though the establishment types came to the caucuses and told us that a vote for anyone but Kerry was "wasted."

In Maine, Washington, and Hawaii, where he also had strong grassroots organizations, he also scored in the double digits. He also managed double digits in several parts of Iowa.

Would Kucinich have won the nomination with fair press coverage? Who knows. Probably not. He was so different from the typical Democratic candidate. But the fact is, most people in the U.S. didn't so much reject him as not even know that he was running. There was a whole coterie of Dennis-bashers on DU, usually making vague accusations of "being too far left" without any substantiation, but in the country as a whole, the reaction was more like, "Dennis who?"

I was present at three of his four visits to the Twin Cities, and the crowds' reaction created some of the most positive and energetic vibes I've ever experienced anywhere. He spoke at a dinner, and afterwards, the whole kitchen staff came out and wanted their pictures taken with him.

As I said, I don't know how he would have fared if he had received press coverage equal to that of the other candidates. But I know why he didn't receive press coverage equivalent to that of the other candidates: He said things that are unsayable in contemporary mainstream politics, namely, that we will be stronger as a nation with less emphasis on the military, that corporate-style "free" trade should be replaced with bilateral agreements that include respect for labor rights and the environment, and that the health care system is so broken that mere "increased access to insurance" won't be enough.

No, you can't say that in a Democratic campaign. You have to say that we need to spend more money on "fighting terrorism," that "free" trade is the way to economic utopia, and that we can solve the health care crisis by giving people access to a wider range of insurance programs.

That's what all the socially acceptable candidates were saying in 2004.

None of the "realistic" candidates was talking about the military-industrial complex, no one was admitting that "free" trade caused real pain, and no one was willing to look at doing away with the corrupt and wasteful private health insurance system entirely. Even worse, no one was talking about fair and transparent voting systems.

See what happens next time. Watch the spouters of conventional wisdom get the invitations to appear on Meet the Press and get a total of 15 minutes during the debates. Watch the candidates whose ideas threaten conventional wisdom be invisible in the mass media and get a total of 5 minutes during the debates.

Above all, the Washington establishment is determined to make sure that the American people never hear of alternatives, and if they do, those alternatives must be discredited.

[bvar22]

36. I'll give a K&R.

:patriot:
I like the way you explained the DLC rigging of the Primaries.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=160&topic_id=14207

The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[LincolnMcGrath]

43. I'll give it a fifth.

[Free the Press]

44. I tried to simplify it in another thread. Have a look. P.S. thanks!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2438061&mesg_id=2438061

[LincolnMcGrath]

45. Yes I read it before this one. Gave it it's first. nomination too!

:yourock:

[Free the Press]

46. Thanks. U2. DLC + Republicans = Corporate Lackeys!

All it took to hijack Democracy was a corporate investment into the DLC to ensure the Democratic nominations in sufficient primaries are won by what the Republicans call CENTRISTS.

These Democratic Primary winners ensure the Republicans and their Corporate benefactors of, at a minimum, a "CENTRIST" vote on corporate agenda, whether the Republican or DLC'er wins the general election.

[rman]

49. i support this rant. nt

[Sparkman]

53. Great rant...learned about DLC qualities. btw...econominc slavery IS here

think of European & Asian workers with health insurance and public transportation and moderate wages.
Compare with non-union U.S. jobs ($10/hr) and few entitlements.
A great U.S. job catagory is heavy equipment operator. Just hard to get one, and projects are politically doled out.

[AtomicKitten]

59. yawn

As someone astutely pointed out:

"...and besides, the circle jerk over at PI just isn't as much fun when no one's watching... at DU, they can get a lot more attention"

[radio4progressives]

61. looks like this got your attention...

:hi:

[AtomicKitten]

62. where's your posse?

Dogs attack in packs too.

Ps: Edited because Skinner doesn't want us to link to PI, the gathering place for hysterical malcontents with delusions of grandeur.

[eallen]

63. I tell swing-voters that most Democrats favor capitalism...

The frequent sticking point in getting some independents to vote Democrat is that they harbor this notion that the Democratic Party is socialist, that it hates capitalism and business and corporations. I explain that that just isn't true, that the vast majority of Democrats hold moderate economic views, that many of us are businessfolk, and that the party includes well-known business writers like Andrew Tobias and investors like Warren Buffett. I explain that unlike the GOP, which is now controlled by the radical religious right, the radical left is simply one voice in the Democratic party, and far from a controlling voice.

That, of course, is upsetting to the extreme leftists. But I'm going to keep saying this, because I think it is true. One piece of evidence for it is that the extreme leftists keep looking for conspiracies to explain why the Democratic Party disappoints them.

The vast majority of Americans have the common sense to realize that capitalism is the necessary economic engine in the modern world, which is why every nation with a healthy economy, from Singapore to Denmark, has capitalism as its basis. Democrats are not free-market fundamentalists, who flock to the GOP, and so it is the party that generates sensible proposals regarding social programs and health care and environmental regulations. But most Democrats realize these need a capitalist economy as their basis. They do not favor abolishing or nationalizing corporations. A capitalism without democratic social programs generates a permanent underclass and divisiveness. But a nation without a capitalist economy turns its entire people into an underclass. Whatever camaraderie that generates, it is one of shared poverty. If any doubt that, they should point to the nation that has economically prospered after it abolished corporations and capitalism.

OK, I'll let the extreme leftists flame me now.

:hippie:

[Hippo_Tron]

64. NEWSFLASH, POLITICIANS SUCK

Politicians stick up for the special interests no matter what party they are from. Like everybody else, I learned this at about age 5. I don't expect the democratic party to do the right thing nor have I ever because like the republican party, they are politicians too, THEY SUCK. The DLC is doing nothing un-characteristic of typical politicians and I don't see why this is big news.

You can't expect that people like Bill Clinton are incredible human beings who are truly going to do what they say that they are going to do. If you get them elected you can assume that they might do 20% of what they promised you, IF you are lucky.

You give the DLC far too much credit. The problems that you are talking about go far beyond the DLC, the DLC is merely the latest symptom of them. These problems have existed since the beginning of American politics and they will continue to be around long after the DLC is gone.