Were is our allied US when Syria is burning our embassy

[esbelt]

We have tropes in Iraq, on the behave of the "free" world of US.
were is US now, when we in Denmark is facing direct conflict with the same part as US is having trouble?

pre-story is :

Here in Denmark a writer had published a new book on the religion Islam, He failed to find any cartoonists to make
any pictures in his book, simply out of fear!
then the newspaper Jylland-posten took up the story of Salmon Rushdie etc. and asked the question if simple cartoon pictures would be censured out of fear in DK.
so they asked some professional cartoonists to make a picture and printed them out of respect of our free speech.
The paper have now made several apologizes and they have published that in fact we do not have free speech in DK
simply because they regret it and would never had don it if they had calculated the effect!

It is not the "art" or the outlook of the pictures that is the issue in DK, more than the fact that we do not have free speech when it comes to fear and religion!
And it is not just a "stupid" news-paper who is making some "stupid" pictures, without a international, and for the press, "hot" subject.

Now we are more or less in war with Syria.

[cali]

1. Syria didn't burn your Embassy

It's my understanding that they tried to protect it from a mob. Denmark is not at war with Syria, and one rather doubts that that will come to pass. I've read other interpretations of the situation by Danes who don't have precisely the same take as you do, including here at DU.

[esbelt]

3. So

you really think a dictatorship as Syria can not control the streets..... thats new !!!

[gordianot]

2. The US does not really care what happens in other countries

Unless it has propaganda value for multi national neoliberals better known in the US as Bush BFEE administration neo-cons. Remember Bush says "fight them over there so the US does not have to fight them here". The United States that fights Fascism over there as in the second World War is gone. The motives of the so called "War on Terror" are purely oil profit. The more terrorist these military actions can create serve the ultimate objective of "Neo-Cons".

[neweurope]

4. If you think this is war then you don't know war.

Do you really - REALLY???! - want US-TROOPS to protect an embassy of yours anywhere? Incredible. Do you really understand what that would mean? A foreign country - the USA - sending troops into another country where a mob attacked an embassy of yours? That would be an open war, in every respect against international law. But if you do - enjoy the outcome. And please quit peddling that cartoon-story. Most here, fortunately, see it quite different than you.:)

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[esbelt]

7. calm down

aim talking about taking a official stand in this matter, not starting a war... sorry but we have a lot support from friends in Europe, but have only had negative words from the US!

[neweurope]

8. I won't calm down and I wish you had a lot less support from Europe!

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[Stockholm]

36. You are the one that should calm down

Denmark is not at war with anyone and this whole mess has nothing to do with free speech.

Your reaction only benefits two groups. RW assholes and Islamist assholes.

[BillZBubb]

5. Next time, do a better job picking your "allies".

Bush won't lift a finger to help you unless he can get something out of it for his cronies.

Oh, yeah, thanks a lot for helping Bush sell the war in Iraq based on having a coalition of allies. Had your country and England not enabled the Chimperor, our country wouldn't be in the Iraq mess we're in.

[neweurope]

6. Thank you... I love Denmark but I haven't forgiven them for Iraq.

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[Jackpine Radical]

9. As an American with two Danish grandparents and two from Germany,

I find myself in a weird position these days. I was born in the latter days of WWII, and so grew up feeling great gratitude for what My Danish relatives had done to resist the outrages against humanity perpetrated by the German side of the family. Now at this point, I find myself admiring the international stance of the German relatives while deploring the stance my Danish relatives are taking in support of the emerging American dictatorship.

Mein Kopf schmerzt, auch mein Herz.

Hvad skal jeg gør?

[neweurope]

10. My head and heart are hurting also. (The Danish I didn't understand)

The roles might be reversed in the next war: Merkel seems to be set to help invade Iran... The answer - the only answer - seems to be to forget about nationalism altogether, it has brought too much sorrow to the world. Mankind is the answer. All of it. Including stupid Danes and stupid Americans and stupid Germans...
:pals:

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[Jackpine Radical]

21. The Danish is simply, "What shall I do?"

[neweurope]

22. Thank you :)

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[Hardrada]

11. Mein' Ruh ist hin

Mein herz ist schwer

Ich finde sie nimmer

und nimmermehr.



Unser Ruh ist immer hin unter Koenig Georg.

[neweurope]

13. Hardrada!

:loveya:

My heart just melted. To find those lines here... And I love your name:)

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[Jackpine Radical]

20. There seems to be a pretty large Old Norse contingent

around here. (Harald) Hardrada, Fenris, Olafvikingr, lots of others. Even I once worte a book on the runes for Thorsons Press (now defunct.)

[neweurope]

23. You wrote a book on runes? Still got an old copy

lying around you might care to mail to Germany?
Just asking...

Yes, the Norse contigent is growing. In Germany, too. Which suits my own interests just fine but which at the same time is also bad, I fear. Everytime those interests awaken in the general population nationalism is on the rise; been so (at least in Europe) since around 1860. And nationalism is the very last thing we all need right now. Still love that name, though, even though I know it means "hard ruler" ;)

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[Jackpine Radical]

25. The rune book is "The Enchanted Alphabet." Anyone interested

can find it used on Amazon. One of these days I may put out a second edition.

As for the nordic/nationalism thing, yeah, I know. I'm personally interested in the old languages, myths, etc., but any expression of those things in modern nationalism is repulsive to me.

[neweurope]

26. I'll certainly look for it :)

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[Hardrada]

27. Danke, danke!

I get too few opportunities to use the Deutsch I used to study (or Latin either for that matter). I see you are a fellow fan of J.W. von Goethe. My name is reference to my Norse ancestry. And I like Europe whether Old or New or in the Middle.



:hi:

[neweurope]

33. *g* My name was an accident.

I had wanted to call myself OldEurope. When I tried to register on DU my computer did some tricks on me, though, and when it finally worked again DU told me that the name "Oldeurope" had already been taken. By that time I desperately wanted to get on this board so I didn't take the time to really think about another name. Now I'm stuck with "neweurope" which most people associate with Poland *g*

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[Hardrada]

34. It works though. My name functions on several message

boards. I'm too lazy to change it, I suppose.

"'S geht es vorueber, 'S geht es vorbei....."

[neweurope]

35. ...auf jeden Dezember folgt wieder ein Mai...

Time for May to come around, too *sighs* I'm tired of lugging around hot water for the horses and the like. And I finally want to get rid of my winter-long cold. Sorry for changing the subject :)

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[Hardrada]

38. Take zinc lozenges and also lots of vitamin C.

This seems to work for us. Or at least, for me, has kept down the duration of a cold. Yes, we want April-May-June here in Eastern Iowa. Lots of folks around here with horses but just for riding and for show. We had some Amish farmers for awhile who used them in the fields but they moved further west.

[neweurope]

39. Good that you remind me of the Zinc and Vit.C. It's what I usually do

but right now we are (mainly I am) renovating an old house, and I'm pretty run down and forgot about it. Getting panicked - by the end of March we must have moved and I'm a month behind schedule and just heard that two of my three helpers won't show up anymore... Sorry, just needed a shoulder to cry on.

Our horses are - were - riding horses, too. Two old gentlemen. I can't ride anymore because of health problems but those two are like my children :) I love those heavy draught horses but we hardly have any around in Germany anomore, either, though the interest ist growing again, thankfully :)

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[Jemmons]

12. There might be a reason for the danish support in Iraq

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:l6xHEaQHc5QJ:www.publicintegrity.org/pns/db.aspx%3Fact%3Dcinfo%26coid%3D001665322+m%C3%A6rsk+defence+contract&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

[neweurope]

14. Ah, Maersk again...

Thank you for the link! :)

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[esbelt]

15. so

now we in Denmark has to blame Maersk as well as Jyllands-posten for our burning embassy.... whats next?

[neweurope]

16. I really wouldn't know - you are the Dane *g*

But if you haven't understood yet that corporatism is the greatest danger in all of the Western world (The Third World has been knowing this for decades) - than you should do some hard thinking.

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[NYC]

17. Way back in the beginning

of the Iraq War, Maersk was shipping U.S. equipment. I can't find the old information now.

[neweurope]

18. I just love DU... I get more information here than everywhere

else, and all compressed, too.
:loveya:

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[NYC]

29. I posted about Maersk on DU at that time.

Dial up prevents me from having any enthusiasm for searching DU.

I guess it was slightly before the war started that Maersk was shipping large, heavy equipment for the U.S.

If you have a fast connection, you can search DU. Good luck.

[Neshanic]

19. Denmark have lots of oil? Sorry we only care about our needs.

The Bush Era is about us...only us and what we want and how we can take/steal it. Now if there was a gargantuan oil discovery off your coast, now then....

[CJCRANE]

24. They'll come to your aid

and bomb Iran in retaliation.

[Neil Lisst]

28. First of all, welcome to DU.

I understand your concern and confusion.

Denmark has been attacked by extreme Muslims who take offense at the cartoon which suggested the explosive nature of Islam in the world today. It's hard to argue with the validity of the cartoon. The issue for Muslims is the use of Mohammed in the cartoon.

As you note, this is similar to the whole Salmon Rushie event.

I side with freedom of expression, and don't really care which religious group gets their panties in a bunch over it. But should the US be trying to stop riots in Syria over it? No.

Denmark would be right to expel Syrian diplomats, and halt immigration of Muslims, since there is clearly a problem with Muslims who move to other countries but disrespect those countries in the name of their religious beliefs.

[neweurope]

32. The disrespect was not on the side of the Muslims.

It was quite the other way around.

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[Igel]

40. esbelt has the context correct.

Danish, non-Muslim cartoonists in Denmark were afraid to produce respectful drawings of Muhammed for non-Muslim Danish kids living in Denmark in a book explaining Islam. This is offensive. It was caused by Muslims. There's the root cause of the cartoons.

The author had trouble finding an illustrator; one was finally found. But this chilling of free, respectful, responsible speech by an intolerant minority led to a situation in which it was perceived that to submit would lead to pacification, but hardly in keeping with traditional Danish values. They "took back" their right by publishing slightly disrespectful things.

If one starts surrending liberties to an intolerant minority for peace and security, that peace and security is likely to be short-lived. This would be a mistake. The idea is offensive.

For some Muslims in the Middle East, this is not a mistake; it is a given. After all, in the interest of tolerance the Jordanian editor that published three of the cartoons was arrested; insulting Islam, the government said, is a crime. The Muslims that are protesting are ignorant of the Danish situation; but, worse, they wouldn't see the problem with compelling obedience to their religion.

[moondust]

30. Bush couldn't find Denmark on a map.

Don't count on him for anything but trouble. Try France.

[fujiyama]

31. II don't know what the US can or should do

but even if they could, Bush wouldn't give a shit. Bush only cares about forwarding the agenda of his cronies and contributors - namely US defense contractorrs, the oil industrry, and of course, our favorite, religious right.

But as forr you Danes, I would consider booting out your government that sent people to Iraq, and reconsidere your immigration policy. It hurts me to say such things as I am an immigrant to theh US, but it becomes a problem when outside group comes in and tries imposing ttheiir culture and beliefs on the host nation.

[IndianaGreen]

37. The Lebanese just burned the Danish consulate in Beirut

How about attacking Lebanon?

There are people that are trying to exploit the cartoons, and the reaction to them, for their own evil purposes. The religious extremists use this to excite anti-Western passions, while the American neocons and their allies, are using this to whip up the flames of war against Bush's enemies.

[Igel]

41. Where's your ally?

Saying they understand Muslims' pain, and that defending the right to free speech without fear of retribution and reprisal from either the government, or intimidation from minority groups, is unwarranted.

Embarrassing, actually.

And war is only if Denmark interprets the assault on its embassies as a casus belli. I'm predicting they won't.