Interesting statement from Jim Dean about Hackett. Cryptic.

[madfloridian]

I posted this in another forum, but this part needs scrutiny. You need to read all of it.

http://www.blogforamerica.com/archives/007501.html

"Paul, thank you for everything you have done. Take some well-deserved time off, but please, please, come back to the fight as soon as you can. You are the future of our democracy. You are the future of the Democratic Party—or the next Party—depending on whether the Democratic leadership in Congress can ever get beyond its remarkably oversized sense of entitlement.

Today they lost, but you kept your word and didn't compromise your values. We thank you for this, hope to see you soon, and wish you and your great family all the best."

—Jim Dean

[MercutioATC]

1. Wooohoo! Jim Dean!

THAT'S what I've been saying.

[Eric J in MN]

6. The Third Party movement didn't turn out well in 2000 (nt)

nt

[MercutioATC]

7. No, but the 2-party system is fucking us, too.

I'm just saying that it makes one think sometimes...

[PassingFair]

25. It is fairly obvious that a viable 3rd party is overdue.

Corporate dems are screwing us over as badly
as the pukes.

Open your eyes.

[chalky]

2. Maybe Hackett should hook up with that other Dem outcast: Howard Dean.

Imagine what a party we'd have if all the "wrong kind of Democrats" united.....

[SaveElmer]

3. Dem outcast?

So you think that the CHAIRMAN of the Democratic Party is gonna suddenly up and start a third party?

[chalky]

4. C'mon, guy. How much support have you seen Howard receive in the past?

When was the last time you saw the Dems rally round Howard? More often than not they're backpeddling away from him faster than McClellan from a Helen Thomas question.

Dean might have a shiny Democrat title, but embraced by the old guard he ain't.

[SaveElmer]

9. Dude...

He had enough support for the "old guard" to get elected chairman. I agree he is not a member of the old boys network...but an outcast? Hardly

[mdmc]

11. thats not how I remember it

I remember a bunch of people talkin shit about him...and him staying in the race...it was his for the taking, and "they" didn't dare take it away from him...

I do agree that outcast might be a little strong. :)

[SaveElmer]

12. Well you know the saying...

Squeaky wheel gets the grease. I think his critics may have been the loudest, but I don't think they were in the majority.

I think he is turning people around with his performance. He has been pretty impressive to date IMO.

[mdmc]

13. the msm LOVES him and his "loose lips"

he makes the news, and they report it. This is VERY RARE for the DNC. I'm lovin it!

peace and low stress
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_america_run_by_criminal_syndicate.htm

[Toots]

5. If the people demand it ...Yes I do..

If enough people write to Dean and make it known that is their desire. Remember Dean set all sorts of records receiving small donations from the internet. The people are what established Dean as the Chairman of the DNC and the people can establish him as a leader of a different sort. It all depends upon the people. Are more people getting more politically educated? I believe so. I believe a force like Moveon.org can make a tremendous impact upon Dean's thinking and maybe even Hackett's although Hackett has not been politically involved long enough to find it really that hard to quit. We are entering into an age where the people are going to actually have a bit of power. Gore's Internet is a great equalizer and brings people together very quickly. People can make it happen but whether they will or not remains to be seen.

[SaveElmer]

10. I have to say...

I admire your zeal and commitment...but there is no way on God's green Earth that Howard Dean is going to abandon his position as Chairman of the Party to head up a third party. It just is not going to happen, under any circumstance. Howard Dean is doing a great job as chairman, reviving moribund parties in many states where Democrats have not been organized in quite some time, and he has brought his fundraising prowess to bear on the party. There is ZERO chance he is going to abandon that. Politics is a mean shitty business, and has been for 250 years. Look around, the party is getting in better shape day by day. We have the righties on the ropes, and we have leaders now who are not gonna let em up. Dean, Reid, Schumer, Clinton, Kerry and many others have them by the balls and aren't gonna let go.

[mdmc]

14. I could see him jumping ship

if the Dems nominate Jeb Bush or Kerry+McCain or something. The people will have a leader.

[SaveElmer]

15. You think...

That the Democrats would nominate Jeb Bush?

[mdmc]

16. anything for the big victory! (and ya never know with diebold)

especially if the other candidate is Al Sharpton. Voters like people like themselves.

[RazzleDazzle]

8. Wow.

[WildEyedLiberal]

17. Wow, that's bullshit

A third party, huh? Good thing I've never sent DFA a dime of my money if they're going to undermine the Democratic party. What breathtaking arrogance.

[IndianaGreen]

18. Schumer and Reid are the ones that are undermining the Democratic Party

Go back to drinking your Kool-Aid.

[WildEyedLiberal]

20. Thanks, but no thanks

What makes you think I approve of Reid or Schumer? I just don't want Jim fucking Dean trying to undermine the Democratic party.

[loudsue]

27. Are you a Democrat first, or an AMERICAN first.

I'm sick and tired of this country putting "party" before loyalty to their country and what it stands for.

I want leaders who will LEAD this country in a good way, not get bought off by big party politics.

:kick::kick::kick:

[WildEyedLiberal]

31. You know nothing about me.

Don't you dare make presumptions about me. Do you think a vanity third party which would split the left and ensure that right-wingers win EVERY election is good for America? Jim Dean can go to hell, and the rest of his bitter little factionalists with him. I'll stay and support the candidates I like in the Democratic party because they're the only ones who have a fucking ghost of a chance of actually doing any good. Wasting your vote on a feel-good candidate with no chance in hell isn't patriotic, it's egotistical and vain.

[madfloridian]

19. Call it whatever you wish. I say he has anger. He usually doesn't.

So I posted what he said.

I doubt Jim is undermining the Democratic leadership anymore than they are undermining themselves right now.

[WildEyedLiberal]

21. Well, Reid and Schumer ARE a couple of bumblefucks

They've screwed up more times than you can count. Still, as someone who supports the Democratic party as the most viable option, I would hope this kind of bullshit division meets as much scorn from you coming from Jim Dean as it would from Ralph Nader or whatever other divisive elements out there are trying to split the left.

[zulchzulu]

22. Agreed...Rove would LOVE us to split off into a Third Party

What a better way for the Repugs to have control for dozens of years if we decide to splinter off...

[madfloridian]

23. Jim Dean agrees with you. Why is he so angry?

That is why I posted it, it is counter to his nature. Something really has made them angry.

[PassingFair]

26. The "breathtaking arrogance" label is stuck on the DCCC and the

DSCC for choosing our candidates FOR US.

Hobson's choice: Choose A or A

[elshiva]

24. "The Next Party?" Very cryptic, indeed.

Maybe he's just saying the new Dem party?? :shrug:

[Mass]

28. H have to disagree with Jim Dean on that - How can you expect that

Hasckett will fight for us if he quits because he thinks he is going to lose and that the Democratic establishment is against him.

It is true I feel closer to Brown's positions on issue, including the war, but I also think that Hackett should have stayed and fought. He basically folded to the leadership, as a good soldier he is.

[RogueTrooper]

29. I don't think it is that cryptic

I think it is an attempt, by the Dean brothers, to manager the anger of their activist base. The brothers Dean will have know that the usual suspects who will use this episode as an excuse to call for the formation of a third party. It is, after all, their usual kneejerk response to the perfidity of the Washington Democrats.

[xchrom]

30. interesting.

i'm very unhappy with beltway dems deciding the way this race was going to go.

they knew hackett had forcefully stated that he wouldn't seek the house seat -- at the expence of another dem -- he expected the same from his party.