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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 11:56 PM
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This is not a responsible article. This spreads anger about the DNC
when it is not a true statement. It confuses people who trust writers like this, and makes them angry toward the wrong people in the party.

This is the author:
"Dave Lindorff, grudging treasurer of the Philly
Local of the NWU, has been a journalist since 1973
and a full-time freelancer since 1979. A founder
of the National Writers Union, he was active in the
union's formative years in New York, as a member of
the New York local's steering committee.

A writer for such publications as Salon.com,
Business Week, The Nation, In These Times, and
others, he is also author of "Marketplace Medicine:
The Rise of the For-Profit Hospital Chains" (Bantam
1992). He recently published "Killing Time," the first
independent book about the death-penalty case of
Philadelphia journalist and former Black Panther
activist Mumia Abu-Jamal (Common Courage Press, 2002)."
http://www.nwuphilly.org/dave.html

And this part of the article sounds almost like things I read here and at other blogs, a misunderstanding of the DNC. This spreads discontent, and it is not true in light of the powerful way Howard and Jim Dean came out for Hackett today. Not fair, Mr. Lindorff.



http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_dave_lin_060214_democrats_2c_like_chen.htm

For months, the Democratic National Committee, and the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee chair, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY), have been working behind the scenes to undermine Hackett's campaign in favor of Rep. Sherrod Brown. When Hackett announced his intention to run, he met with party leaders, and with Ohio Rep. Sherrod Brown, and won a commitment from Brown not to enter into a primary fight for the Democratic senate nomination. Later, the party leadership undercut him and had Brown go back on his promise, forcing a primary battle. The undermining effort continued and Hackett finally decided Monday he didn't want the fight.

Saying he had been betrayed by his country when he was sent to Iraq, and now by his party, Hackett, a Marine reservist and a lawyer, said he was quitting politics in understandable disgust, but would continue to speak out against the war. I'm sorry he decided not to fight, but understand his disgust.

Only a few days ago, I received a call from a fund-raiser for the DNC asking me to help the party elect a Democratic Congress in 2006. I told the woman she was wasting her time, and that I would not give a penny to a corrupt and self-destructing organization that was so afraid to be a genuine opposition party that it would sabotage its own best candidates. She indignantly asked me who the DNC had sabotaged and I ran a whole list by her, from Cynthia McKinney to Cindy Sheehan. Now we can add Paul Hackett to the list.


This is so sad from a well-known writer, and I see why people get confused easily on the subject...if our progressive writers don't take time to look at the divisions of the Democrats.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 12:38 PM
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1. Now Counterpunch is carrying this irresponsible article.
http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff02152006.html

No wonder so many come here and post almost these exact words from the article. They trust these writers who should know better.

"For months, the Democratic National Committee, and the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee chair, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY), have been working behind the scenes to undermine Hackett's campaign in favor of Rep. Sherrod Brown. When Hackett announced his intention to run, he met with party leaders, and with Ohio Rep. Sherrod Brown, and won a commitment from Brown not to enter into a primary fight for the Democratic senate nomination. Later, the party leadership undercut him and had Brown go back on his promise, forcing a primary battle. The undermining effort continued and Hackett finally decided Monday he didn't want the fight."

And these word are repeated here at DU often.

"Only a few days ago, I received a call from a fund-raiser for the DNC asking me to help the party elect a Democratic Congress in 2006. I told the woman she was wasting her time, and that I would not give a penny to a corrupt and self-destructing organization that was so afraid to be a genuine opposition party that it would sabotage its own best candidates. She indignantly asked me who the DNC had sabotaged and I ran a whole list by her, from Cynthia McKinney to Cindy Sheehan. Now we can add Paul Hackett to the list."

He totally ignored the differences in the party segments.


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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 12:43 PM
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2. The view is startling that far from reality....
"She indignantly asked me who the DNC had sabotaged and I ran a whole list by her, from Cynthia McKinney..."
The DNC made McKinney's dad rant in public about "the Jews?" The DNC made McKinney run around with Louis Farrakhan? The DNC made McKinney spout nonsense about Al Gore being a racist?

"to Cindy Sheehan"
When was Cindy Sheehan a candidate?

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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:43 PM
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5. So It Is, Mr. Benchley
Equally so is the view of politics which holds that party unity and party discipline can be despensed with, and doing so will lead to success against an opponent possessing both qualities in abundance.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:51 PM
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7. We must have strong leadership!
Unless they do something I disagree with, at which point I'm going to pout and kick the floor like a two-year-old. (snicker)....

As I've said elsewhere, for me the most delicious thing about this whole temepst in a teapot is that after months and months of threads demanding that "We" (chortle, snort) purge from the Democratic party everyone who isn't progressive in a way that pleases our purists.

Paul "Deport 'em all" Hackett, whose views on gun control and immigration are indistinguishable from racist Tom Tancredo, quits the Ohio Senate race in a huff, leaving the way clear for PDA endorsed Sherrod Brown.

And not only do some imagine that this is the purge they've been calling for, now they're frothing with rage that they got whatthey asked for.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:52 PM
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9. And the people had no choice in picking the candidate.
Snicker.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:56 PM
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10. And you won't have Paul Hackett to kick around any more.
Hackett QUIT, and then tried to blame other people for his failures.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:00 PM
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13.  You never have to back things up that you say. I do.
You just make a statement and never have to back it up.

I do, I have to back up everything I say here. I mean if I say something controversial, I better have a dozen good sources...even then I get bashed.

You just say anything and never have to back it up.

Must be nice.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:02 PM
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14. Uh-huh......I'm sure there's a point there somewhere....
Was there something you wanted backed up? Are you disputing that Hackett quit the race?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:57 PM
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11. I don;t disagree totally -- but it's tragic -- not delicious
This is not something to be gleeful about. Nor is an "I told you so" the appropriate response.

It's fucked up and sad and will make it more difficult for us to take back the country.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:59 PM
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12. What's tragic? That a handful of hypocrites got shown up?
That the people screaming for a witch hunt got unmasked for what they are?

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:04 PM
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15. It's not hypocracy -- It's confusion
And anything that makes it more likely that Mike Dewine will win is tragic.

If you mean what you always say about doing anything to make the democrats win, you should be worried not basking in some imagined sense of payback or validation.



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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:20 PM
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16. I'd be worried, except
that I always thought a lot of the people calling for purges weren't really Democrats anyway.....

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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:50 PM
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20. weren't really Democrats? Well lookee here, another "purist"
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 08:52 PM by thebigidea
If only we could arrange some kind of purge.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:34 PM
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25. Nope, I leave the "purge" fantasies to the far left.....
along with their cheap-ass slurs.

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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:10 PM
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3. Opednews.com is not a very reliable source
A few weeks ago that ran a story that implied that Bob Casey, Jr. was affiliated with the DLC.
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:37 PM
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4. In a matter of seconds this thread will be filled with
people claiming Casey is DLC although he is the idealogical OPPOSITE.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:51 PM
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8. The gripes I have heard about Casey have more to do with religious
views about women not having the right to the morning after pill, and not having a right to have an abortion. I have not heard him accused of much else here, but his stand on women's rights is pretty bad.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:44 PM
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6. When the left writers don't get their facts straight it's more damaging
than the RW propaganda.

Imagine if the left leaning media only reported the FACTS and added commentary based on those facts, instead of analyzing based on what they THINK THEY KNOW THEY HEARD ABOUT SOMETHING.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:33 PM
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17. In spite of being sent emails by many of us....the articles still there.
And still misleading. I expect better from progressive media.

Once some of us wrote Consortium because they had a story with some facts wrong about Dean. They immediately got back to us, said they were doing some research on it, and took out the offending part for then. They handled it properly. Counterpunch and Opednews are not.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:46 PM
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18. That's because Robert Parry is a REAL reporter who cares about facts. If
he got a fact wrong, he'd kick himself and correct it.

The others are more polemicists who can spin and avoid facts as well as the Republicans can.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:55 PM
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27. Yes, he is the one I heard back from.
I was impressed.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:43 PM
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19. I don't remember Hackett mentioning the DNC in any of his statements.
I do remember Chairman Dean stating that the DNC doesn't get involved in contested primaries. I thought that state party chairs, county party chairs, etc. are supposed to remain neutral during a contested primary and support the candidate who wins the primary. I don't recall circumventing the primaries being on anyone's job description list. Silly me.

From the article that you posted I can understand the confusion though.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:56 PM
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21. Right, the DSCC and DCCC take care of that.
The DNC is busy rebuilding the party in the states in this off year. Then they will have to be ready for the 08 presidential campaign.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:59 PM
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22. True, this DoublePlusUngood article is counter-revolutionary.
We mustn't let people be confused by hearing too many opinions. Definitely a thoughtcrime against Chairman Dean and the Party.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:28 PM
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23. Now that is just silly.
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 09:29 PM by madfloridian
It is silly because it misses the point.

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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:04 PM
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29. LOL
*snerk*
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:34 PM
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30. I am sad you think that is what this was about.
If I post something, no matter what, you seem to jump on it. This is serious, the article is very incorrect, and it is not a "snerking" matter or a "snarking" matter.

I am sorry you do this.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:46 PM
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31. I was replying to Radical Activist, not you
I find Orwell references funny, and I found this one to contain a gram of truth.

I'm sorry you ignore the several times I agree with you, and only reply to me when I disagree. Not that I was even addressing you in this thread at all.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:08 PM
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36. I think that was
perhaps my funniest post on DU ever. It has Orwell and authoritarian communist references as well. I'm glad you liked it. :) It did of course make a serious point.
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:34 PM
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37. But factually inaccurate is okay with you, as long as you can call
it an "opinion"????

How truly sad.

DNC not only had nothing to do Hackett's candidacy's demise, but spoke out loudly against it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:15 PM
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24. How things spread if not corrected...on Monsters and Critics, his quotes.
about the DNC being one of the ones who did Hackett in. It would have been so simple to correct it right away.

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/northamerica/article_1130385.php/Hackett_Ohio_fiasco_rocks_Dems

And they are quoting the UPI, and now it is all over the place. No wonder people who come here simply don't know the difference.

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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:36 PM
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26. Madfloridian, as we well know many of these "Left wing" writers
Madfloridian, as we well know many of these "Left wing" writers are no more Democrats than Karl Rove is. Their dream is to bring about some new left party that they imagine will arise from the ruins of the Democratic Party if only it can be destroyed. The revival of the grassroots and the reforms being carried out in the party under the chairmanship of Howard Dean are disastrous for their strategy. Everything they do, every word they write is aimed at spreading confusion and discouraging those of us who are truly committed to having a voice in our party from continuing our work.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:58 PM
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28. Oh, how right you are. I see it everywhere.
If Dean succeeds at rebuilding this party and letting the people get involved, it makes it harder to argue for a 3rd party.

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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:51 PM
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32. Drat! Our devious plot to destroy the party has been uncovered!
Damn that Howard Dean!

He's making it harder for us to spread confusion and discouragement!

Hell, guess I'll have to go back to hanging out with my good buddy Rove!

Casting aspersions on the motives of people who would like to see the party move ever so slightly to the left is not very smart.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:54 PM
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33. Not casting aspersions...I am one of those people.
I just believe in doing it fairly, and articles like this one are not true at all. I am amazed that there has no response from the above websites about our emails to them. Some websites take truth very seriously.

Hey, don't jump on me, I am one who wants to the party to move left. I just want it done fairly.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:59 PM
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34. It was No Pasaran's post #26 to which I referred.
The one you agreed with.

As for the factually incorrect article, I have no problem with you pointing that out.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:19 PM
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35. I have to say a couple of things about this
First, there is a great deal of difference between hoping the party would move a teensy bit over to the left and the fantasies of assorted greens, naderites and socialists that some mass party of purists would spring up if only the mean ol' Democrats would fold their tents and disappear.

Secondly, and it hurts me to say this as someone who believe it or not has been on the left for thirty or so years, I have come to the conclusion that left wing ideas are just not very popular in the US. There is no great untapped reservoir of left political strength waiting for the suitable candidate or party to come along. This is not to say that leftist sentiment could not develop in the future; I certainly hope that it can. In fact, the task I think you really need to take up is moving the American people more to the left... when the people move, the party will follow.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:42 PM
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38. Probably just the beginning
We'll be seeing a lot more GOP manipulation of Dem voters. Divide and conquer, exploiting the alliance between the liberal and centrist wings of the Dem party - they are masters.
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