Democrats in Two Southern States Push Bills on Bible Study! DLC!

[Free the Press]

http://www.scdlc.org/content/news_article.asp?id=1495

"Democrats in Two Southern States Push Bills on Bible Study
January 27, 2006

"WASHINGTON, Jan. 26 — Democrats in Georgia and Alabama, borrowing an idea usually advanced by conservative Republicans, are promoting Bible classes in the public schools. Their Republican opponents are in turn denouncing them as 'pharisees,' a favorite term of liberals for politicians who exploit religion.

"Democrats in both states have introduced bills authorizing school districts to teach courses modeled after a new textbook, 'The Bible and Its Influence.' It was produced by the nonpartisan, ecumenical Bible Literacy Project and provides an assessment of the Bible's impact on history, literature and art that is academic and detached, if largely laudatory.

"The Democrats who introduced the bills said they hoped to compete with Republicans for conservative Christian voters. 'Rather than sitting back on our heels and then being knocked in our face, we are going to respond in a thoughtful way,' said Kasim Reed, a Georgia state senator from Atlanta and one of the sponsors of the bill. 'We are not going to give away the South anymore because we are unwilling to talk about our faith.'

"In Georgia, the proposal marked a new course for the Democratic Party. The state's Democrats, including some sponsors of the bill, opposed a Republican proposal a few years ago to authorize the teaching of a different Bible course, which used a translation of the Scriptures as its text, calling it an inappropriate endorsement of religion. The sponsors say they are introducing their Bible measure now partly to pre-empt a potential Republican proposal seeking to display the Ten Commandments in schools.

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Hey, I have a great idea!

Let's all register as Republicans, join PNAC, and do as Republicans do!

Then we can win elections and do the same thing they are doing!

Great idea, eh?

I know it's already been done to the Democratic Party, though most registered Democrats don't know it!

[Free the Press]

1. The South Carolina Democratic Leadership Council (SC-DLC)

http://www.scdlc.org/content/aboutus/scdlcphilosophy.asp

SCDLC Philosophy!

"The South Carolina Democratic Leadership Council (SC-DLC) is the statewide affiliate of the highly successful national Democratic Leadership Council, a grass roots membership group founded in 1985 to bring new progressive ideas into the Democratic Party.

..."

[snowbear]

4. Georgia and Alabama, huh?

Well.. I dunno Free Press. Sounds to me like they're pissing off Rove by beating him to the punch.

[AtomicKitten]

71. yahtzee!!!!

I appreciate the irony, Larissa.

[fooj]

2. Look. You either abide by the rule of law and our Constitution...

OR YOU DON'T! It's that simple.

Peace.

[Oerdin]

6. I'd be against teaching religion in school

but if they're talking about a comparative religion course where people learn about a number of religions along with their basic tenents then that would be ok. It would be hard to prevent fundimentalist teachers from turning it into a bible study course though.

[MatrixEscape]

29. Could we manage

to find a way to teach school in religion?

Wow, turnabout is fair play.

I want to get education into a religious context.

When a minister or priest wants to teach creation, it only makes sense to have a bona fide scientist come in and present the empirical evidence that contradicts that perspective.

Oh, wait! That is what we have to do AFTER we are in the full brunt of the Theocracy that DU'ers still deny as Bush's Rule lays all of our false assumptions down before his own idea of the Lord.

Sorry! This is a pre-emptive strike. You are all still playing politic as usual while you struggle to push away the new paradigm.

[The Magistrate]

3. Have You Looked Into The Matter Closely, Sir

It may not be quite what you are presenting it as....

http://www.bibleliteracy.org/Site/PressRoom/index.htm

[Wilms]

7. Yep. It may be a brilliant maneuver.

Let them have a debate in class. Then move on to "Catcher in the Rye", etc.

[The Magistrate]

10. That Is My View Of It As Well, Sir

The promotors of this text seem a reasonably decent bunch, at least to this old infidel's eyes....

[greyl]

17. The text itself is more important than who is promoting it.

The advertising industry is well aware that "testimonials" (appeal to authority/celebrity) convince consumers to buy something in lieu of actual data relevant to the product.

[The Magistrate]

19. It Will Doubtless Be Friendly To the Book, Sir

But the materials you have provided do not establish it will be pernicious, not by a long sight.

[greyl]

22. You didn't look at the materials I provided in less than 12 minutes. nt

[The Magistrate]

26. As A Matter Of Fact, Sir

"I took a speed-reading course once. I read 'War and Peace' in fifteen minutes. It's about Russia."

[greyl]

28. I don't want to cut this short

but I want to cut this short.
I've invested time in investigating and discussing this issue a few weeks ago, so, personally, I'm off to other things.
I'll check back to see how the discussion went at a later date.

[Adelante]

70. LOL

Magistrate, you crack me up sometimes :toast:

[laheina]

11. I haven't seen the book yet

or examined the site very closely, but it doesn't look too bad. I would be more impressed if the Society of Biblical Literature was involved, but that's usually graduate stuff. :shrug:

[laheina]

5. I have to disagree.

Teaching the bible as literature and in its historical context is vastly different from studying it as literal truth. It will get many of these kids thinking about all kinds of things that they probably haven't before.

It's like a fire break for conservative fundamentalism, and it speaks to the values of the bible belt. Something that democrats don't do very well. If they manage it well, it may not be a bad idea.

[Wilms]

9. "Fire Break". Wonderful analogy. n/t

[laheina]

14. Thanks

:blush:

[Dr Fate]

8. It seems to be a neutral class that passes the Establishment Clause...

I'm no expert but I have read a bit about it...

[madeline_con]

12. Are we taking this literally, or...

is this just a spinned out way of reporting about a philosophy class that's using a new textbook?

[laheina]

13. Not philosophy.

I would say more humanities.

[madeline_con]

18. O.K. but notr a violation of the Establishment Clause? n/t

[laheina]

36. Got me there

My background is in religious studies and philosophy of science. :shrug:

[greyl]

15. Yes, this is indoctrination disguised as education, a al Int. Design.

This is NOT the Bible as literature.
It's being sold as The Bible as Lit, but a case has not been made that the product delivers on the promises of the commercial.
To be clear, I think the Bible as Lit is fine.
This is not the Bible as Lit.
This is THE POSITIVE SPIN ON THE BIBLE'S INFLUENCE
As such, it is bullshit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2396798
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=263x14926

I'll go ahead and paste the Table of contents. This doesn't look at all like an objective, non-sectarian, suitable for public schools textbook at all. Unless George Carlin taught the class, that is.

Unit One: Introductions

* Chapter 1 Why Study the Bible?
* Chapter 2 Introduction to the Hebrew Bible
* Unit Feature: Biblical Allusions

Unit Two: Genesis—Origins

* Chapter 3 In the Beginning
* Chapter 4 From the Garden to the Tower
* Unit Feature: Milton and the Bible

Unit Three: Genesis—Call and Promise

* Chapter 5 Abraham and Sarah
* Chapter 6 Ancestors
* Unit Feature: Literary Views of Abraham and Isaac

Unit Four: Exodus and the Land of Promise

* Chapter 7 Out of Slavery
* Chapter 8 The Wilderness and the Law
* Chapter 9 The Promised Land
* Unit Feature: Exodus and Emancipation

Unit Five: Kingdom and Exile

* Chapter 10 David the King
* Chapter 11 The Kingdom Falls
* Unit Feature: Exile and Return

Unit Six: The Prophets

* Chapter 12 Warning and Comfort
* Chapter 13 Called to Account
* Unit Feature: Thirst for Justice

Unit Seven: Writings and Wisdom

* Chapter 14 Songs and Poetry
* Chapter 15 Bits of Wisdom
* Chapter 16 More Wisdom
* Chapter 17 The Problem of Suffering
* Chapter 18 Women of Valor
* Chapter 19 Visions of the Future
* Chapter 20 Renewed Commitment
* Unit Feature: The Bible and Shakespeare


# Section Two: The New Testament

Unit Eight: Another Covenant

* Chapter 21 Living Tradition
* Chapter 22 Other Jewish Texts in the Christian Bible
* Chapter 23 New Testament
* Unit Feature: A Summary of Literary Genres in the Bible

Unit Nine: The Four Gospels

* Chapter 24 Mark
* Chapter 25 Matthew
* Chapter 26 Luke
* Chapter 27 John
* Unit Feature: Parables of Mercy

Unit Ten: The Early Christian Community

* Chapter 28 The Birth of the Church
* Chapter 29 The Church Grows
* Chapter 30 The Journeys of Paul
* Unit Feature: A Death with Meaning

Unit Eleven: The Letters of Paul

* Chapter 31 Grace and Faith
* Chapter 32 The Power of Love
* Chapter 33 The Christian Community
* Chapter 34 Social Order
* Unit Feature: Augustine

Unit Twelve: Other Letters

* Chapter 35 The Fulfillment
* Chapter 36 General Letters
* Unit Feature: The Legacy of the Reformation

Unit Thirteen: Revelation

* Chapter 37 Crisis and Persecution
* Chapter 38 A Great Battle
* Chapter 39 A New Jerusalem
* Unit Feature: Dante’s Purgatorio

Unit Fourteen: Epilogue

* Chapter 40 The Bible and Literacy
* Unit Feature: Freedom and Faith in America


http://www.bibleliteracy.org/Site/PressRoom/Press200509...

[madeline_con]

20. These two suggest a New Order...

* Chapter 33 The Christian Community
* Chapter 34 Social Order

Or an old one, made new to control the masses again.

[Bridget Burke]

63. Do you prefer the curriculum already being used in Public Schools?

The existing curriculum, from the National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools, has a more specific Right Wing Religious slant. Recently, the Odessa, Texas, school district debated which curriculum to adopt.

The Texas Freedom Network, which commissioned its study after the vote in Odessa, is sharp in its criticism. "As many as 52 Texas public school districts and 1,000 high schools across the country are using an aggressively marketed, blatantly sectarian Bible curriculum that interferes with the freedom of all families to pass on their own religious values to their children," it said.

In one teaching unit, students are told, "Throughout most of the last 2,000 years, the majority of men living in the Western world have accepted the statements of the Scriptures as genuine." The words are taken from the Web site of Grant R. Jeffrey Ministries' Prophecy on Line.

The national council's efforts are endorsed by the Center for Reclaiming America, Phyllis Schlafly's group the Eagle Forum, Concerned Women for America and the Family Research Council, among others....

The course's broad statements about the Bible being the blueprint for the nation are askew, said Mr. Haynes of the Freedom Forum, part of a nonpartisan ecumenical group promoting the Bible Literacy Project textbook. "If the Bible is a blueprint for the Constitution," he said, "I guess they haven't read it," referring to the Constitution.....

Tracey Kiesling, the national council's national teacher trainer, said the course offered "scientific documentation" on the flood and cites as a scientific authority Carl Baugh, described by Mrs. Kiesling as "an internationally known creation scientist who founded the Creation Evidence Museum in Glen Rose, Tex."

http://www.theocracywatch.org/schools_bible_study_times_aug1_05.htm

Odessa picked the National Council's version.

If it were up to me, The Bible could only be taught in a comprehensive comparative religion class. But the National Council's course is already being used. The Democrats are just suggesting a less loathsome alternative.

[Le Taz Hot]

109. Hmmm, there seems to be a few chapters missing

such as:

The Crusades
The Witch Hunts
How the Bible was used to justify Slavery
How the Bible was used by the European Religious Community to Justify Looking the Other Way While Jews Were Being Carted Off to Death Camps (they don't believe in JAYSUS!)

Sorry, if people don't see this as a fundie back door, they're not paying attention. And since when is teaching only the positive side of anything considered a valid education?

On Edit: Speeling

[kick_them_hard]

16. It says it is only an elective

so you do n't have to take that class if you do n't want to. I read some and it looks good to me. Doesn't look like a true bible reading class, more like a discussion about christianity.

[greyl]

21. If there were an elective class designed by Exxon

on "The oil industry and it's influence", how would you feel?

Is it ok for public schools to provide one-sided bs so long as the class is offered as an elective?

[The Magistrate]

24. Everything In Schools Is 'One-Sided BS', Sir

Their purpose, for better or worse, is to inculcate social norms; education is a by-product, like civil order is a by-product of the establishment of police to protect property....

[greyl]

27. Science is not one sided BS.

Music is not one sided BS.
Art is not one sided BS.
Math is not one sided BS.
Philosophy is not one sided BS.
Language is not one sided BS.

Look more closely at the actually text used in this class that should be titled "Only the positive influence of the Bible on earth need be thought about".

[The Magistrate]

30. With The Possible Exception Of Mathematics And Science, Sir

All the rest are indeed as characterized, at least as they are commonly taught in primary and high school grades, and indeed in most colleges.

[laheina]

37. Math and science too.

Science is characterized by the prevailing paradigm, and some theorize that our understanding of math only reflects what we need it to be--like different logics. Everything has a point of view. The question is just which one we are getting.

I think that I've just passed my threshold for sleepy silliness. Night all. :hi:

[Free the Press]

23. Why exclusively the Bible? Why not the Torah and Koran? Anyone?

[Dr Fate]

31. This opens the door for that- nation wide-does it not? n/t

n/t

[Free the Press]

33. If this Bill becomes law, it may never lead to Torah and Koran literature.

n/t

[Dr Fate]

34. It would open the door to more comparative religion classes. n/t

n/t

[laheina]

38. Which I don't think would be a bad thing. nt

[laheina]

39. Torah is generally

defined as the first five books of the old testament. The TANAKH is more like the Jewish bible, and is what many protestants refer to as the old testament. Although I think that the translation is an important factor, because some translations are skewed or just bad.

The Koran is a whole other ball of wax. Although it is based on the religions of the book, i.e. Judaism and Christianity, so knowledge of the bible, I am told, has value in the study of Islam.

[Free the Press]

41. Thank you for the clarification.

[snowbear]

25. Do a quick check on Google of Kasim Reed - VERY popular in GA

Sounds like he's doing a great job; especially with education causes.. and is very well liked by his constituents.

[Dr Fate]

32. Repubs are not going to like teaching Bible events as "literature."

Arguably, this book will make some kids think the Bible is just an old story.

[laheina]

40. That's a drawback.

Generally, they like stuff their way or no way. Especially religious stuff.

[farmboxer]

35. People are sick of Republicans! They don't need to become

fascist Republicans to win an election. Damn, all they have to do is campaign on the truth! Tell the damned truth about the Republicans/Bush & Pals!

[wyldwolf]

42. The article originally appeared on the NY Times.

Is the NY Times DLC?

And which of the Democrats who are sponsoring this are DLC?

[Free the Press]

44. Attributions are present in the links.

[wyldwolf]

45. The article originally appeared on the NY Times.

The article originally appeared on the NY Times.

Is the NY Times DLC?

And which of the Democrats who are sponsoring this are DLC?

[Moochy]

46. That wasnt hard, next question

Ken Guin, Majority Leader, AL

"We have always had to somewhat defend ourselves from the national Democratic Party's secular image, and this is part of that," said Ken Guin, a representative from Carbon Hill, leader of the Democratic majority in the State House and a sponsor of the measure.

"Is the NY Times DLC?" :eyes: nice dust cloud you are kicking up there.

[wyldwolf]

54. Thank you. So that makes it a DLC bill?

John Kerry sponsored S.300. Is that a DLC bill?

[MrBenchley]

56. By the way, aren't there TWO bills in TWO different states?

Guess this e-e-e-eevil DLC member is able to influence the other state legislature by projecting his astral essence across the miles, or something (snicker)....

[wyldwolf]

58. Look at all these bills sponsored by John Kerry.

Each must be a DLC bill.

1. S.CON.RES.84 : A concurrent resolution recognizing the sacrifices made by members of the regular and reserve components of the Armed Forces, expressing concern about their safety and security, and urging the Secretary of Defense to take immediate steps to ensure that the reserve components are provided with the same equipment as regular components.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 11/21/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Armed Services
Latest Major Action: 11/21/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Armed Services.
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2. S.300 : A bill to award a congressional gold medal to Jackie Robinson (posthumously), in recognition of his many contributions to the Nation, and to express the sense of Congress that there should be a national day in recognition of Jackie Robinson.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 2/4/2003) Cosponsors (69)
Committees: Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
Latest Major Action: 10/20/2003 Held at the desk.
Note: For further action, see H.R. 1900, which became Public Law 108-101 on 10/29/2003.


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3. S.305 : A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to include in the criteria for selecting any project for the low-income housing credit whether such project has high-speed Internet infrastructure.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 2/5/2003) Cosponsors (1)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 2/5/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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4. S.318 : A bill to provide emergency assistance to nonfarm-related small business concerns that have suffered substantial economic harm from drought.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 2/5/2003) Cosponsors (19)
Committees: Senate Small Business and Entrepreneurship; House Small Business
Latest Major Action: 4/1/2003 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on Small Business.


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5. S.503 : A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to allow increase the minimum tax credit where stock acquired pursuant to an incentive stock option is sold or exchanged at a loss.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 3/4/2003) Cosponsors (3)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 3/4/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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6. S.530 : A bill to amend title 5, United States Code, to create a presumption that a disability or death of a Federal employee in fire protection activities caused by any of certain diseases is the result of the performance of such employee's duty.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 3/5/2003) Cosponsors (1)
Committees: Senate Governmental Affairs
Latest Major Action: 6/20/2003 Referred to Senate subcommittee. Status: Committee on Governmental Affairs referred to Subcommittee on Financial Management, the Budget, and International Security.


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7. S.577 : A bill to establish the Freedom's Way National Heritage Area in the States of Massachusetts and New Hampshire, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 3/7/2003) Cosponsors (3)
Committees: Senate Energy and Natural Resources
Latest Major Action: 3/7/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources.


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8. S.633 : A bill to modify the contract consolidation requirements in the Small Business Act, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 3/17/2003) Cosponsors (5)
Committees: Senate Small Business and Entrepreneurship
Latest Major Action: 3/17/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship.


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9. S.822 : A bill to create a 3-year pilot program that makes small, non-profit child care businesses eligible for SBA 504 loans.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 4/8/2003) Cosponsors (16)
Committees: Senate Small Business and Entrepreneurship
Latest Major Action: 4/8/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship.


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10. S.842 : A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide tax relief for small businesses, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 4/9/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 4/9/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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11. S.875 : A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to allow an income tax credit for the provision of homeownership and community development, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 4/10/2003) Cosponsors (45)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 4/10/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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12. S.1011 : A bill to amend title II of the Social Security Act to restrict the application of the windfall elimination provision to individuals whose combined monthly income from benefits under such title and other monthly periodic payments exceeds $2,000 and to provide for a graduated implementation of such provision on amounts above such $2,000 amount.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 5/7/2003) Cosponsors (5)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 5/7/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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13. S.1112 : A bill to amend title 38, United States Code, to permit Department of Veterans Affairs pharmacies to dispense medications on prescriptions written by private practitioners to veterans who are currently awaiting their first appointment with the Department for medical care, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 5/22/2003) Cosponsors (2)
Committees: Senate Veterans' Affairs
Latest Major Action: 5/22/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Veterans' Affairs.


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14. S.1254 : A bill to amend the Small Business Act to direct the Administrator of the Small Business Administration to establish a vocational and technical entrepreneurship development program.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 6/12/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Small Business and Entrepreneurship
Latest Major Action: 6/12/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship.


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15. S.1255 : A bill to amend the Small Business Act to direct the Administrator of the Small Business Administration to establish a pilot program to provide regulatory compliance assistance to small business concerns, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 6/12/2003) Cosponsors (12)
Committees: Senate Small Business and Entrepreneurship
Latest Major Action: 6/12/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship.


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16. S.1310 : A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide that the harbor maintenance tax is applied to certain ports that import cargo exceeding $100,000,000 in value per year.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 6/23/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 6/23/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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17. S.1386 : A bill to amend titles 10 and 14, United States Code, to provide for the use of gold in the metal content of the Medal of Honor.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 7/10/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Armed Services
Latest Major Action: 7/10/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services.


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18. S.1411 : A bill to establish a National Housing Trust Fund in the Treasury of the United States to provide for the development of decent, safe, and affordable housing for low-income families, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 7/15/2003) Cosponsors (21)
Committees: Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
Latest Major Action: 7/15/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs.


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19. S.1595 : A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to allow small business employers a credit against income tax with respect to employees who participate in the military reserve components and are called to active duty and with respect to replacement employees and to allow a comparable credit for activated military reservists who are self-employed individuals, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 9/9/2003) Cosponsors (11)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 9/9/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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20. S.1739 : A bill to provide duty-free treatment for certain tuna.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 10/16/2003) Cosponsors (1)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 10/16/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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21. S.1782 : A bill to provide duty-free treatment for certain tuna.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 10/23/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 10/23/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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22. S.1838 : A bill to require payments to State and local governments for infrastructure and social services needs in the same amount as the amount of relief and reconstruction funds provided to Iraq.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 11/6/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 11/6/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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23. S.1873 : A bill to require employees at a call center who either initiate or receive telephone calls to disclose the physical location of such employees, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 11/17/2003) Cosponsors (7)
Committees: Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation
Latest Major Action: 11/17/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation.


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Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 11/18/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 11/18/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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25. S.1885 : A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide tax incentives for manufacturing businesses in the United States.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 11/18/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Finance
Latest Major Action: 11/18/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance.


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26. S.1886 : A bill to amend the Small Business Act and the Small Business Act of 1958 to establish the National Office for the Development of Small Manufacturers, to increase the level of assistance available for small manufacturers, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 11/18/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Committees: Senate Small Business and Entrepreneurship
Latest Major Action: 11/18/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship.


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27. S.1958 : A bill to prevent the practice of late trading by mutual funds, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 11/25/2003) Cosponsors (1)
Committees: Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
Latest Major Action: 11/25/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs.


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Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 12/9/2003) Cosponsors (1)
Committees: Senate Armed Services
Latest Major Action: 12/9/2003 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services.


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Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 3/9/2004) Cosponsors (14)
Committees: Senate Small Business and Entrepreneurship
Latest Major Action: 3/9/2004 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship.


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Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 3/31/2004) Cosponsors (10)
Committees: Senate Small Business and Entrepreneurship
Latest Major Action: 3/31/2004 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship.


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31. S.AMDT.9 to H.J.RES.2 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 1/16/2003) Cosponsors (3)
Latest Major Action: 1/16/2003 Senate amendment submitted


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32. S.AMDT.129 to H.J.RES.2 To authorize the use of certain funds previously appropriated to the Small Business Administration for loan guarantee subsidies under section 7(a) of the Small Business Act.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 1/21/2003) Cosponsors (4)
Latest Major Action: 1/23/2003 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 129 as modified agreed to in Senate by Voice Vote.


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33. S.AMDT.255 to Treaty 107-8 To provide an additional condition.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 3/6/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 3/6/2003 Senate amendment not agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 255 not agreed to in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 45 - 50. Record Vote Number: 42.


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34. S.AMDT.281 to S.CON.RES.23 To increase the budget allocation for programs to combat the global HIV/AIDS epidemic and to reduce the deficit.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 3/19/2003) Cosponsors (5)
Latest Major Action: 3/26/2003 Senate amendment not agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 281 not agreed to in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 47 - 51. Record Vote Number: 104.


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35. S.AMDT.397 to S.CON.RES.23 To provide for a $150 billion revenue stimulus for fiscal years 2003 and 2004 without adding to the long-term debt.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 3/21/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 3/25/2003 Senate amendment not agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 397 not agreed to in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 37 - 62. Record Vote Number: 100.


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36. S.AMDT.448 to S.762 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 4/2/2003) Cosponsors (2)
Latest Major Action: 4/2/2003 Senate amendment submitted


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37. S.AMDT.591 to S.1054 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 5/14/2003) Cosponsors (1)
Latest Major Action: 5/14/2003 Senate amendment submitted


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38. S.AMDT.640 to S.1054 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 5/15/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 5/15/2003 Senate amendment submitted


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39. S.AMDT.641 to S.1054 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 5/15/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 5/15/2003 Senate amendment submitted


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40. S.AMDT.642 to S.1054 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 5/15/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 5/15/2003 Senate amendment submitted


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41. S.AMDT.643 to S.1054 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 5/15/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 5/15/2003 Senate amendment submitted


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42. S.AMDT.828 to S.1050 To authorize the transportation of dependents to the presence of members of the Armed Forces who are retired for illness or injury as a result of active duty.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 5/22/2003) Cosponsors (1)
Latest Major Action: 5/22/2003 Senate amendment agreed to. Status: Amendment SA 828 agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent.


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43. S.AMDT.879 to S.14 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 6/11/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 6/11/2003 Senate amendment submitted


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44. S.AMDT.940 to S.1 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 6/19/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 6/19/2003 Senate amendment submitted


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45. S.AMDT.958 to S.1 To increase the availability of discounted prescription drugs.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 6/20/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 6/27/2003 Proposed amendment SA 958 withdrawn in Senate.


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46. S.AMDT.1112 to S.1 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 6/26/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 6/26/2003 Senate amendment submitted


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47. S.AMDT.1129 to S.1 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 6/26/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 6/26/2003 Senate amendment submitted


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48. S.AMDT.1253 to H.R.2658 Purpose will be available when the amendment is proposed for consideration. See Congressional Record for text.
Sponsor: Sen Kerry, John F. (introduced 7/15/2003) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 7/15/2003 Senate amendment submitted

[MrBenchley]

61. Democrat Pushes for Troop Body Armor... DLC!!!

[wyldwolf]

62. A bill to award a congressional gold medal to Jackie Robinson - DLC!

[Moochy]

64. High five!

Yay for your dust cloud !

[wyldwolf]

65. hmmm. I don't see any bills on High Fives or dust clouds...

...but if they're nefarious, I'm sure the DLC is connected in some "Kevin Bacon six degrees of separation" way.

[MrBenchley]

73. Are you now or have you ever been a DLCer?

[Free the Press]

105. Nice phony veil of victimization. Too bad your analogy is Orwellian.

McCarthy conducted a communist cleansing.

Anti-DLC'ers are trying to conduct a corporate cleansing, especially a cleansing of the neoconservative intellectual capital and corporate money that the DLC was born of and raised on.

In the beginning the DLC was funded by and developed by ... fruit of the poison tree.

No matter how hard you hide behind a false analogy, no matter how many times you repeat the false analogy, no matter how many times you respond to charges against the DLC by putting forth this false analogy, the Joe McCarthy analogy will never apply to the DLC, except that you keep falsely invoking it.

Congress will never hold hearings on the DLC. A US Senator will never elevate the DLC to such infamous distinction on the floor of the US Senate. DLC-ism will not spread like wildfire throughout this nation.

Maybe you need a new analogy?

Perhaps a picture of a witch being burned on a stake?

A witch hunt?

[MrBenchley]

108. Says the guy trying to start a witch hunt....

"Anti-DLC'ers are trying to conduct a corporate cleansing"
Much to the amusement of grown-ups. But Tailgunner Joe would have been right at home with the anti-DLCers' tactics and baseless smears.

[Moochy]

113. LOL nice one pops

"grown-ups"

:rofl:

Me grown-up, you little kid. I estimate that you've won over another two hundred or so to your cause with that post Benchley.

thanks for the genuine laugh, pops!



Have a nice day! :hi:

[Free the Press]

120. "Tailgunner Joe." Orwellian analogy?

http://www.vernonjohns.org/snuffy1186/tailgunr.html

"Sen. Joseph McCarthy and the Red Scare of the 1950s."

Is the idea is to portray the DLC as the victim of a wrongful attack on the scale of the Joe McCarthy communist hunt?

Have you seen, heard, or in any way come across any actions by a US Senator that frame the DLC in the same context that Joe McCarthy framed the communist influence on the Untied States?

Of course not!

Have you seen, heard, or in any way come across any US Senate or US House of Representative hearings that specifically seek to identify the DLC'ers in this country in order to eradicate them?

Of course not!

Sorry, Joe McCarthy had nothing to do with rooting out right-wing corporate neoconservative influence over the US Government, though this country would have been a better place if he had!

Communist and right-wing corporate neoconservative influence over the US Government and this nation are not related at all, except in that they are routinely invoked in false analogies.

These political and economic entities result in opposite effects: Communism and totalitarianism.

No US Senator will use their power to bring the DLC, corporations, neoconservative foundations and think tanks, or individuals that are supportive of the DLC to their knees on the floor of the US Senate.

To suggest this is so is PURE nonsense.

No US Senator will conduct a DLC hunt like Joe McCarthy did in hunting down alleged Communists in this nation.

To suggest that there should be concern that the DLC or its advocates or supporters will become victimized by this type of action is PURE nonsense.

The DLC is not the victim that DLC advocates and supporters portray it as.

Instead, this analogy is Orwellian, because it is exactly the opposite of the truth.

In fact, it kind of reminds me of a lot of the Republican use of Orwellian expressions in recent times, though I am not trying to state that the DLC advocates and supporters that invoke this false analogy are Republicans.

No, I would never do that!

[Moochy]

69. Keep knocking down your own strawman... n/t

[wyldwolf]

72. why, Mooch. Whatever do you mean?

You can post dung like that and still run away from the main point?

Just HOW does one state level DLC member in AL make two similar bills in two states a DLC bill?

[Moochy]

75. I claim your contention about the OP is a straw man

specifically, that you claim the OP is saying that the bill is a "DLC bill" is a straw man.

You asked a civil question, about the bills sponsors, and I replied after searching the article for who was quoted, and I found one. I allege no nefarious 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, links between the bill and the DLC.

Once confronted with this answer, you and your cohorts seemed to ignore it, as usual, and went on to pat each other on the back and throw smears around.

Particularly ironic since both of you tend toward anti-left witch hunt modalities like McCarthy did, you red-bait constantly and claim to speak for the middle.

"dung" ? I know that wolves are fecally fixated but c'mon, lets rise above our base natures mkay wolfie?

[wyldwolf]

76. I claim it isn't. He's the one who put "DLC" in the subject heading

you red-bait constantly

Really? Constantly?

[Moochy]

78. Well "often" might be more accurate

I'll give you that point, perhaps constantly was an overstatement, for you at least.

And regarding our conflicting claims, then lets' agree to disagree, or wait for Free the Press to return and clarify. But I read nothing that spells out the explicit link you claim that the OP is making.
Certainly it may be implied, but I'll wait for clarification.

And reading Bridget's post about the current curriculm's reputation, it does shed an intersting light on the motivation for the bill. ie. replacing a bad book with a more objective one.

have a nice day! :hi:

[wyldwolf]

79. Often?

sure. right.

and I have no conflicting claims.

[Moochy]

80. Reading is fundamental

You claim that the OP is saying one thing.
I claim he is not.

Those two claims are in conflict.

[wyldwolf]

81. yes it is. "Often?"

[Moochy]

47. Typically obtuse question

"is the NY Times DLC"
Who is claiming that the article is a DLC article? You always kick up dust like this, with an apparently rhetoricical question, but it betrays your (intentionally?) muddled thinking.

As if, to throw out the false assertion, that the OP is not making btw, tht the NYT must be controlled by organziation X in order to publish an article about a bill, from a politician with ties to organization X.

But you'll ignore this thread since it points out yer stinkin thinkin. Have a nice day! :hi:

[wyldwolf]

52. Typically obtuse answer

Look at the thread's title - "Democrats in Two Southern States Push Bills on Bible Study! DLC!"

Who is claiming that the article is a DLC article?

The OP, by posting the link to the reprint on a DLC website and not posting the link to the original source. That, combined with associating the point of the article with the DLC, shows the OP is trying to create a relationship between the two where none exists.

If the OP, by putting "DLC" in the OP's title, wants to make say the point of the article is DLC because it appears on a DLC website, surely that would also make the NY Times part of the grand DLC conspiracy by printing it as well.

But you'll ignore this thread since it points out yer stinkin thinkin. Have a nice day!

[Moochy]

53. Oh ok at least you said it

"Conspiracy" :yoiks: you allege some CT logic here, where it doesnt exist. run to the hills!!

have a nice day :hi: and thanks for stealing my lines, you unoriginal guy you.

[wyldwolf]

55. when you can't speak to the fact, personal attack

Just where in that cute little reply did you address my post?

[Moochy]

59. Your skin is extra thin today isnt it?

Personal attacks? Stinking Thinkin? that's a personal attack? oh my.

"OP is trying to create a relationship between the two where none exists."

re-reading the OP's title...

He's pointing out DLC backed politician is involved in the bill. Your extended story about a relationship between the two is well, your take on it.

[wyldwolf]

60. takes you a while, huh?

He's pointing out DLC backed politician is involved in the bill.

No, he's saying that because a state level politician in one state, who is a member of the DLC, is backing the bill, it is a DLC bill.

If not, he could have just left "DLC" out if it.

[Moochy]

66. Ah but then we'd all miss out on this terribly erudite discussion

that we are having here (coughs at the rhetorical dust cloud you both have kicked up)

If the OP left out DLC, he wouldnt have triggered the DLC boosters sirens, causing the five of you to jump to the keyboard, and we'd have been deprived of this enlightening example of projection from you and Benchley. ( re: McCarthy, re: alleging CT logic in the OP about the NYT, and your dust cloud about the bills sponsored by Kerry )

have a nice day :hi:

[wyldwolf]

67. Actually, if he'd left out the "DLC"

We would have seen a discussion of the merits (or non merits) of the bill (like what Magistrate did, for example)

Instead, he tried to pin the bill on the DLC.

[Name removed]

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[Moochy]

49. Particularly ironic

that you who hates the "left wing" calls the opposition "junior joe mccarthy"
Bizarro world Benchley logic at work. Typical.

to keep this civil (ahem)

The facts:
one of the co-sponsors of the bill, is in fact listed as a DLC member.

read it and weep, MrB.

[MrBenchley]

50. Yes, your post is ironic, mooch....

Thanks for coming along and proving my point....

"one of the co-sponsors of the bill, is in fact listed as a DLC member. "
BFD Since the DLC is an organization with lots of appeal to all but the far fringe of the party, I'd bet there's damn few Democratic bills anywhere that don't have a DLC member as one fof the co-sponsors.

[Moochy]

51. I was just answering the question posted by your loyal servant

He's listed as a co-sponsor, and wyldwolf and you patting each other on the back, chose to ignore the answer,I'm mereley stepping up and rubbing it in your smug face.

BFD? if it was not a BFD then why did wyldwolf ask the question as if this had no DLC sponsors?

"And which of the Democrats who are sponsoring this are DLC?"

You all should really coordinate your attacks by PM, get that unified messaging thing going.

[wyldwolf]

57. "why did wyldwolf ask the question as if this had no DLC sponsors?"

He didn't. He asked which sponsors were DLC. And, later, asked how one sponsor being a state level member of the DLC makes this a DLC bill.

[PassingFair]

99. "the DLC is an organization with lots of appeal to all but the far fringe

...of the party..."

:rofl:

The dlc has NO appeal whatsoever to about 95% of the informed posters on this board.

The general public would despise the dlc too, if they knew what they were responsible for.

People are figuring it out, though:

War, bankruptcy, appeasement and enabling.

[MrBenchley]

110. LOL!

Would those be the "informed posters" trying to pretend these are both DLC bills because the co-sponsor of one of them is a member of the DLC? (snicker)

"The general public would despise the dlc too"
And the dog ate your homework....

[Free the Press]

121. The DLC chameleon: Progressive, Moderate, Centrist, & Conservative!

All at the same time, depending on who is framing the propaganda for you.

Also, the money and neoconservative intellectual capital used to create the DLC and to sustain it, are not actually real, because they are not proven to be directly linked to the DLC.

Of course the DLC and its supportive organizations, the Progressive Policy Institute and the Third Way, are neither required to nor do completely open their books and organizational details to the general public.

That would only allow the average American to find out who and what the DLC actually represents.

Anyone have any links to the number of Americans who are members of the DLC?

The number of Registered Democrats?

Anyone have any links to the number of Americans who actually know what the DLC is or what it does?

The number of Registered Democrats?

Anyone have any links to DLC offices in the 50 states, and each of their major cities, the telephone and fax numbers of these offices, and the contact names of the DLC officials at these offices for average Americans to communicate with?

Anyone have the links to DLC documents that explain whether the average American or Democratic Party registered member is able to affect the policies of or the processes of the DLC, and how?

Anyone have any links that detail the democratic processes of the DLC and enable it to function as a Democratic organization for Registered Democrats?

I guess not.

[Bridget Burke]

43. The Bible is already being taught in the Public Schools.

The text the Democrats are recommending is much better than the one already in use. The most popular text comes from The National Council on Bible Curriculum in the Public Schools. Check out their links page:

www.bibleinschools.net/

Doctor Mark Chancey of Southern Methodist University critiqued the NCBCPS text for the Texas Freedom Network:

Dr. Chancey’s report reveals a curriculum with a clear sectarian bias that begins with the NCBCPS’s founder and its advisers and finds repeated expression in the pages of the textbook.....

* The NCBCPS curriculum goes beyond a study of the Bible as literature or a description of the importance of the Bible for beliefs and practices of religious groups. It, in fact, improperly endorses the Bible as the “Word of God.” It also attempts to persuade teachers and students to adopt views of the Bible that are common in some conservative Protestant circles but rejected by most scholars. While such views are certainly appropriate for individuals or religious groups, public schools should not present them as fact.

* The curriculum almost exclusively reflects views held by certain conservative Protestant groups. The role of the Bible in Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christian thought receives little attention.

* The curriculum depicts the United States as a historically Christian nation. It even erroneously implies that historians generally believe that the Bible, even more than the Constitution, is the nation’s “Founding Document.

Dr. Chancey’s report finds that shoddy research, factual errors, and problems with sourcing material also make the curriculum inappropriate for use in any classroom.

www.tfn.org/religiousfreedom/biblecurriculum/execsummary/

The Bible Literacy Project's text is more even-handed. If I were Empress, I'd ensure that Public Schools had all their other needs met before teaching The Bible, even as an elective. Then I'd include The Bible in a curriculum inspired by the works of Joseph Campbell.

But I'm not Empress. The Democrats are at least trying to get the less pernicious text into the schools--to replace the one already in use.

[greyl]

68. There are more than two texts available.

There's no good reason, in my eyes, to support this one or the one that is more popular.

edit: btw, hello again. :)

[Bridget Burke]

111. So supply links to the other texts in use....

As it is, the one you're slamming is the better one.

By the way, your DLC obsession is irrelevant here.

[greyl]

122. That does it.

What the fuck do you mean by my "DLC obsession"?
In that regard, you are totally ignorant and off base. I consider that an ad hominem that is totally irrelevant to this discussion.
If there was a class on PNAC, would you prefer a text produced by Wolfowitz and Halliburton, or by Kucinich and Dean?

To answer your question anyway, umm errr, how about THE BIBLE!?
The actual Bible would be my preference to these two apologetic marketing tools.

Alternatively, there's this:

What are good classroom resources for teaching about religion?

Teaching about religion in the public schools requires that sound academic resources be made readily available to classroom teachers. Fortunately, good classroom resources, especially in the social studies, are now available for helping teachers integrate appropriate study about religion. Two recent publications are examples of what is now available for study about religion in a secondary school classroom:

Religion in American Life is a 17-volume series written by leading scholars for young readers. Published by Oxford University Press, the series includes three chronological volumes on the religious history of the U.S., nine volumes covering significant religious groups (Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Orthodox Christians, Mormons, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Native Americans and others), and four volumes addressing specific topics of special importance for understanding the role of religion in American life (women and religion, church-state issues, African-American religion, and immigration). (For more information about the Oxford University Press series, call 800/451-7556.)

Columbia University Press has published a CD-ROM called “On Common Ground: World Religions in America.” This multimedia resource uses text, primary sources, photographs, music, film, and the spoken word to bring alive the extraordinary religious diversity in the United States. Fifteen religions in various regions of America are represented, from the long-established Christian, Jewish, and Native American traditions to the more recent arrivals such as Hinduism and Buddhism.
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/rel_liberty/publicschools/FAQs.aspx?printer-friendly=y

[AtomicKitten]

74. CLUE: Moderate politics plays in red states

Do any of you really expect Dennis Kucinich types to sell in the south?!

This obsession with the DLC is as tiresome as it is pointless.

The expectation some DU'ers have that ALL Democrats must toe the progressive line is mind-numbingly unrealistic and a sure platform for failure in red states.

[LincolnMcGrath]

82. Hogwash

Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee = Texas
Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney = Georgia
Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz = Florida
Congressman Kendrick Meek = Florida

I could list the members of the Congressional Black Caucus here as well, among others. Moderation sells in the south real well if that is all that is offered.

[paulk]

83. these people are all from liberal districts

it's not hogwash, it's political reality.

Could any of these people win a statewide election?

[LincolnMcGrath]

84. Liberal districts? Surely you mean heavily Dem, right?

And yes, these folks could win statewide.

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[LincolnMcGrath]

94. Paranoid and Crazy? Can I be both?

What predictions have I made?

What end of the spectrum am I on.

You sure spend a lot of time handing out insults trying to squash dissent for someone who claims not to align with the DLC. Why is that do you suppose?

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[AtomicKitten]

86. your expectations that the Democratic Party be uniform

in ideology - progressive - is as absurd as your accusations that the DLC is trying to impose their moderate/conservative ideology on the party faithful.

Because whether you like it or not, or even acknowledge it, a one-note party ain't gonna cover the bases across this country. The Democrats must place appropriate candidates to match the various districts and their differing ideologies across the country.

[LincolnMcGrath]

88. Where have I advocated a one party note?

I just want mealy-mouthed-hand-wringing-*-kissing-losers to go away.

Don't presume to speak for me when attempting to provide cover for your ideological preferences.

[AtomicKitten]

90. the entirety of your input here at DU is one note.

DLC = bad.
Everyone that doesn't agree with you = DLC.

Yeah, we get it.

And I prefer neither the DLC nor your obstinate tunnel vision.

[LincolnMcGrath]

91. Of course you have tons of links to back your phony charges, right?

I have opined on thousands of issues in my four years hear.

I have never labeled another DUer 'DLC' that I disagreed with, and your weak tactic of slander carries no weight in this thread or anywhere on DU.



Yeah, I get it. You are a phony.

[AtomicKitten]

92. yeah you did .... it just got deleted by the mods

[LincolnMcGrath]

93. Screen capture says otherwise.

I never called anyone a DLCer.

[AtomicKitten]

96. right - and monkeys might fly out my butt

[LincolnMcGrath]

98. I'll make you an offer.

Despite your countless unsolicited attacks on me in the is thread I offer the following.

I post the screen capture. In turn you post a solo thread in GD apologizing for calling me a liar, as well as other things I might add.


What say you?

[Moochy]

104. Look a flying monkey!

http://homepage.mac.com/dorlando/.Pictures/Blog%20Photo%20Archive2%20:C4/flying_monkey_masks.jpg

[paulk]

112. post the screen capture

don't just threaten it

[wyldwolf]

116. I'd like to see it, as well.

[MrBenchley]

127. Add me to the list....

[greyl]

128. me too. nt

[wyldwolf]

129. so where is the screen capture?

[PassingFair]

101. Southerners are ripe for true Populism.

They want healthy bodies and jobs.

They DON'T need "elites" telling them to get
back to their checkers game whilst the paternal
ones play chess.

Just what IS the "progressive line" anyway?
Care to elaborate?

[ulysses]

117. sorry, it's still pandering.

There's nothing that I can think of that you can learn from studying the Bible as literature that you can't learn from secular texts. It's poor education policy, and poor politics.

[PassingFair]

77. Where do we line up for Baptism?

We MUST make a stand for the separation of church and state
and it MUST be made by the religious left. We atheists are
not accorded a serious seat at the table.

Outrages such as the case in Michigan where the catholic
prisoner was told to renounce his faith should be blasting
on loudspeakers and from pulpits EVERY SUNDAY. EveryWHERE!

http://www.aclu.org/religion/govtfunding/22354prs20051206.html

[Pacifist Patriot]

100. Biblical literacy education is a great idea!

Then perhaps people will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff. In other words, hateful fundamentalist interpretations due to mistranslations and improper context. Maybe we wouldn't be were we are today if people were given a broader perspective on the Bible than the one from Falwell's pulpit. I'm not Christian but my children are darned well going to know the Bible so they can counter fundamentalist arguments using their own words.

[leesa]

102. There are so many more worthwhile texts to study...

[GreenPartyVoter]

103. I think this is a good idea. A lot of ecumenical studies are pretty tough

on the faith.

[WCGreen]

106. About thirty years ago....

We studied the Bible in English Class...

It was a great class....

[orleans]

107. no no no no no! No religion in a public school classroom! No!

it's a slippery slope. forget it.

go ahead and mention it in the context of a sociology class where students discuss the group behavior but i don't want public school to be studying any kind of religious teaching. forget it.

catholic? kids go to public school? take a ccd class one afternoon a week. i'm sure there are other types of programs for kids in other religions. but no studying religion in public school--doesn't matter what the context.

i have a problem with schools allowing prayer groups for students in the morning. it doesn't matter that it is student requested, student run (there has to be a faculty member present so forget it!)

i can't stress it enough: slippery slope.

it's a really bad idea.

[Strong Atheist]

114. Just what is NOT needed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=214&topic_id=45804&mesg_id=45804

[Roland99]

115. Two books should be the basis...

Who Wrote The Bible - Richard Elliott Friedman

From Jesus To Christianity - L. Michael White (basis for an amazing PBS documentary, too)

[depakid]

118. Let's all register as Republicans....and do as Republicans do!

LOL-

That's about the long and short of it.

And the Dems wonder why they lose.

And why they'll keep losing.

[CornField]

119. This isn't Sunday school class. It's an objective look at how the Bible

(along with other 'sacred' texts) have influenced culture. Quite frankly, I'd like to take the course myself. I bet it is fascinating. (Not to mention that it has the Christian fundamentalists' panties in a wad.)

[greyl]

124. No it isn't. It's totally biased and apologetic.

In an earlier thread I posted sample pages in which it was clear that this textbook is bullshit.
It was racist, culturally myopic, and gave credit to the Bible for just about every positive change that occurred in this country to rectify Christian fundamentalism and its genocidal history.

It's total spin, but slickly done to fool most people. Think Karl Rove.

[CornField]

125. Rove is only a man

Just a guy -- just like any other guy who has to pull down his pants to shit.

The other "religious studies" class many schools have signed on to is one which uses only the Bible as a textbook & teaches it as fact. This one does not, which is why so many fundamentalists are ticked off.

[greyl]

126. Many non-fundamentalists are ticked off, too.

My opinions aren't decided by the rule "if it pisses off the fundies, it must be good"

I didn't mean to imply that Rove is behind this at all. I was asserting that we know that most people can be fooled by dishonest marketing.

[greyl]

123. Some better alternatives

What are good classroom resources for teaching about religion?

Teaching about religion in the public schools requires that sound academic resources be made readily available to classroom teachers. Fortunately, good classroom resources, especially in the social studies, are now available for helping teachers integrate appropriate study about religion. Two recent publications are examples of what is now available for study about religion in a secondary school classroom:

Religion in American Life is a 17-volume series written by leading scholars for young readers. Published by Oxford University Press, the series includes three chronological volumes on the religious history of the U.S., nine volumes covering significant religious groups (Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Orthodox Christians, Mormons, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Native Americans and others), and four volumes addressing specific topics of special importance for understanding the role of religion in American life (women and religion, church-state issues, African-American religion, and immigration). (For more information about the Oxford University Press series, call 800/451-7556.)

Columbia University Press has published a CD-ROM called “On Common Ground: World Religions in America.” This multimedia resource uses text, primary sources, photographs, music, film, and the spoken word to bring alive the extraordinary religious diversity in the United States. Fifteen religions in various regions of America are represented, from the long-established Christian, Jewish, and Native American traditions to the more recent arrivals such as Hinduism and Buddhism.
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/rel_liberty/publicschools/FAQs.aspx?printer-friendly=y