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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:19 AM
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Carville's smoke-filled rooms making party decisions? Or the 50 states.
During the campaigns for DNC chairman last year, Carville had this to say from the article linked below:

"I think it's pathetic," says James Carville. "It's so indicative of the
Democratic Party. Now we're just playing into every stereotype: We're weak,
disorganized, flopping around. ... Somebody should have fixed this damn
thing in November. I wish someone would have taken charge and three or four
people would have gotten together in a smoke-filled room. ... They're not
running for president! They are running for party chair. This is supposed to
be a rigged deal.
You think the Republicans would do it this way?"


Smoke-filled rooms like Carville wants? Or 50 state strategy and and
growing the party from the ground up?

This is what almost happened in February 05. I remember this Orlando event well. Then read about what Dean is trying to do with the 50 states build-up in the 2nd link. I saw a review of
Carville and Begala's book named "Take it Back"...(I wonder where the heck
they got that name? Hmmmm.....)The reviewer, I think it was Beinart, said the Carville and Begala were two strategists saying take the party back from other strategists..

It was not a very good review, but I am sure Carville's smoke-filled room
is waiting just around the corner. We Democrats were never very good at
getting change, or even recognizing change when we had it going for us.


From the New Republic last year, this article is called The Outsiders.
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050214&s=lizza021405

You've probably never heard of Hindery, but he is one of the party
establishment's longtime moneymen. In the old soft-money days, the cable TV
baron could be counted on to write six-figure checks to the DNC. During the
last presidential race, when his friend Dick Gephardt was getting torn to
shreds by Dean, Hindery dropped $100,000 on TV ads tying the Vermont
governor to Osama bin Laden. Hindery jumped into the DNC race in early
December, noisily proclaiming the backing of Gephardt and Tom Daschle. He
soon steered his private jet toward Orlando, where Democrats were meeting to
kick off the chairmanship race. But Hindery never even made it inside the
drab hotel ballroom where DNC members grilled Dean and the other candidates.

A guerrilla squad of Democratic bloggers had already gone to work on him,
noting that he is an ex-Republican and that, even as a Democrat, he had
given money to the GOP. Meanwhile, the usually irrelevant 447 members of the
DNC--known simply as "the 447"--sensed a rare opportunity to take control of
the selection process as never before. The members are generally local party
operatives and activists elected or appointed to the DNC. Technically, they
are the Democratic Party. But institutionally, they are hostile to Beltway
Democrats, who they believe ignore them.
And recently, they've been
emboldened by the renaissance of grassroots politics. In previous years they
swallowed hard and rubber-stamped a Terry McAuliffe or a Ron Brown, but the
idea that a former Republican financier had been sent down to Florida by two
defeated Democrats who had spent their last years in Washington watching the
GOP take over the town did not sit well with the 447.

Hindery's aides, after scouting the situation, gently explained to him that
he didn't have a chance. He turned his jet around and flew away.
As
Hindery's spokeswoman, Democratic consultant Jennifer Bluestein, said with
more than a touch of understatement, "He recognized his best role is to
remain a party fund-raiser." That night, in Hindery's abandoned hotel suite,
a gaggle of Democratic operatives raided his mini-bar and mockingly toasted
the death of his absurd candidacy: "To Leo!"

In hindsight, the boozy requiem wasn't just for Hindery, but for an era. The
DNC chair race has exposed deep fissures within the Democratic Party. Some
of these are ideological, but the real story of the race is the diffusion of
power away from Washington and to new people and entities that have rushed
to fill the power vacuum at the top of the party.


And here is what those of us who are working to change the party are trying
to do. It is explained very well in this post at Kos last month. It is
actually changing the nature of the DNC itself if it works.

When I wrote my post here about the ones who were saying to withhold
support, I actually knew the answer. I know the groups doing it, and I
know why. They are succeeding in their attempts to convince people it is
the right way. So why do I bother?

I bother because I know that if we don't do it this way, the smoke-filled
rooms of the Carvilles and Begalas will be right back. This is about all
we are going to get for this 06 election...boots on the ground hired by the
party and a little hope. That's why I bother.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/5/173123/9585

Of course, the fruits of this strategy aren't concentrated on presidential
elections. In the book we spend time looking at the House picture as well.
But the DNC exists for presidential races. We have the DSCC for the Senate,
the DCCC for the House, and the state parties for state offices.
But for too long, these organizations have worked in their silos to the
exclusion of the bigger picture.
That's what allowed the DNC to focus
primarily on the ever-shrinking number of battleground states to the
detriment of House and Senate races elsewhere, in places like Oklahoma and
Alaska.

Dean, for the first time, has decided on a more holistic approach. He's no
longer focused on just bolstering the presidential ticket in 2008. Rather,
he will go down to the precinct level and build locally. And, over time,
this will have effect not just at the local or state level, or at the House
or Senate level, but also all the way up the ticket to the top dog him- or
herself.


This is exactly the sort of thing we argue for in our book. It's good to see
Dean gets it. The states definitely get it. What's left is the old rotting
establishment -- the consultants and party hacks who wish things would go
back to the way they were.


This is already going on. The precinct planning has begun in teh DNC. There was a wonderful graphic in the shape of a down arrow...with the precinct at the top and the DNC at the bottom. When he was in Durham last week, the locals had displays of the organizational charts. It was amazing. A lot is going on.

Graphics of the state partnerships that are beginning:

http://www.democrats.org/a/2006/02/she_wasnt_kiddi.php


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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:24 AM
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1. I thought Dean was implementing the 50-state strategy.
Edited on Sun Feb-05-06 12:31 AM by AtomicKitten
on edit: nominated.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:25 AM
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2. He is. Maybe I need to recheck my subject line.
Thanks. Thought I made it clear.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 01:44 AM
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21. We all owe Dean
'Dean, for the first time, has decided on a more holistic approach. He's no
longer focused on just bolstering the presidential ticket in 2008. Rather,
he will go down to the precinct level and build locally. And, over time,
this will have effect not just at the local or state level, or at the House
or Senate level, but also all the way up the ticket to the top dog him- or
herself.'

Rebuild the base from the bottom up,
while preparing our local and state governments to become,
if need be, America's last line of defense
against the tyranny of a renegade fascist regime.
That's DFA in a nutshell.

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/
http://democracyfortennessee.smartcampaigns.com/index.php
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 01:47 AM
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22. Yes, DFA is set up the same way.
I am getting used to the DFA Link now, and it seems workable. I just can't get the rest of DFAers here to blog there. They just like email mostly.

Jim Dean is all over the country.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 02:28 AM
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23. We've had an active chapter here
in Clarksville Tn for about a year now.



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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:26 AM
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3. Interesting
So maybe this is why a lot of the DLCers don't like Dean. :shrug: I had a very interesting dream not long ago (earlier this week I think it was or this past week) and in this dream I was supposed to be someone who was a Congress or Senate person and I was at the hearing(s) on the floor for Alito and debating and afterwards everyone went to this room that had blue chairs and a white marker board and everyone basically had cigars and smoking them. The smoke was so thick I ended up coughing in real life and choking to where I had to wake up. This post of yours reminds me of that dream. :shrug: (I do have futureistic dreams and the like so maybe it's to do with that or something)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:27 AM
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5. Carville loves smoke-filled rooms.
Maybe it was a Carville type dream...just kidding. :evilgrin:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:30 AM
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7. LOL who knows
It was very strange. :shrug: It was like I was there and the smoke was so freakin thick. I could see some well known faces to me. Only one I didn't really see was Kerry and Kennedy which disappointed me. :( I saw Slaughter though. :D
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:27 AM
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4. Great post, thanks n/t
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:28 AM
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6. Carville and Begala - fat Tim's favorite Democrats
That should tell you all you need to know about this intra-party struggle. These asswipes go on MTP and bitch about the Dems being "weak" and "disorganized" and lacking a message and then turn around and attack the individual who stands up to the pukes and has done more to build a grass roots effort than anyone else - Dean. The sooner the party gets rid of beltway based hacks like Carville, Begala, Bob Shrum, and Donna Brazille the better off we'll all be.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 02:46 AM
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24. They are being paid to reinforce GOP frames.
If they loved thier party they would be fighting to fix it like Dean is doing.

But because they put personal fame and fortune above exerting real positive change they are going on national tv to reinforce all the negative GOP frames.

They are traitors. A few steps removed from Zell Miller.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 11:09 AM
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27. Amen!!!
"The sooner the party gets rid of beltway based hacks like Carville, Begala, Bob Shrum, and Donna Brazille the better off we'll all be."
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:35 AM
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8. Gephardt and Daschle supported a Repub for DNC chair?
That's interesting.

Did Carville support the GOP guy, too?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:37 AM
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10. Well, I think he was a Dem by then, maybe.
But I remember when the blogs went after him. I did a couple of posts on him, long forgotten now. He really never did go into the conference in Orlando.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:37 AM
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9. Media consolidation and election fraud is killing the Democrats
The rest is just piffle in comparison.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:39 AM
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13. Well, we don't do a bad job on each other, IMHO.
:hi:
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:37 AM
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11. Thanks for the update
I know that Dean's visit here in Lawrence helped energize the party. We've actually had polling calls from the state party and we've had canvessers through a couple of times. They are keeping the base going here. A friend of mine is already penciling in dates for fund raisers for later this year. He was rarely politically active before. In fact, he limited his political activity to voting. Dean energized him and he had fundraisers for various candidates in the 2004 election cycle and he worked on local elections last year.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:38 AM
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12. I believe Howard Dean is the right person to lead the Dems to victory.
Thanks for this! K&R.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:59 AM
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15. me too,
Edited on Sun Feb-05-06 01:00 AM by AtomicKitten
kicked, already recommended.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 01:08 AM
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17. Appreciated.
:hi:
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:46 AM
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14. Grassroots members have a lot of influence in California
and look how strong the Democratic Party is here -- and what relatively good senators and representatives the Democratic Party has sent to D.C.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 01:04 AM
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16. We don't have that much yet.
Our state chair is pretty close with Bill Nelson, and they sort of decide everything together. They are hearing from people now about that, and that has not happened here in Florida for a long time.

She appears to be getting things together, and my friend (a state committee woman) says Luis Navarro is doing a super job as political director.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 10:52 AM
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25. All I can say is get active. Get going.
The grassroots aggressively worked to change the Democratic Party in California starting in the 1960s and instituted structures that permit ordinary people who are active at the local level and participate in the decisions made at the top level. It's still imperfect, but democracy can be achieved even in political party structures. The structures to increase wide participation have to be structured in, written into the By-Laws that govern the conduct and organization of the state party. Otherwise you just put a different set of individuals into the smoke-filled room.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 01:08 AM
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18. Dean is making the Party relevant again -- thank God
If the Democrats take the House this November

10 members of the Progressive Caucus would become chairmen of committees

John Conyers becomes Chairman of the Judiciary Committee

https://www.democrats.org/page/contribute
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 01:09 AM
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19. I recommended your great post on that.
Was going to make a comment, and got sidetracked with keeping Carville's "smoke-filled room" blowing back in his face. I try to like him, I really do...but..
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 01:17 AM
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20. thanks a lot...I hope this point ground gets some attention...
Edited on Sun Feb-05-06 01:22 AM by Douglas Carpenter
and I really did make a donation to the DNC in response to your other post...

I gave every penny to the DNC I could afford and then some back in 2004 so I kind of felt like I had bought a life time membership...but your post motivated me to give to the DNC again...finally

_______________________

https://www.democrats.org/page/contribute
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 11:04 AM
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26. "Of course, the fruits of this strategy aren't concentrated "
MF, this particular quote--does it come from Carville and Begala's book? It's not clear from your post.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:02 PM
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28. From the post I linked to.
at Kos. It is his statement. He is referring to the Hotline piece on the 50 state strategy, he quotes from it, then he says that.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 12:09 PM
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29. Make that Greenberg, sorry. And Carville's group is Democracy Corps.
http://www.democracycorps.com/

Most of their files were pdf to search on, so I did not bother today. I need to download the new version of Adobe reader, but I hear it is slower than this one.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 10:39 PM
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30. The down arrow chart with DNC at the bottom...managed to crop a pic of it.
Organizing Precincts: Grassroots in Action



Here are the words from the top down:

Grassroots activist

Precinct volunteer

Precinct coordinator

Elected/Appointed Precinct Captain

County Party

Democratic Party Field Organizer

State Party

DNC


This is a whole new way of organizing.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 12:33 AM
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31. I keep posting this information, but I don't know if anyone reads it:
" Camp Wellstone is a weekend-long training program that provides hands-on, practical training in grassroots politics to citizen activists, campaign workers, and people interested in running for office.



http://www.wellstone.org/camp/schedule.aspx


Local and national experts on campaign management, field organizing, communications, and grassroots advocacy, and organization building will be on-hand to instruct and work with you one-on-one to develop the skills needed to take our country back.

This is no social get together; the training is an intensive two-day series of sessions and workshops geared toward your particular political landscape. We develop the program so you can go out and actually use the skills you learn as soon as you get home. We follow up with you to make sure you have the support you need in your communities.
.


http://www.democracyforamerica.com/training.php
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 01:01 AM
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32. I read it. I hear they are very intense sessions. No goofing off.
I have some friends that have been to the DFA trainings. They are great ideas.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-06-06 09:31 AM
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33. Cool. I'll be going to my first one
this coming weekend.
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