Why did Al Gore not win?

[ProSense]

Did Al Gore not win? Is Al Gore a Democrat?

[Crazy Dave]

1. Maybe because he ran with Lieberman

Lieberman is a republican.

[ChipsAhoy]

27. Great point!

Also, Lieberman's whiney voice always turned me off. The guy has never appeared to have a backbone. His vote for cloture proved that!

And yes, he IS a PUB!

[The Backlash Cometh]

34. Lieberman choked on the military mail-in votes.

He also choked during the debates when Dick Cheney was spouting his bullshit about being a self-made man, when we now know he was a welfare queen. Lieberman made an inside joke, but he could have driven a stake through Cheney's heart right there and then if he had been made out of tougher stuff.

Funny how these diplomats expect 18 year olds to get tough and face the worst kind of atrocities, but they can't even show an ounce of courage on the podium when it counts.

[CTyankee]

35. "The government had nothing to do with it"

That's what the Dick said, a baldfaced LIE. Lieberman just let it go! I was screaming at the TV set when I heard that.

[ChipsAhoy]

41. Beautiful!!

I just LOVE this quote of yours:

"Funny how these diplomats expect 18 year olds to get tough and face the worst kind of atrocities, but they can't even show an ounce of courage on the podium when it counts."

<standing ovation>

[Wilms]

46. That was well said. n/t

[Donald Ian Rankin]

38. Actually,

running with Lieberman gave Gore a massive boost, and was very widely hailed as an excellent stategic decision at the time. Gore's poll ratings jumped considerably as a result of announcing the decision.

[The Backlash Cometh]

39. Knowing now what we know about poll ratings, that doesn't mean

a whole lot. We'd have to know who they were polling, now wouldn't we?

[paulk]

42. what DO we know about poll ratings?

Talk about an absurd argument.

You don't like the polls, therefore all polls are flawed.


Like it or not, Lieberman probably helped Gore. The polling at the time shows this.
Instead of rejecting this information outright, a better strategy would be to ....

take it into account?


You don't win battles by ignoring your intelligence.

[The Backlash Cometh]

53. I'm asking for more information, which you obviously can't provide.

You want to take it at face value, go ahead. Here is what I see at face value: Lieberman is a shill for the neo-cons. The neo-cons have been trying to push their Iraq-Iran-Syria agenda since 1992 when Daddy Bush lost the second term. They weren't going to make that mistake twice. Lieberman, was insurance. If the Repubs couldn't steal the election for Bush, then the next best thing was to have a man one heartbeat away from the Dem presidency. If they can rig elections, then why not polls?

Sorry, but I don't think that anyone who accepts polls, without learning about the demographics of the people who were polled has anything strong to stand on.

[okieinpain]

61. yeah, but isn't gore the one that picked liberman

[The Backlash Cometh]

63. Someone must have recommended him.

I wouldn't be suprised if Gore was played. Just as he was played when the Dell guy called him and told him to stop the challenge to the elections because it was bad for the country.

Why are Democrats such good sports?

[ProudDad]

75. Nope, the DLC did

They also probably told him to tone down the "liberal crap" too.

Gore exhibited NO cajones during 2000 campaign and WON ANYWAY!

It made no difference because the election was stolen.

[Crazy Dave]

40. I had never even heard of Lieberman before until...

he became Al Gore's running mate and I certainly wasn't as much into politics back then so it wasn't even a factor for me and it didn't chase me over to the "Green Party".

[blm]

59. Because the GOP has controlled corporate media since 1997.

.

[karynnj]

57. What we don't know is what the impact would have been announcing any of

alternative VPs. Two alternatives were Kerry and Edwards,

Edwards did better than Lieberman debating Cheney - pretty much making that debate a wash as opposed to Lieberman's definite loss that even made Cheney seem less scary. Kerry would likely have blown Cheney away. Kerry was good answering questions then moving to points he wanted to make (he wasn't a Yale debate champ for nothing.)

Kerry is best when he is speaking from the heart - imagine him bringing up the votes against Head Start and school lunches - Kerry is really good talking about kids. Also. mentioning Cheney not being againt appartheid, which Teresa courageously marched against in South Africa while a college student. Kerry would have let people see Cheney for the "Blue Meanie" he was and is.

[Ned_Devine]

67. Why on earth did he pick Lieberman?

I mean, if he was trying to secure the Jewish vote, wasn't there anyone better than him. Feingold? Feinstein? help me people

[BlueManDude]

73. He ran AWAY from Bill Clinton

from the very beginning his campaign was flawed and choosing Liebs was a manifestation of this flaw. Liebs was picked to innoculate Gore from the Lewinsky taint b/c Joe had been highly critical of Clinton during this period and gained much cache with the Beltway heavyweights (Russert, Matthews, Woodruff etc...).

Needless to say Gore never turned the pundits around.

[bullimiami]

2. what is your point?

Im in florida, i know gore won, i know our state voted for him and our electoral votes were presented to king george.
i know harris, jeb and the 5 (now 4) justices (sic) and others that fomented this coup should be rotting in jail.

so what is your point again?

[ProSense]

5. It's a question not a point. n/t

[rman]

23. It's not as though those questions have not been answered

about a million times here on DU.

DU was founded because Gore won but didn't get to be president.

Where have you been all that time?

[rzemanfl]

3. Get the DVD "Unprecedented" and watch it. n/t

[me b zola]

4. Al Gore DID win, the SC appointed bush*

...or haven't you been paying attention :shrug:

[LWolf]

6. He did win. n/t

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. Amurka needs another Nixonian dose or reality wtfu. n/t

[kentuck]

8. Al Gore did not lose... America lost.

It's becoming more obvious every day.

[megatherium]

9. Never mind his victory in the popular vote, nor the Supreme Court.

Also never mind the adroit media manipulation that distorted every casual comment of his to appear to be a deliberate prevarication, and that seized upon his repeated, hapless attempts to remake his image as signs of insincerity.

What doomed Gore was that tone of voice he had when speaking to groups of people -- you know, that tone of voice that sounded like he was talking to kindergarteners. "OK, Children, I Want All Of You To Hold On To Yarn While We All Carefully Cross The Road Together To Learn About Global Warming."

[kentuck]

13. I never, never felt like Gore was talking down to me...

I think that was part of the righ-wing propaganda...and Saturday Night Live. :)

[BOHICA06]

19. Apparently Tennessee Did n/t

[Punkingal]

37. Well, I heard there was some voting shennanigans...

that went on in East Tennessee just like in Florida.

[Mike Nelson]

20. This was a lie to "explain" why Gore...

"lost" (but, he didn't). Shows like SNL and Hardball love this lie.

[Kahuna]

22. Oh please. That sounds like the spew the media was feeding us

along with telling us everyday, "people don't like Al Gore. He sounds like he's talking down to us. We don't like him." Those talking points apparently scored with you.

[megatherium]

60. No, I'm just reporting my own personal reaction to his speaking style.

It honestly made me cringe a little.

But don't get me wrong -- I voted for Gore. I didn't hold out high hopes for a Gore presidency actually but I knew it was imperative to defeat Bush. Absolutely imperative. By election time I knew Bush was a feeb and menace. He's turned out far worse than I even feared.

By October of 2000 I knew for sure I wasn't going to vote for Nader (Nader's performance on Meet the Press one Sunday morning that month convinced me he was on kool aid or at least a massive ego trip). Earlier I was contemplating making a protest vote (for Nader or someone else) under the theory that my vote wouldn't affect anything (I voted in Indiana which was expected to vote heavily for Bush, and did). But I was proud later when I realized that my vote contributed to Gore's 500,000 vote popular margin of victory.

[Botany]

10. Because among other reasons

1. Diebold machine gave Al Gore a negative 16,000 votes in Volusia County, FL after
ABC, CBS, & NBC all had called the state for Gore

2. A company called DBT scrubbed over 90,000 black voters from the voting
lists ...... of which 50,000 did not vote .... they did this for Jeb Bush & Harris

3. The SCOTUS stopped a recount which was totally legal asked for by Gore.
Scalia wrote, "There is a significant chance for damage to the reputation to the
Plaintiff (Bush) if the count is allowed to proceed." (rough quote)

4. Theresa La Pore who aka Madam Butterfly, who was a registered dem used to
be a registered republic and in the past had worked for Saudi arms dealer A. Koshigii
her ballot caused thousands of votes for Gore to be recorded for Buchanan.

[izzie]

11. He won the votes just not the election

If the people in Fa had voted right, not put two marks down, he would have won. I understand why the SC did what it did but I would have thought they would have gone to wards the pop vote in this day and age.

[Warpy]

12. He won too narrow a victory to compensate for GOP cheating

The reasons for that are the choice of Lieberman, the DLC platform, and a lackluster campaign that faced a hostile press.

Since he's been free of his DLC handlers, he's managed to turn into someone most of us would be proud to vote for, not just the lesser of two evils. Funny how that happens. It happens in the GOP as well; I remember seeing Dole on a chat show after his defeat and was amazed by his wit. He certainly wouldn't have been accused of having any during his campaign.

Gore won but he didn't win decisively enough to gain the office. Some might say that was due in part because he wasn't running as a Democrat.

[acmejack]

14. Because the people did not take to the streets.

We accepted it. No one chose to stand up and say "Wait a moment!", and the rest is history. Many of us thought, "WTF?, but we sat there & watched it happen.

And here we are...

[Sperk]

15. Why is water not wet?

gore did win.....he just wasn't inaugurated because of our corrupt supreme court.

[SHRED]

16. Well he did but...

...it was close enough for the Repukes to screw with it.



Also; choosing "Droopy Dog" as his running-mate was a HUGE mistake.

[BOHICA06]

17. He couldn't hold his home state!

Yikes! Not a good campaign, with the economy booming, pre-9/11 attitudes, versus a frat-boy with a drinking problem - 55 to 45 should have been the outcome.

[kentuck]

21. Right-wing BS...

Bush was born in Connecticut and he did carry it either. Tennessee was not exempt from the right-wing proaganda and had been turning red for years. It was no big surprise. Al Gore had been VP for eight years since he was a Senator from Tennessee.

[BOHICA06]

26. Call it BS if you want ...

but Gore was Tennessee's Senator (as was his father). They had elected him at least twice .....
What did his eight years as VP do to alienate him from the people who thought he was good enough to be their Senator?

Bush, while technically a stone cold Yankee, could easily be identified as a Texan - at least good enough to be a two term Governor.

Discount Gore's failure at your own peril.

[Hippo_Tron]

45. Gore had been elected Senator in Tennesee...

Bush had never been elected to anything in Connecticut. Tennesee is only one of many states in the south that Gore should have won. His campaign was run by amateurs and he was an incredibly boring speaker (at the time).

All of that said, I would definately vote for Gore in '08.

[ChipsAhoy]

25. The home state loss always bothered me.

I didn't hear VP Gore address that issue, but I clearly remember he said he was going home to "mend some fences." I thought that was mighty humble of him.

But, I still have NO IDEA why he didn't win his state. I get blasted by Repug's about that all the time when I bring up VP Gore's name. I'm tired of it. Hell, I'm tired of a lot of things. LOL

[Uncle Joe]

56. This is why Al Gore lost Tennesee.

To begin with anytime you come out of an impeached administration, integrity will be a major issue with the American People.

Remember The Titans!
Bill Moyers had several excellent interviews with the late Joseph Campbell regarding his book "The Power Of Myth". In it Joseph speaks of the commonality of all the world's religions and mythologies, even when they are separated by time and distance. He goes on to state that there are many lessons and much wisdom to be learned from myth. Here in Nashville (The Athens of the South), the home of the only full scale replica of The Parthenon of the Acropolis, mythology is never too far away.

What does this have to do with Al Gore? The lesson of what happened to Al Gore has repeated it self throughout history and myth. A hero or leader comes to the aid of the people and the ones in power trash him for it. When I think of Al Gore, I think of Prometheus. Prometheus, the son of the Titan Iapetus who took pity on the misery of mankind, huddling in the cold and dark, so Prometheus stole fire from heaven for their benefit. Zeus (Jupiter), enraged at this loss of power caused Prometheus to be chained to a rock on Mount Caucasus, where a vulture each day devoured his liver, which was made whole again each night, this was supposed to go on for all eternity.

Al Gore, the son of Tennessee Titan Al Gore Sr. took pity on the American People as they were fed scraps of information on the vital issues of the day. Al, while he was in congress thought that the people should have equal access to the same information as the rich and the powerful. Al Gore recognized ahead of the curve (as he usually does) that for democracy to flourish, the people should have control over the flow of information that will ultimately control their lives. Information is power, so Al decided to become the primary champion of the relatively new technology (now known as the internet) controlled by the defense dept. and some universities and to open it up for everyone. CNN recently held a poll as to the most revolutionary creation of the 20th century and the internet won hands down. So one might expect praise from such vision, service and dedication to the people, however that would be forgetting the lessons of Prometheus.

The corpwhorate owned MSM were enraged at this loss of power, how dare he! They wanted to remain the sole gatekeepers to the truth so that they could regale us with great stories of runaway brides, missing pretty white women, and various other lurid tales, etc. they could continue do this for all perpetuity. The corpwhorate owned MSM wanted to create a fictitious bubble or Matrix for the American People to live in and Al Gore had endangered their project.

Why would "American Journalism" want to do this to the American People? Because if you are ignorant, you are more easily controlled, and this is all about power. So Al had to be punished for empowering the American People. The corpwhorate owned MSM has no taste for liver with the possible exception of pate de fois gras (goose liver), so they decided to slander, trash, ignore and demean him in every way possible. It still goes on to this day to some degree.

The trashing of Al started in earnest in 1999, although I believe that the witch hunt against Clinton was in truth a back door way for them to hurt Al's chances of coming to power. The War Against Gore began in 1999 with a Wolf Blitzer interview; in it Blitzer asks Al what separates him from Bill Bradley? Blitzer asking Al of and Al is talking about his record in congress. As anyone would do in a job interview, Al speaks of his achievements, primarily in helping to bring about the creation of the internet as we know it today, which in fact is the truth; nothing is said by Blitzer at the time because he knows this is the truth.

One or two days later Dick Armey begins spouting his Republican Talking Points slamming Al for his hubris, and then the corpwhorate MSM begin goose stepping in unison and take up where Dick left off. The MSM says that "Al Gore claims to have invented the internet" which of course is a lie, and it does not end there. "Al Gore claims to have discovered Love Canal" another lie, although he held hearings on toxic waste in Toone, Tennessee which expanded to include Love Canal. The MSM said that Al Gore was wearing earth tones, so he must be a fake, besides being stiff and boring, etc. etc. Al Gore has led a remarkable life and sometimes it reads like fiction such as being an inspiration (along with Tommy Lee Jones) for the book "Love Story" but it is the truth. The corpwhorate owned MSM even did a 180 after the 2000 debates overruling their own focus groups and changing their reporting as to who won those debates overnight, someone had apparently heard him sigh (I did not). The only time terrorism was ever brought up during those debates was when Al mentioned it. With the corpwhorate MSM, the vital issue of the day (and keep in mind this was after Osama had declared war against us) was who would you rather have in your home for a beer? The nation has been drunk ever since.

The result of all this slander, demeaning and trashing of our best and brightest is the Pottersville that we are currently living in today. But think how much more difficult it would have been for us to get the truth out regarding the Iraq War, the Downing Street Memos, Gannon/Guckert, supporting Cindy Sheehan, torture, wiretapping Americans without a court order, Bush's corruption and incompetence etc. without the internet. Think how much more difficult it would be for you to put your opinions out for the masses or praise your favorite leader’s virtues if we did not have the internet. Even the freepers and Bush owe Al; they are just too clueless to know it. It is for these reasons and many more that I will never abandon Al Gore for President.

P.S. For a historical refresher, click on link below and google “War against Gore”.

http://dailyhowler.com/

[karynnj]

58. The state had moved to the right as Gore moved to the left

The media did nothing to show Gore in a good light and ignored the obvious deficits in Bush's resume and character. In any earlier election, could you imagine the press accepting Bush's view that the first 40 years of his life didn't count? He had drinking problems and BRANDED students at Yale. (Gore on the other hand committed the offenses of wearing earth tones, speaking slowly, and being wooden - WHAT A SHALLOW COUNTRY!!!)

[kentuck]

71. And the Repubs focused their right-wing, anti-gay message ...

on Tennessee and Arkansas. That didn't help. Gore thought it might come down to Florida. That's why he picked Lieberman. He thought the Jewish vote in Florida might make the difference in the race. That was his biggest mistake, in my opinion.

[adriennui]

18. he did win

he had 500,000 more votes than the chimp.

[ziggy_luv]

24. he did

i read some where that ballots were stolen in tennessee around 300,000.

[ProSense]

36. Where did that come from? n/t

[onehandle]

28. A) A crooked SCOTUS. B) Nader worked hard in Florida to defeat him.

Nader spent a lot of time in the last weeks working Florida. If less than 1/2 of a percent of the suckers he used had voted for Gore instead of Nader, Bush would only be a failed Texas governor instead of a failed President.

[patricia92243]

29. Because the MSM did not want him. Same will be true in the future.. That

is why Democrats MUST get into the MSM area by buying an already exisiting station or putting a VIABLE one on the air. I don't mean some little rink-a-dink thing, but some mainstream media.

[rman]

31. more accurately: the MSM's owners did not want him

[wyldwolf]

30. many factors played a role

Ralph Nader, the Supreme Court, and many people believe in distancing himself from Clinton, the man, he distanced himself from Clinton's economic record.

There has, and will forever be, heated debate on all of it.

But I believe Gore was the best president we never had.

[Hippo_Tron]

47. How about Donna Brazille instead of James Carville?

You can't tell me that Gore didn't shoot himself in the foot from the very start with that obvious decision.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

32. ummmm . . .

he did win.

:freak:

[OneBlueSky]

33. he DID win . . . he just wasn't inaugurated . . . n/t

.

[radio4progressives]

43. Beginning to Wonder if Lieberman was responsible for Gore backing

down from the Florida fight.. didn't have to have the Supreme Court have the last word - (which was wholly unconstitutional and illegal - every supreme court justice who voted in favor of Bush winning that election should be impeached for miscarriage of justice) now looking Lieberman for the past five years, including his real loyalty to President Bush and his illegal and evil policies - and love fests with the likes of Sean Hannity who promised (on the air) to assist Lieberman in his "re-election" with a Conservatives for Lieberman campaign -- i just have to wonder what role Lieberman played behind the scenes in 2000 throwing the election to the criminal in the office now.

enquiring minds want to know... and how many other DLC'rs were involved in that?

[ProSense]

44. My responses

Al Gore did win.

Al Gore did not lose

Al Gore is a Democrat


Bush was appointed POTUS, and a Democrat did win.

[Lone_Wolf]

48. Gore did win.

A biased SCOTUS decided to let * take the oath of office.

[Hippo_Tron]

49. Hired Donna Brazille instead of James Carville

Like him or not, James Carville is still the best strategist that the Democrats have and he still can run a top notch take no shit from the right campaign.

Carville watched Dukakis get slammed by Lee Atwater and the GOP propaganda machine with Willie Horton. So when it came time to get Clinton elected, he said that they weren't going to fall into that trap again. They were going to go on the offensive. Not with sleezy ads that appeal to peoples' irrational fears and don't talk about issues, like the GOP does, but with ads that call Bush on his shortcomings as president. And the second they started throwing mud at Clinton about any bullshit matter, Clinton's team would have a response by the end of the news cycle.

People still don't seem to understand that Carville is better than anyone that we've seen so far at doing this. I still contend that Kerry or Gore would be president if either of them had let Carville manage their campaign.

[ChipsAhoy]

77. Brazille didn't do very good.

I cringed each time she spoke. Her English was very poor.

PS - I love Carville!

[alcibiades_mystery]

50. Al Gore DID win

So much for that question.

Next?

[Auntie Bush]

51. He got less votes than he should have because

#1 The media hated him, thought he was boring and would have lots more fun hanging out with good old bushy tail liar-in chief.

#2 He wore brown suits

#3 He didn't speak like a happy old Texan...as sounded stilted.

#4 Clinton's folly harmed him, especially with all those religious Christian Southerners.

#5 The media were looking out for Corporate interests.

If any ONE of those five things weren't true he would have WON in spite of all the voting irregularities.

[Uncle Joe]

52. Al Gore did win,

the American People and the constitution lost.

[windy252]

54. Gore did win

When I look back at it now, while not obvious to me at the time, I believe the media had a lot to do with some of Gore's troubles. And the Supreme Court were the ones who decided the election.

[murdoch]

55. 2 out of 5 in California is enough for Repugs to win

http://elections.gmu.edu/voter_turnout.htm

Over 20% of adults in California can't vote, mostly because they are not US citizens. Since most of those people are within the working class base that tends to vote Democrat, it's easy to see why Republicans win.

In Florida, over 12% of the population are not citizens. If they were all allowed to vote, Gore would have probably won.

Of course, there were lots of things specific to Gore's election that were different than other elections. But over the long run, this is an important thing. And of course, Bush's "amnesty" allows Mexicans to work here, but not the ability to vote.

To me there are two separate issues: what should the immigration rate be, and if someone is in the US working should they have full rights? For the second question my answer is definitely 100% yes. Anyone who comes into the US and has a job should have full rights. So then the question is what should that number be. I do not have strong opinions on this either way.

[AtomicKitten]

62. I will echo the sentiment that Al Gore did win the election

he just lost the 5:4 vote judicial coup d'etat.

[Catchawave]

64. Apathy ?

Democrats stayed home, or voted for Bush. The buzz I heard in the "trenches", Gore's biggest mistake was dissing Clinton and/or being a benign VP for 8 years shouldn't make one an automatic candidate.

And Rove. Love him or hate him, he got more voters to the polls in the states that counted, hence the Electoral victory, which is the itty-bitty-titty Politics of the Rovian Playbook.

So, what have we learned? Get the Dem voters off their asses and to the polls in 2006 and 2008 ! How can we do that? Get the minimum wage state referendums on state ballots! Action: http://www.oneamericacommittee.com/minimumwage/

[Rocknrule]

65. Because:

1. Lieberman was his running mate
2. Nader screwed him over
3. The media destroyed him
4. Bush cheated

[Awsi Dooger]

66. He sighed in the first debate

Anyone who discounts that is beyond bonkers. The question regarding Gore was always likability and the normal guy aspect. He had nullified that to huge degree via his convention speech and some great appearances on talk shows throughout September.

The race was all Gore if he could dodge self-inflicted implosion. Then the 90 minute sigh fest and I watched the presidency slip away in my living room.

I host debate watching parties including that night. When he started sighing I retreated to a side room and clicked channels to see which ones were showing the split screen throughout. Gore was acting like an infantile impatient know it all whenever Bush was speaking. I literally heard women in my living room calling their friends and parents and children, etc., and saying things like, "Mom, I can't believe I was actually going to vote for him!" That was real, not media spin days later. I saw it happen and my group is extremely representative of apolotical voters who make up their mind during the campaign. I intentionally pick them via that criteria.

The flawed ballot designs would still have happened but been reserved for meaningless trivia minus that first debate. The dimpled chads would have narrowed his margin but not cost the White House. Any analysis of 2000 must begin with a knowledge there was masochistic forfeit long before the Florida theft.

[Uncle Joe]

69. Actually Gore won the debate, the corpwhorate owned MSM lied.

They reversed them selves and overuled their own focus groups as to who won within 24-48 hours after the first debate. Please click on link for full column and you can find much more evidence by googling 2000 debates or War against Gore, here is a snippet of the corpwhorate owned MSM's duplicity.

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh092804.shtml

"First, Krugman slightly understates the instant response to the Bush-Gore debate. “Interviews with focus groups just after the...debate showed Gore with a slight edge,” he writes. In fact, instant polls of viewers credited Gore with a rather decisive win. How substantial was Gore’s apparent success? According to NBC’s post-debate poll, 46 percent said Gore had won, 36 percent picked Bush. At CBS, the margin was wider; it was Gore, 56-42. CNN had a seven-point spread, 48-41. Only ABC had it close; in their survey, 42 percent picked Gore, 39 percent favored Bush. (For the record, more Bush voters watched the debate. Gore won the instant polls anyway.) Adding to the unanimous verdict, Time polled viewers on October 4-5, the first two days post-debate; their sample picked Gore, 51-37. In fact, Gore “won the debate” in these five polls by an average margin of 9.6 percent. In these, the five major instant polls, Gore “won” by a serious margin.

So viewers favored Gore fairly strongly. But what happened when the press got its spin machines going? On that matter, Krugman correctly says that Clymer’s account is a little bit “delicate.” Let’s recall what Clymer said about the post-debate fact-checking:"

[kentuck]

72. Yes, he sighed as Bush twisted his nose like he had a booger...

doing a number on some cocaine....but nobody noticed that, did they?

[saltpoint]

68. Al's a Democrat, yes. Al beat Dubya. Bush was selected, not elected.

And so on.

My thought on Gore is that he did not enjoy wider support of his already-winning margin in the popular vote because he fell victim to the strain in U.S. cultural life that distrusts thoughtful men and women.

There is a huge vein of anti-intellectualism in the United States. We prefer our presidents to be stupid, insensitive "regular" guys and not intellectual or analytical. Clinton was a policy wonk but he kept it under radar and played saxophone on Saturday Night Live. Gore doesn't hide his smarts, and I admire him for it. He beat Bradley because Gore ran such a forceful primary in New Hampshire. I was a Bradley delegate in 2000. But I give credit where it's due, and Gore is a hell of a smart man.

I think he frightened people with his brains. Kerry is also intelligent and some people are disdainful of intelligent men and women. Hunter S. Thompson wrote that Kerry "steamrolled" Bush in the debates, a surgically accurate statement, but the polls afterward showed a drift toward Bush.

Lieberman hurt in places like Madison but helped in places like south Florida, where there is a substantial Jewish population.

Gore was disliked by the media, but it seems to me that was the media's problem, not Gore's.

He was too smart for too many of the dumbed-down red voters and they trashed him in favor of a treacherous little moron.

[DemGirl7]

70. Gore DID win....

but if you want to play the "Gore lost" card here are my explainations...
1. Tons of political connections for * in the Florida, which all attempted to fix the election by purging voters off of the registration rolls especially if your skin color isn't pasty white and confusing ballots designs that make Jewish grannys vote a wannabe Hitler.

2.And if the other side trys to fight there are always * friends at the Supreme Court who don't know the meaning of Judicial ethics. With mortives such as cronyism, future job opportunities for relatives and themselves, pure ideology, and the fact that certain justice on the SCOTUS can't get over the fact he was made to look like the perverted asshole he is, at his confirmation hearing by the two people who make up the other side of the election contest (Yeah I'm taking about Clarence, Boo fucking hoo, what a sob story :sarcasm: )

3. And one extremely right wing biased media.

[Lorien]

74. 1.) would have won by a landslide with better campaign management

(confronting RW attacks). 2.) would have won Florida with several thousand votes (minimally) had the GOP not cheated in this state (I actually saw the theft at one polling place. I won't go into it again, but Greg Palast has written about it).

[NativeTexan]

76. HE DID WIN!!!

Stolen the election was!!