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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 02:59 PM
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Unknowns surrounding Plame, Sibel, Phase 2, wiretaps, etc. got me thinking
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 03:17 PM by Roland99
Let's take a quick review of what we DO know. (I see what I'm about to write as the beginnings of what I've been wanting to blog for a few weeks now but just never sat down to do it in detail the way it needs to be done...this will suit as a nice outline :) )


* Neoconservative movement forms in the wake of Leo Strauss.

* Neocons are disgusted with liberalism and a society promising individualism and want a return to a national identity. They determine they need to frame the struggle as a fight by America (good) against the evil in the world. Classic good vs. evil tale.

* Neocons latch onto the Soviets as their boogeyman. They exaggerate claims that the Soviets are ramping up nuclear arms production. I believe Rumsfeld's words were, "They've been busy, busy, busy, busy." (Yes, I'm reminded of the evil magician from the animated Frosty the Snowman). This gets the US to start outspending the Soviets and leading to a cottage industry in Hollywood (ie. - War Games). Soviets invade Afghanistan and the US joins forces with the Mujahedeen, calling them freedom fighters (keep that in mind). The US gives the CIA $1billion and a crapload of Stinger missiles and funnels the cash thru Pakistan's ISI to the Mujahedeen. Along comes bin Laden who's just itching to burn thru his wad of familial money. The others let him play along as he's loaded. We also have Zawahiri who's really the hard-nosed Islamist and wants to install Islamic states all over the Mideast and SW Asia (Zawahiri being a follower of the executed Sayyid Qutb who, like the neocons, saw the liberal societies of the west as a virus against a nationalistic society).

The Soviet/Afghani war wages on for a few years. The US supplying training, satellite photos of Soviet troop locations (keep that in mind, too), etc. Along comes Gorbachev and he sees the Soviet as it really is: A decrepit, failing state and decides to withdraw from Afghanistan in some manner as to still honor the tens of thousands who've died in Afghanistan (ring any bells there?). Pozner tried to negotiate a settlement with the US to install a stable government in Afghanistan. The Soviets knew an Islamic state would result and they didn't want that. However, Richard Perle said, "They arrived in a matter of days, on Christmas Eve; they can leave by Christmas Eve" (paraphrasing). The Soviets eventually withdraw and the war is over.

Mujahedeen declares victory over a Superpower and feel their ideology has been validated. Now they can install an Islamic state in Afghanistan.
:woohoo:

The neocons also declare victory in that their training and support helped defeat the Soviets. They also feel their ideology was validated in that "evil" was defeated. Neocons leave Mujahedeen behind in the dust.

* Iran/Iraq war flares up. Rumsfeld shakes Saddam's hand. US supplies Iraq with satellite imagery of Iranian troop replacement (ah HA)

* Concurrently, the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic Jihad ramp up their violence and start attacking gov'ts. When that fails to topple the western-friendly governments, they move to attacking fellow Muslims as obviously it is *they* who are infected with liberal individualism and don't understand Islamic states must be setup in order to "save" the soul and live righteously. Their violence escalates and creates a backlash against them which mutes their efforts for a while.

* Saddam invades Kuwait. Neocons want to continue on into Baghdad but Poppy ain't playing along.

* The neocons need a new boogeyman. The Soviet Union is gone but they latch onto something they think will work. Apparently, the Soviet remnants are behind all of the terror attacks in the world. Documentation is obtained to prove their point and they go to the CIA to take it to the President. Trouble is, the CIA recognizes the "documentation" as their own propaganda! They know it's a farce and tell the neocons to fack off. Along comes William Casey, freshly appointed to head the CIA and he falls for the neocons' "proof" hook, line, and sinker.

* Meanwhile, the neocons try to entrench their power in the US by enlisting the mindless sheep of the Religious Right. This turns the 1992 RNC into something nearer a Salem witch trial than a political convention in land of the free. The quick move to the far-right scares the bejeezus out of moderate Republicans and Bill "Big Dog" Clinton becomes President.

* Obviously, a Democratic President is an affront to the neocon mentality and the work begins quickly and in earnest to destroy Clinton. Lies are concocted re: Whitewater, Vince Foster, etc. (David Brock even comes forward later to declare they were all lies). Ken Starr (of the Federalist Society) spends $70 million to find wrongdoing re: Whitewater but only finds Monica and the infamous cigar. The Mighty Clenis is born! And impeached. The moral depravity of the liberals is shown before the whole world.

* Terror attacks hit the US in 1993, Khobar Towers attacked in 1996 and US embassies in Africa attacked in 1998. The neocons have their new boogeyman and start pushing for "regime change" in the Middle East and form the Project for a New American Century (the infamous PNAC). It's comprised of the same Straussians (Perle, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Ledeen, Kristol, Fukiyama, Feith, Hadley, etc.) that have flitted in and out of power since the Nixon administration and have so far struck out on the truth in every aspect of their machinations. They create Al Qaeda as a worldwide network organized by bin Laden in order that they can bring the fight to bin Laden under US laws meant to snare mafia types.

* 2000 and the Fortunate Son (who previously stated no nation-building) reaches the White House. The neocons are in like Flynn and grab the top spots at the Pentagon, in the White House, and throughout the Cabinet. The war machine starts warming up. But, trouble is, where will it go? What they need is a target. BOOM! Sept. 11. "Al Qaeda" strikes the US. "Al Qaeda" is in tiny little Afghanistan. Easy pickings. Neocons contract out the job to Islamists' local enemies, Afghani warlords and the Northern Alliance. Some Tomahawks are launched for good TV back in the States. bin Laden is allowed to escape (don't want to kill off that boogeyman just yet) while "Al Qaeda" (which in reality is mostly just the Mujahedeen which don't care about the US...they're fighting for Islamic states in the Middle East) get rounded up by the Northen Alliance and the US kills them or ships them to Gitmo to rot w/o trial for years.

* War on Terror is loosening its grip on American minds. The public needs a new bad guy. Ah HA! Saddam! He's been sitting over there, contained, for a decade. Let's bomb his ass! Neocons go on a major propaganda spree, bringing in professional catapaulters like Chalabi. Hadley works up some fake documents in Italy to make it look like Saddam wants to buy yellowcake and Chalabi feeds "defectors" to the neocons for some unearned million$ All kinds of side activity go on with various members of the Republican party in Congress and outside of Congress, the details of which we're slowly uncovering (Plame, Sibel Edmonds, warrantless wiretaps, etc.) Iraq was supposed to greet the US with flowers and kisses and then the next step on the roadway to democracy would be Iran. However, the Islamists who've been lying dormant for the last several years and either survived Afghanistan or weren't there start flocking to Iraq to fight the western evil directly. This leads to a protracted "insurgency" in Iraq which delays the plans to invade Iran (Bolton must have the bluest balls on earth).


That pretty much leads us up to today's propaganda directed at Iran.

Anything major I might have missed?



It's the Neocons (PNAC) that are behind our govt's foreign policy. The Presidents come and go but the neocons remain entrenched in power. It is THEY who must be stopped. And they must be stopped now!

There's another twist to this in that an Unholy Trinity has converged (Neocons, Norquist/small gov't camp/Religious Right). They are at their peak of power now and they aren't going to relent easily.
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blue in ohio Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:03 PM
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1. The most important part:
underfund the dept of education so as to keep america too stupid to figure it all out.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:07 PM
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3. The money trail is deep and long in this, too. Oh, and the Religious Right
still plays a major part in that the sheep are riled up every election year with Gay Marriage bans and Abortion talk and what not in order to keep the bastards in power.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:06 PM
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2. I think you've done a good job
What I don't understand is why Democrats in leadership positions aren't pointing this stuff out and raising very serious questions about why we are really interested in nuking Iran.

(BTW, it is forbidden by the Qur'an for a Muslim to fight a Muslim, or to kill innocents. So the parties promoting violence in the Muslim world have about as close connection with their faith as certain elements of fundamentalist Christians)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:34 AM
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13. Thanks...added a link this (and to Power of Nightmares) in Research Forum
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:12 PM
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4. The WMDs were shipped to Syria. Syria sponsors terrorists,
who will attack us and our allies.

I know it's just a side show, but I think that Syria is most immediately in the Neocons' sights -- a dust-up with Syria to keep the faithful happy for the 06 elections, then move on to Iran before '08, so it's still hot and we can't change our horses.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:14 PM
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5. Ah, yes, I forgot about that new twist from "Gen. Sands"...ooof
And they were so bold as to put it in the PNAC newspaper, NY Sun.


Morans.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:37 PM
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6. stolen elections?
isn't it pretty much official in democratic circles that at least 2000 was fraudulent?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:33 PM
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11. That's another angle to investigate. How are the neocons associated with
Diebold, ES&S, etc.?
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:45 PM
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7. Al Qaeda is a work of fiction.
9/11 was definitely LIHOP and I'm teetering at the brink of MIHOP.

This country needs a fucking enema.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:54 PM
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8. I'm, at the least, LIHOP, but with people like Moussaoui out there...
I'm not sure if I can fully make the leap to MIHOP.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 03:58 PM
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9. Sadly, I have to admit that is pretty much what is happening. How to STOP
it from continuing is the real question now. Who do you go after first and what the hell is it going take to convince America that this has been going on for centuries and they have to be stopped SOON?!?!?

I can't even convince my own parents that this is much more than a bad presidential term. They witnessed the last attempted takeover and they STILL don't get it. They STILL cannot connect the dots. It's kind of a see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil mentality. I gotta wonder from time to time why they can't see it. I love them and they are really good people that seem to bear no malice against anyone but they can't even see what the future effect on their children and grandchildren will be of this deficit. They seem to think we are actually gonna figure a way out of it! Maybe they have just reached that point where they realize they don't have time to worry about the rest of the world?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 04:01 PM
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10. And that's a side effect I didn't mention. The coming economic collapse.
If the GOP remains in power after '06 and '08, I don't see a way around it. They think they are building up their corporatist dream but it's all a fraud. Perhaps the few elite are stashing cash to survive the crash and abscond to some hideaway or South Pacific island?

Or is it that their ideology is so entrenched they truly feel they have us on the right path? :scared:

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 09:19 PM
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12. Kick for the evening crew.
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