Hey guys, This Mark Warner, he's nice but he's freaking BORING AS HELL

[radio4progressives]

please don't push him for president...

i've been trying to listen to his speech and good lord, he's putting me to sleeeeeeeep... :boring:

[thefloyd]

1. Warners demeanor reminds me of accountants

Nice, Hard Working but charm is definitely lacking

[amitten]

2. I agree. The charisma needs to be cultivated, or he doesn't

have much of a chance. Far too many Americans vote on whether they "like" the guy. People don't take well to men that act like Mister Rogers all the time. It's sad, but you know it's true.

[Lorien]

5. I saw a PBS program six years ago that said as much

that the majority of Americans disregard positions on the issues and vote for who they "just like"instead. Scary that the program said "majority", but I guess we shouldn't be too surprised.

[FreedomAngel82]

14. I remember my mother told me

once she was going to vote and she got in a conversation about who to vote for and some women told her "oh we vote on their wives." :eyes:

[gimama]

3. Pres.Gen.Wes Clark & Vice Pres.Max Cleland

and both houses full o'the VETERANS of Vetpac.org & Band of Brothers.
Now that gets ME fired up! ;} WooHooo!

[FrenchieCat]

4. Watching now....

Boring even when mingling with the crowd. :boring:

Did he mention Iraq when he gave his speech? (didn't turn it on till I read your post).

[Awsi Dooger]

6. A 74% approval rating in a vital state is hardly boring

He's not naturally charismatic but at times, like the night Kaine won, Warner is witty and puts a smile on your face.

Please, let's understand the handicap. In trying to oust an incumbent, personality traits are absolutely essential. We screwed that up last year with world class ignorance of what was necessary. In an open race in which one party has been in power two straight terms, the benefit of a doubt toward the incumbent party is gone and it's a struggle to decide which course is best. Issues like charm are much less vital than message and competence and who can win the electoral college in a 50/50 popular vote atmosphere, which is what 2008 will be. It's why I backed John Edwards in 2004 and am on the Warner bandwagon for 2008. Please don't keep picking the wrong guy.

[radio4progressives]

10. I'm a political junky too... (gee, go figure )

that's why i listen carefully... i'm not generally one for "charisma" , because more than anything else i want serious substance, which can be boring too, unless that 'serious substance' is the message that fires me up (a progressive populist kind of message) and though Warner offered a few platitudes which every democrat is supposed to do, it barely touched on the constitutional crises we face today, if at all.

Again, I'm not impuning his charachter, and obviously Virginians preferred him over his contendor enough to elect him as governor. But presidential material for 2008, considering all we face as a nation?

and speaking of the constitutional crises this nation is facing, the Democratic Leadeship is a significant part of the problem.

see this story on Domestic Spying:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/12/AR2006021201174_pf.html

[CarolNYC]

11. Hey watch out....

You're going to be accused of being "petrified" of Mark Warner for voicing opinions like that...Or maybe that assessment is reserved only for certain members here who might like to hear something different from Gov. Warner? :shrug:

[Adelante]

21. That Frenchie, she's such a chickenshit

:rofl:

[radio4progressives]

30. my bad!

:rofl: :hi:

[FreedomAngel82]

15. While he isn't a great speaker I do

like how he interacts with people. He does great with eye contact and focusing on who he's talking to. Go to c-span.org and try to find his q&a. I think he does better one-on-one than with a huge crowd. I would like Kerry/Warner pretty well.

[fujiyama]

7. I didn't find him that boring

In fact I found the speech pretty interesting, but I'll admit though, I'm comparing him to the likes of Bayh, Vilsack, and Hillary (no on all three!).

I'll also admit that I'm a political junkie and don't mind such speeches. The same can't be said for the majority of Americans. Either way, I found him relatively forceful and was impressed by the accomlishments he touted in his state. He sounds like he's done a great job and I think he might make a fine president.

He's in the top three for me, along with Clark, and Feingold.

[leesa]

8. He also doesn't think what started the Iraq war warrants looking in to...

[LeFleur1]

9. Saw Him Once

Warner was being interviewed when I saw him, and he was...well...he was waffling. Nope, he's not our man. He may be 'nice', he may have the right ideas, but if he can't get the country fired up he's not the person to run for President.

Of course, that was a one time assessment. Maybe next time...

[FreedomAngel82]

16. From what I get with him on that

is we need to focus now on getting out and not in. Congress should do that job. I do wish he would change his mind on that since it is important. It shows Bush and team lied to us and that's illegal.

[jrandom421]

12. Boring don't mean a damn thing!

They said Al Gore was boring. I don't give a rat's ass if he is boring. The only thing I care about is if he's smart enough, strong enough and determined enough to pull the country back on the right track. I may sleep through his speeches, but I'll cheer his programs and appointments if he can pull that off.

Charisma gave us Reagan. Think about that.

[FrenchieCat]

18. Yeah...But Al Gore wasn't really boring, that's what "they" said....

on the other hand....WE are saying that Warner is Boring, which should possibly NOT be that important to us...but understand that if people are falling asleep, they ain't gonna hear a damn thing he's saying!

But like you, I don't care so much about the Boring bit as much as I care about how he doesn't seem to talk about any of the HOT Button controversial issues of today....you know, War in Iraq, Wiretapping, National Security, etc., etc., etc?

......which is exactly what Republicans wants from our Democrats.

Makes me feel like he's not a true leader...and would rather keep away from discussing controversy because it's better for his Political Career, as opposed to having passion and speaking against what's wrong with our nation...at least based on what's on the News!

I for one I'm sick of politicians so calculated and so more concerned about their own political "well-being" than about this country.

2008 is a long way away...and I fear that Warner won't speak up about much about what matters until it's "safe"....which would put him and those who follow him behind the eight ball.

I say Party before Country, but Country before one's political viability for an election 2 years away! (especially when Dems lack "strong" voices speaking out as the opposition party!

[depakid]

28. "Charisma gave us Reagan. Think about that."

Precisely the point.

Reagan's policiies were WAY out of step with the majority of Americans in 1980 and in 1984. Yet they elected him by large majorities (albeit over weak and wimpering opponents).

Most progressive policies, on the other hand- are widely popular. An assertive and charismatic progressive has a much better chance of winning by enough of a margin to overcome fraud and dirty tricks than a dull so called "middle of the road" candidate.

In that regard, Warner would be a prescription for disaster.

[radio4progressives]

32. Feingold isn't Charismatic, but He never bores me.. I think it's because

it's so damn rare to hear a politician tell the straight truth, pulling no punches and let's the chips fall where they may.

i hear they call Feingold "goody two shoes" in Washington and so the Press is kind of cool on him... and the rest of the DLC crowd don't have much to do with him, because Feingold likes to pay for his own meals, and won't play cards with them, in the way they would like.

hmmm....

[CarolNYC]

35. Yeah,

I don't think they take too kindly to those whom they can't control....

[radio4progressives]

36. That's what I suspect... I'd love to have a one on one chat with the guy..

i wanna know what he's really thinking.. and I'd love to know what he thinks about the DLC and what to do about the party with those corporate hacks there.

[FreedomAngel82]

13. I think he isn't bad

Please give me John Kerry though. :) I do think Kerry is a better speaker.

[iconoclastNYC]

17. Yeah DLCers....talk like bankers, not real people

No corporate Democrat will get my primary vote. Feingold is my early pick.

[NativeTexan]

19. Clinton was a DLCer and.....

.....one of the best orators in American History.

Warner is just D U L L !!!! He does not inspire me one bit. Nothing much to say, and those CAPPED TEETH!! GEEZ!!

[iconoclastNYC]

20. There are always exceptions.

The DLC picked Clinton, not the other way around. For CLINTON it was a means to get a springboard to National Office.

BUt by an large the DLCers are boring because they only advocate the corporate agenda.

[NativeTexan]

27. Sorry, but that is incorrect....

....Clinton was one of the FOUNDERS of the DLC. They didn't pick HIM....he created THEM.

[iconoclastNYC]

33. That's not true.

Bill Clinto was a chair but not a founder. Check your facts.

[NativeTexan]

37. Stand mostly corrected, but....

....though Al From was the founder of record, Clinton worked side by side with him and others setting the goals, ground rules, and policy initiatives to bring back center/left politics. But they didn't go looking for him, as such. He was there on the ground floor.

Thanks for the correction!! NT

[ddeclue]

22. Seen him in person and he's a snoozer...

Edwards and Obama are far better.

[Sugarcoated]

23. Feingold/Clark

Clark/Feingold

[Nye Bevan]

24. So he won't do *fun* *exciting* things like

invading foreign countries for no reason? And setting up torture prisons? And dismantling the social security system?

What a bore!

[stuartrida]

25. Feingold/ Warner

[SaveElmer]

26. There are two kinds of exciting...

There are the types who are great speakers and can reel you in even if what they are saying is completely and utterly vapid...Ronald Reagan

Then there are the kinds that aren't great speakers, but reel you in based on what they are saying...Jimmy Carter

Then there is the very rare politician who has abilities in both areas....Bill Clinton.

Mark Warner falls into the second category in my opinion, and might just be the kind of adult mature candidate people are looking for!

[Orangepeel]

29. remember Clinton's horrible long boring speech at the 88 convention?

don't write the man off because of a few early boring speeches.

[ruggerson]

31. Maybe we should nominate Madonna

I'm all for non boring. But as long as he's LIKABLE and authentic, he doesn't have to be a rock star.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

34. Saw him speak in person last summer and he was a bit dull

but very likeable. Maybe he can get some coaching. There is still plenty of time to polish up those rough diamonds we have in our party.

[IndianaGreen]

38. I understand that "Iraq" is not part of Warner's lexicon

Just what we needed, another "safe" Democrat!

[Ouabache]

39. Yeah, but the Bilderburgers loved him last June in Europe

So he keeps getting pushed on us... Just say NO to the Bilderburger candidate.

[demdiva]

40. I wanted to like him, because . . .

I heard great things about him, but I wasn't impressed when he was on Sunday morning TV last month. In fact, I can't even remember if it was Meet the Press or This Week ...he left so little an impression that I can't even remember what show it was.

He may fit the bio ("democratic governor from a red state") but he is definitely not ready for primetime and it seems the New Hampshire agrees.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10909406/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/11/AR2006021101085.html