Okay ... so which state will they fuck with next?

[Stinky The Clown]

First it was Florida.

Then it was Ohio.

Who's next?

As I see it, the choices are Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, or Michigan.

[Warpy]

1. they already fucked New Mexico

where 17,000 of us simply got our votes deleted from the national race but counted in the local races for judges.

They lost our state by a close margin in 2000. They didn't care how many of us they had to rob to "win" in 2004.

[WinkyDink]

2. Not PA.

No way.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

7. no way ! not with Rendell and booting Santorium out the door...nt

[cybildisobedience]

45. not so fast....

Anyone who thinks Rendell will protect PA. hasn't tried to work with his administration on electronic voting machine issues. Counties across the state are buying these things up like crazy, and Rendell's sec. of state, Pedro Cortez, has been the biggest obstacle for voting activists.
They just don't get it ---
Don't be surprised if Rendell ends up cleaning out his office to make room for Gov. Lynn Swan.....and I wouldn't be surprised if there is stunning victory for Santorum either.

[mrcheerful]

3. I hate to say it but michigan looks like the next state to sell out

the way ohio did. We have a canadain born democratic gov thats not very well liked and a strong repuke senate that fights tooth and nail to make sure everything she wants done doesn't get done. Remember 2 things that happened in michigan, 1.) a man was arrested and tried for swearing in public after good christens turned him in. 2.) An insurence company fired workers for smoking cigarettes in their own homes. The state courts up held their being fired.

[biscotti]

4. Missouri?

I think their finger prints were all over the place in 2000 & '04.

[NoFederales]

11. Nah, we're already in the frickin' sack. nt

NoFederales

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. State with Repig Secy of State and Governors (like ohio & fl)

that is the key. Don't forget they had to bump up the vote in pro-repig, non-contested states to create their 3 million vote fake buffer so that everyone could mock Kerry if he made too big of a stink about a recount.

[xxqqqzme]

39. that is why CA is high on the list.

the rethugs hounded Dem SOS Kevin Shelley from office w/ false accusations - did the CaDemParty support him - why no they didn't! So steroid boy, who has yet 2 B elected, appointed a rethug as SOS. So now CA has a rethug gov & SOS and neither of them elected!

The CADemParty is giving this state 2 the rethugs on a silver platter. It is disgusting.

[stillcool]

6. Pennsylvania and Texas...

are my wager...thanks to the help america vote act.

[Coastie for Truth]

12. I was monitoring PA and Ohio (between CA, WA and OR calls)

and PA has aggressive "Democratic Lawyers' Clubs" across the state - who go - in person - to check on "irregularities" and cell phone a colleague at the Court House to get emergency court orders. By 10AM EST (7AM PST) all "issues" in Pennsylvania were "resolved" in accordance with the Election Code.

In Ohio - things appeared to be getting worse all day.

[stillcool]

19. lots of stories like this one...

coming out of PA
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203

February 1, 2006
Schuylkill to buy touch-screen units
Commissioners vote along party lines with the lone Democrat pushing for the county to get optical scanners.
By Chris Parker
Of The Morning Call
Over the protests of Democrats, Schuylkill County commissioners on Tuesday voted 2-1 along party lines to buy Diebold touch screen voting systems to replace the paper ballots the county has used for decades.
Republican Commissioners Robert S. Carl Jr. and Chairman Frank J. Staudenmeier voted for the touch screens. Democratic Commissioner Mantura M. Gallagher voted against them.
County GOP chief Dan Daub favored the touch screens, and lashed out at his Democratic counterpart, Edward Kleha, for opposing them.
Kleha threatened to sue the county last week if the commissioners chose the touch screens.
'Mr. Kleha has turned a very important decision into a partisan political grandstand,'' Daub said. ''I believe it is childish, wasteful and deceitful for the Democratic party to file a frivolous lawsuit against county government.''
Kleha said the Diebold Election Systems machine would be ''easy to hack into'' and that the commissioners violated the state Constitution by failing to put the choice to a referendum.
The state Constitution also requires voting to be private, something the touch screen systems could not guarantee, he said.

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/lehighton/all-b1_1schuy...

[MadisonProgressive]

8. No, Wisconsin is safe.

[radio4progressives]

9. california - they have been trying to turn this state red for a while

[Coastie for Truth]

14. They are playing it two ways

1. Running some very centrist Republicans (Campbell and Poizner) who attract Democratic voters.

2. Putting up Greens to draw votes away from Dems. There are noises that the GOP is going to run an attractive Green against Diane Feinstein to split the Dems.

I am seeing the rumors on the blogs and chat rooms, and hearing it one the "street."

I am also hearing it from the stalwart "old timers" (I'm 64 - so you can imagine how old they are).

[electron_blue]

31. Yeah, CA. It makes sense to "flip" states with the big electoral votes.

[rurallib]

10. Iowa may be a player in the plan

we got what should be a tight governor's race with one of their golden boys, Jim Nussle (Mr. Budget) running for them. Like a lot of states our voting machines are being 'upgraded' so chances for skullduggery is rife.

[NoFederales]

13. Iowa is a good bet. Kill the MidWest, the BreadBasket, get 'em by their

hearts and their minds will follow, eh? Or was it get 'em by their balls and their hearts will follow--maybe this was on some TV porn the other night..........

NoFederales

[Gatchaman]

15. Pennsylvania

They have to get Tricky Ricky Santorum reelected, and they would love to replace Fast Eddie Rendell with Uncle Lynn Swann

[NoFederales]

16. Is this Lynn Swann the former Steeler receiver?

NoFederales

[Coastie for Truth]

21. Yes. NT

[NJ Democrats]

23. Yes, same one.

[Coastie for Truth]

22. I may rent a bed room from my sister-in-law and go back to PA

just to vote against Rickie Santorum.

(The only property I still have in PA is my "pre-need family plot" and a 1/8 or 1/16 interest in a triplex in Greenfield, off of Greenfield Ave in the 15th Ward)

[democrank]

17. I can tell you one state they WON`T mess with....

Vermont.

[Peggy Day]

18. california

[guidod]

41. No way Peggy Day...

...with the idiot we have in Sacramento, Diane Feinsteins tail between her legs and with what's happening to Ken Lay right now, I don't think so. California democrats are strong when it comes to federal elections. Remember Kerry beat Bush, in california, by 54% to 45%

[markus]

20. I think they'd best not fuck with Louisiana

or things could get ugly. People there about are getting mighty pissed off.

Or, as they used to say when I was coming up: Don't start no shit, won't be no shit.

[sheelz]

24. We are kidding ourselves if we think they have stolen only one state.

We need to watch all the states!

[AtomicKitten]

25. Schwarzenegger signed SB 370 although threatened to veto it.

California law requires all electronic voting machines to be equipped with an accessible voter-verified paper audit trail (AVVPAT) as of January 1, 2006. Under a separate 40-year-old California law, elections officials are required to conduct a public manual tally of the ballots cast in at least 1% of the precincts chosen at random to check the accuracy of votes tabulated by an electronic or mechanical voting system. SB 370 requires elections officials to use the AVVPAT to comply with California’s 1% manual law and to use the AVVPAT it in the event of a recount.

The California Association of Clerks & Elections Officials opposed SB 370 even though it noted that the “. . . the possibility exists that the internal audit trail . . . could be programmed to print different results.”

“That’s precisely why it was critical for the Governor to sign this bill,” continued Bowen. “When the very elections officials who are buying these machines admit the election results can be manipulated and oppose a bill designed to audit the machine’s results, you’ve really got to wonder whose side they’re on. I’m glad the Governor realizes the importance of an accurate vote count, I just wish his Secretary of State shared that conviction and didn’t think tallying the results quickly was more important.”

http://www.votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=181&Itemid=113

[Sparkly]

28. (off topic) -- I love your pic, AK

Our rightful 43rd president and first lady.

(Isn't it amazing how some people, like the Gores, consistently look genuine in photographs, while other people, like the Chimperor and Pickles, consistently look stiff and phony?)

[AtomicKitten]

29. indeed.

RE-ELECT GORE IN 2008.

[applegrove]

26. First is was Texas. They flipped a few Dems there. And took over.

The latest place is Louisianna.

[napi21]

27. Don't be so sure it won't be Pa.

I' from Pgh, and I was talking to a relative last night. There was an article in the Post Gazette stating they have to convert their old voting machines, and the only co. who can deliver qualified machines on time is Dibold!!!!!

I believe there's to be a vote next week!

Now this decision is for Allegheny County which is Western Pa, but it's also a dem. stronghold!

I told her to fight this as hard as she can, but I'm afraid it might be too late!

[Sparkly]

30. I agree

They'll want a state with close elections in the past, to explain the sudden GOP win as part of a trend -- and PA, they'll say, was "closer than expected" in 2004.

They'll want a state with large areas of intense religious focus and GOP support, which PA has.

So, when people wait 5 hours in lines going around the block to vote, they'll explain it wasn't for CHANGE, it was just because they were SO motivated by (whatever wedge issue they choose next time).

If I understand correctly, it only takes one person at one computer to hack the tabulators; it takes Diebold to prevent verification that the tabulators weren't hacked; and it takes a political operation to explain away the "results."

I say PA is ripe for it.

[napi21]

32. Yes, it would only take one person, and he/she would be

at the central consolidating point. It makes no sense to try to alter all the precinct totals. It would involve way to many people, and too much risk! Pay off ONE at the consolidation point and you've got the results you want!

[Sparkly]

33. Right -- all they need is the absence of verification

at the precincts.

[Justice Is Comin]

34. Whoa but wait a minute

Diebold is filing bankruptcy. Did they lapse into a coma up there?

[napi21]

35. Maybe! Read this article and see what you think?

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06034/649114.stm

Here's part of it:

When the elections board meets Tuesday, it may have to face the fact that it can't please some of the activists, at least as far as voter verification is concerned. None of the machines certified in Pennsylvania has an active voter verification component.

Indeed, the system that Allegheny County is seriously considering -- Diebold Inc.'s Accu-Vote-TSX -- could come with a printer that records votes, but to be certified in Pennsylvania the printer has to be deactivated. (In order to prevent hacking, another condition is that the system can't be connected to a modem or network interface, including the Internet.)

Why no printer? Because both the state constitution and the Election Code require votes to be private and this system could enable an individual voter to be identified. As for delivering some sort of printed receipt, such a system would invite abuse -- a way for someone to show how a vote was cast in exchange for cash.

Some activists prefer ballots that can be scanned, much like standardized tests. That would dispense with the ease of touch-screen voting. In Allegheny County, with its large number of seniors, that would be adding an extra challenge -- as well as requiring the extra expense of printed ballots.

[Justice Is Comin]

36. The second to last paragraph says it all.

And somebody needs to advise the election board of the bankruptcy and the securities class action as well as Leon county in Florida that had the machines hacked within minutes.

How could they be so stupid? The CEO even resigned because the company is going down.

[napi21]

37. Like I said, I contacted my friends in PA, and told them to

contact the County Reps to stop this crap!

I know and explained Dibold's apparent affect in Ga. The first year Ga. had ALL Dibold machines, it also had the FIRST Republican Governor in 200+ years! Max Cleland was defeated, even though he was ahead 15 points in the polls the day before election day!

I don't have proof of anything, but I'm only willing to go so far with the coincidence BS!

PLEASE, if you know anybody in Allegheny County, Pa. Call them and tell them they really have to contact their county representatives and tell them to go with the optical scand machines. Yes, I realize they could be tampered with too, but at least you have a source document to go back to!!!!

[orleans]

38. yeah sure. like seniors can work computers better than they can

with a permanent marker coloring in a circle.

if allegheny county goes with this they can kiss my ass!

[PassingFair]

40. They're running DeVos here in Michigan.

If he even comes close to winning, it means they fucked with the votes.

Even his BASE doesn't trust him.

They've been suckered by Amway before....

[spuddonna]

42. From hearing about the crap they pulled on college students, PA...

My mom told me how during the summer/fall of 2004 many of the college students were encountering the GOP run voting tables where if they registered as Dems their forms "disappeared"...

Then on election night 2004, they closed polling places close to the students and the students were told they had to go downtown to vote. Then when they got there, they were told "No, you were misinformed - why are you here?" and so on... endless shell games...

I say PA will be next... The Scaife money runs deep and dark near the Three Rivers... (Shameless cheer: GO STEELERS! :) )

[OneBlueSky]

43. almost there in Georgia, too . . . n/t

.

[tsuki]

44. Cal-e-for-ny-a.