No one can make you feel inferior without your consent

[LynneSin]

Paul Hackett reminded me of this quote from the great Eleanor Roosevelt!

Yes, Reid and Schumer applied the pressure but neither of them can cancel a primary election.

Paul Hackett did that - he allowed them to make him feel inferior. If he had the support from his so-called grassroots campaign it doesn't really matter what anyone else would say, he just would have needed to go forward and stop taking calls from DC politicians.

We need democrats in DC willing to fight and clearly Paul is not a fighter. He proved he was inferior by giving up and listening to people that yes, could apply pressure but no, could not stop the primaries!

That's my last word on this topic (which hopefully I'll stick to)

[Vektor]

1. Hey! That's my sig line!

And boy, Lynne, you have a LOT of Valentine hearts!

[MadMaddie]

2. LynneSin is it about feeling inferior or about being betrayed?

Hackett is a soldier and I think one of the worst things that can happen to a soldier is being betrayed, shot by friendly fire if you will.

He had the support from the grassroots but he also needed the support of the party.

He was willing to fight, but he wanted to fight on his own terms. Not those dictated by the Dem party!

Just asking?

[LynneSin]

4. So if he's 'grassroots' who the fuck cares what the party says?

Seriously - you've got two conflicting statements there

First you say he is grassroots then you say he didn't want to be dictated by the dem party.

Which is it? See, I was under the impression that grassroots was an organization built from the ground up kinda like a 'for the people' type organization. You do know Paul isn't the only 'grassroots' candidate out there fighting an uphill battle and yet I don't see Chuck Pennacchio in Pennsylvania dropping out because they don't want a primaries against Casey.

He did it to himself. You want someone who caves too quickly representing you in DC?

He he wanted to fight on his own terms he simply could have told the dem party to 'fuck off' and then go fight the battle he wanted.

He treated himself and his supporters pretty crappily if you ask me!

[MadMaddie]

8. What I think is that the Dem party does not take grassroots

candidates seriously. When they get a diamond in the rough like Hackett you would think they would pluck that diamond and groom it, leaving it's rough edges but polishing the rest.

He is also a man of his word, he told the other candidates he would drop out...if they ran. (I will have to find the quote on that one>

Yes, it is contradiction but the Dem party is going to have to reach out to these unconventional candidates whether they like it our not.

I have been having saying for a long time we have so many competing entities within the Dem party that all of them are competing with each other and unfortunately destroying good candidates. They don't have to agree on everything but they have to come to a consensus don't you think?

How do we expect to get back in power if we are like crabs in a crab bucket. We need to be fighting the opposition not ourselves.

<snip>
You want someone who caves too quickly representing you in DC?
<snip>

You are talking about almost all of our current Dem representation in Washington.

I think we all want the same thing and that is to get some power back in Washington so we can save this country before the point of no return.

Happy Valentines Day:hi:

[LynneSin]

19. You're right - I am talking about almost all of the candidates in DC

which is why I'm tired of people not standing up to what is right.

Paul has greatly disappointed me because I thought he was somebody who would stand up. Clearly he's not and therefore he's just another crab in that bucket

[MuseRider]

3. While I may not entirely agree

with what you have said about Hackett I do agree with what you said about feeling inferior. It is a lesson everyone needs to learn. It took me about 40 years to figure it out and once I did I was finally happy.

No more comments from me either. I think everyone else has covered it well.

[bvar22]

5. "clearly Paul is not a fighter"

Yes??? "And Marines Don't cut and run??"

You really have over reached.
It is also naive to insist that "inferiority" is what led to Paul's decision.

When the BIG BOYS from DC come to town and start spreading their BIG BUCKS around and "calling in favors", they can run any grassroots supported candidate out of a Primary. (It happened here in Minneapolis)

I am a Brown supporter and a solid Liberal,

Never-the Less, the DC Democratic Party Incumbents, and privately funded organizations (DCCC, DSCC) HAVE NO BUSINESS INTERFERING in local Primaries! It STINKS of Machine Politics, Incumbent Protection, Politics of Favors, and Hidden Agendas!

[LynneSin]

10. They didn't interfere - they have no way of stopping it

:eyes:

[bvar22]

16. Calm down. Of course "they" intefered in the Primary.

The documentation is all over DU.
The Party Machine's fingerprints are all over this, and they were wittessed leaving the scene.

"I made this decision reluctantly, only after repeated requests by party leaders, as well as behind the scenes machinations, that were intended to hurt my campaign."--Hackett
http://www.blogforamerica.com/archives/007500.html

Stop spamming long enough to check out some of the documentation.

NOBODY at DU has stated that they oppose Brown running against Hackett in a fair Democratic Primary.
The MAIN objection is inteference from the Good Old Boy Club in DC.
I absolutely oppose inteference in local Primaries, and I ESPECIALLY object to the funding of Beltway Annointed Primary Candidates by the DCCC and the DSCC. (I have no evidence of this in Ohio, but I have DIRECT evidence of DCCC funding of an outsider candidate in a Minnesota Democratic Primary).

[LynneSin]

17. So stop taking fricking calls from them

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He had a choice: Ignore them or Quit

Beltway Dems CANNOT STOP A PRIMARY

[bvar22]

20. *

:eyes:

[LynneSin]

21. Do you think Paul was the only guy with an uphill battle

I don't see anyone else dropping out of the race and there are plenty more across the country.

[bvar22]

28. Another Logical Fallacy

Red Herring.

We are discussing the Ohio Democratic Primary.
What others may or may not be doing is irrelevant.

[Justitia]

6. But they can call your contributors & yank your $$$ w/out your consent!

I think this is a bit more than making Hackett "feel inferior" - geez!

What's with all these threads defending this anti-democratic bullshit they have perpetrated on the
OHIO DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY VOTERS?

Why don't OH Dems get to pick their own candidate anymore?

[tishaLA]

7. The party leadership betrays him

by going to those who are giving him money. And this is about HIM feeling inferior?

Of course, someone who can post favorably about Biden can twist almost anything.

[LynneSin]

9. So just how do you define grassroots?

I mean if Paul was truly grassroots it wouldn't matter what the DC dems tell him to do nor would their money matter.

And I'm proud of Biden (most of the time) but damn, if I could have someone like Sherrod Brown as my senator - that would be sweet

[tishaLA]

12. Yes, Brown would be sweet

But it would be sweeter if beltway Democrats didn't inject themselves into the funding process--and Hackett was getting his funding from the grassroots *and* from other sources. If this is how the DSCC is going to treat candidates, by smearing them to funders and starting Rove-ish whispering campaigns about Hackett's "war crimes," they can go fuck themselves.

Pride in Biden, though...a near impossibility. One of the benefits of moving from Philadelphia to LA was that it put a few thousand miles between me and old Joe.

[LynneSin]

14. That's odd - Joe represented you in Philadelphia?

I guess that was one of the nice things of moving from Philadelphia to Wilmington was that I wasn't represented by Rick Santorum anymore. I mean, once I had him as a senator everything else was looking better. But then again I'm one of those crazy-ass democrats who refuses to wear blinders to just one issue

[tishaLA]

22. It's good to see apologists for Rove-esque

whispering campaigns against other democrats. But I won't be one of them.

[RaleighNCDUer]

13. I see it as a tactical thing.

Yes, Hackett has grassroots support. There is a certain level of funding available there.

But if the party is throwing the major funding behind Brown, then one or the other is wasting valuable funding, and they will burn out the resource before the general election.

I think either would be good, but the party was in no mood to deal with Hackett - apparently thinking him to inexperienced for a major campaign. Instead of contesting it, Hackett pulled out so Democratic resources would not be squandered in an intramural fight, and would be available to Brown in the big one.

The professional politicians saw no problem with, and probably expected, him switching to the congressional arena, thinking he could gain experience there, but he had already given his word to not run against those who had already announced for that fight. So being an honorable man, he pulls out completely.

There are other ways he can contribute without being a candidate, and I hope we will see him again, and I see no reason for bashing him.

[radio4progressives]

11. Another Apologist for Un-Principled Actions of the Self Annointed Ones..

Yes we absolutely do need Democrats who FIGHT for us - but for you to put Schumer et al as the Fighters when their record shows otherwise, against Hackett who has been fighting the good fight, is not only utterly laughable, but it turns TRUTH right up side on it's head, in TRUE ORWELLIAN FORM.

:thumbsdown:

[LynneSin]

15. HE QUIT - What part of that do you not get

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These beltway dems realized that Brown was more viable than Hackett and put their support in his race. Paul didn't like it and quit. HE QUIT HE QUIT HE QUIT HE QUIT

I'm not apologizing for a quitter. If he had the courage he would have fought.

[400Years]

24. He was getting smeared and pressured by the party machine

Why would he fight for a party that is fucking him up the ass?

your excuse making is fucking pathetic.

[LynneSin]

25. Sorta like what is happening with Brown here

:eyes:

Makes us no better than they are!

[400Years]

26. who here has attacked brown? nobody, but you have attacked hackett

calling him names and smearing his character.

Everybody I have seen has said Brown is fine but the real problem is the elitist way the Senators went about pushing Hackett out.

[LynneSin]

27. I've pointed out the obvious - he didn't have what it takes

and he quit.

I just wish people would admit it.

Everyone is all up in arms that there is some :tinfoilhat: plot of cancelling primaries. Hackett had a choice and he choose to not run.

[400Years]

30. You also pointed out the "obvious" re: Alito. We saw how that worked out

[MrBenchley]

18. Hard to get much funnier than this post...

Schumer isn't "self anointed" but elected (and by a whopping big majority too) while "fighting" Hackett lost the only race he actually ran (and to a crazy woman, no less) and quit this one before it even began (in a churlish, self-pitying way).....

Long as we want to talk about "TRUTH" in CAPITAL LETTERS.

[400Years]

23. how fucking stupid

you're twisting yourself in knots over this one.

just like you did over the Alito thing.

stop embarrassing yourself.

[LynneSin]

29. Embarassment is hardly the word

I'm embarrassed at DUers who piss and moan like they're the only people out there who vote. Some fricking 'grassroots' movement. Hell even Dean hardly did anything to stop Hackett from leaving and trust me he could. He saw him as a quitter but gave a gracious comment and moved on.

So you know what - go help get republicans elected who cares, destroy the country. The only swiftboating I see going on at DUers are people who haven't even read half of the facts and just assume that the only truth is what Paul said. They say Paul is an outsider and yet when he was rejected by the insiders he quit the game. Paul claims he was 'grassroots' but all he cared about was getting the DSCC to back his race and not Brown's.

And me twisting in a knot. I'm loving it because all this bitching and moaning about Ohio and the funny thing is - the race has already been decided - BY DIEBOLD!

[400Years]

31. well, you've embarrassed yourself on this board before

so we all know how politically astute you are.

[kentuck]

32. As a veteran of Vietnam, one thing we might tend to overlook...

is that when one returns from a warzone, it is difficult to adapt to normal routines. There is a certain undefinable need for "excitement" for war. It takes a while for that to subside. At least, that was my experience and Paul Hackett may be experiencing something similar...just a thought