Jamie Gorelick built the wall that let 9-11 happen

[bigbrother05]

now she is the reason they can do the NSA data mining?

They (the Repukes) vilified her during the 9-11 Commission for being the person in Clinton's Justice Dept that "built" the wall that kept the intelligence community from sharing the pre-9-11 data and so they couldn't stop it.

Now, Sessions (and who thinks he or his staff really came up with this) pulls out the little gem that Jamie argued that the Prez has all the authority necessary to conduct warrantless searches.

Only one problem, the FISA law was amended to regulate what Clinton had done (it was not covered when he did it, a distinction lost on the RW) by a Repub Congress to "rein in" someone they thought was trying to "wag the dog".

If this bunch of asshats were as focused on doing the people's business instead of doing it to the people, ....

Well we can all fill in the blanks on how things could be better than they are.

[boobooday]

1. The so-called "Gorelick wall" is one of their memes

The Freepers will be in ecstasy that it came up during the hearings. It is their mechanism for blaming Clinton for their failures on 9/11.

[bigbrother05]

8. Hatch brought it up again. Gorelick justified

warrantless "physical" searches as a part of an argument supporting the gathering of evidence against Aldrich Ames. At the time, the FISA law only covered electronic surveillance, not physical searches. Feinstein had contacted Gorelick who provide a letter outlining the context of her testimony and how it had been superseded by the FISA revision.

The "Gorelick wall" is indeed a RW meme. She had merely reviewed and recommended the continuation of an executive order (I think)established after Nixon and reaffirmed under both Reagan's and Poppy's administration. The RW loves to bring this up to say that it was Clinton's fault they couldn't connect the dots to prevent 9-11. Of course they forget about all the transition briefings about terrorism being the biggest threat and the PDB saying "Osama wants to strike".

Nothing really new, Clinton did everything wrong and/or Clinton did it first, so either way you can't blame the Chimp.

[EST]

2. It was a different issue, different context.

I suppose these idiots know their audience and will keep delivering the swill that their sycophants crave.

[Wilms]

3. Jamie Gorelick built the wall that prevented 9-11 questions being asked.

Didn't realize the freepers hate her, but I'm not sure she's on our side, either.

[Canuckistanian]

11. They don't hate her, it's just fake outrage

If what she did was so bad, how come there wasn't a peep of protest while she was "building the wall"?

[BOSSHOG]

4. Republican senators know their audience

Its like the Geico Gecco talking to the lizards to go spread the word. Sessions and the rest care not one fuck about the truth, they just want to get their mindless drones to parrot them. I still hear that Sudan offered to give bin laden to Clinton on a "silver platter." Parrots are the source of the "conservative" movements strength. Not the truth.

[chaumont58]

5. You are dealing with people who have no concept of the truth

Even if they did have the concept down cold, they wouldn't care. Repukes will lie when the truth would serve them better.

[emulatorloo]

6. this should be the standard response "You are either the dumbest person

ever born or a bold faced liar."

thier arguments are preposterous and based on cynical and willful misinterpretation of the facts.

(I wish I could take credit for that line, but hats off to Judge Marilyn Milian, The People's Court -- how I would love to see her interrogate torture boy)

[A Simple Game]

7. FISA law was amended to regulate what Clinton had done

(it was not covered when he did it, a distinction lost on the RW) by a Repub Congress to "rein in" someone they thought was trying to "wag the dog".

That is the only explanation we need. If Clinton did it, then * can do it, it's only fair and only then could it be Clinton's fault.

Oh, and one other detail, laws enacted by Republicans only apply to Democrats, I thought everyone already knew that!

[Canuckistanian]

12. All good points

Although Senator Biden cleared up the "physical search" vs "wiretap" distinction today.

(BTW, we're practically neighbors! I'm near Ottawa.)

[A Simple Game]

14. Howdy neighbor! n/t

[radio4progressives]

9. they're totally bullshitting.. Gorelic laid the foundation for more secret

domestic spying "programs".

gorelic is just as evil/gestapo as these creeps are.

please people, remember the 9/11 cover up commission report?

evil fuckers all.

gorelick was just as much a part of the cover up as all these slime balls were.

defending anything gorelick did, you might as well be defending what Bush and Gonzo et al are doing.

[bigbrother05]

13. Don't think I ventured an opinion about Ms. Gorelick

personally. Just recalling how during the 9-11 Commission hearings the RW went on at length to paint her as a part of the problem that prevented effective intelligence and now they are citing her as a precedent for their "effective" intelligence.

Think they are wrong on both accounts, but have operated on the premise that everything they (RW) say is a lie/misrepresentation since Dec 2000.

[Bushwick Bill]

17. Exactly right.

As painful as it is to believe, that 9/11 coverup has to involve some left gatekeeping. When Sibel Edmonds says that 10 high profile Americans are tied to 9/11 by money funding campaigns, drug trade, and terrorism, I'll betcha a Dem or two is involved. This would explain putting people like Gorelick on the 9/11 Commission. Anyway, my attitude is to let naive Weldon do his thing with Able Danger and try to blow up the official story.

[radio4progressives]

19. yes.. left gate keepers were the most vociferous in shutting down 9/11

investigation... david corn and chip berlet immediately and intensely ran interference operations on questions asked, investigations, discussions, radio interviews and books, such as David Ray Griffin's New Pearl Harbor and the most recent one on unanswered questions, following the 9/11 cover up commission.

anyone watching the 9/11 cover up commission hearings, had to come away from that knowing that every single member on that panel had one mission and one mission only, to cover up the truth and put out a meaningless report to pretend to be performing a public service. everytime a democrat makes reference to that fucking cover up report i want to fucking puke it's bad enough to know that the repukes will do anything to cover up for their fuhrer, but for democrats to do the same makes me nauseaus.

[AtomicKitten]

10. ThinkProgress already debunked the RW Gorelick smears.

Here: http://thinkprogress.org/2005/08/19/gorelick-ignorance/

Although I see the same people more than willing to follow the RW trash and burn of Democrats.
So predictable.

[0007]

15. Sessions could find his dick if it was in his hand.

[erpowers]

16. Wall Thing Bogus

I think this wall thing with Gorelick is bogus and has been proven to be bogus. I recall hearing a story on the radio that claimed that Ashcroft and the Bush Justice Department was just wrong when they interrputed the rules. From what I heard Ashcroft was telling people they could not do certain things in regard to finding terrorists and then after 9/11 judges were consulted about the issues. On each occasion the judges told the Justice Department that they had either interrputed the rule wrong or gave the exact opposite interrpution of the rule then what the rule actually meant. I do not know what source this information came from, but I think I heard it on Democracy Now. I think there was a man on who said that Bush Administration Justice Department just messed up everything in that regard. Does anyone else recall hearing any infromation like this?

[underpants]

18. Goreleick simply wrote a template to work with and Ashcroft signed off

on it.

There is a much longer explanation but that it your talking point on this.

Gorelick just wrote up a paper so everyone was on the same page and knew where we were at. Everyone agreed to use it to start whittling down the wall or supporting it. It simply stated where we were at that time. No one had ever put it down on paper until the adults were in charge.