Hackett-Brown Timeline of Candidacies. Who's on 1st?

[Pryderi]

Did Hackett declare his candidacy 1st? Did Dem leadership ask him to run for the Senate? Does anyone have the information/timeline with links?

TIA

[Deep13]

1. You can find it in the garbage can of irrelevancy.

What difference does it make? We have our candidate and ought to be focused on removing corporate and fundy apologist Mike DeWine from the Senate. We need five or six seats for a majority and infighting will not help that already ambitious goal.

[Pryderi]

2. Ok. I'll sit down and shut up.

[Botany]

3. this help?

<For months, the Democratic National Committee, and the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee chair, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY), have been working behind the scenes to undermine Hackett's campaign in favor of Rep. Sherrod Brown. When Hackett announced his intention to run, he met with party leaders, and with Ohio Rep. Sherrod Brown, and won a commitment from Brown not to enter into a primary fight for the Democratic senate nomination. Later, the party leadership undercut him and had Brown go back on his promise, forcing a primary battle. The undermining effort continued and Hackett finally decided Monday he didn't want the fight.>

http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=N...

[Pryderi]

4. nm...I did a search and found it

[Kukesa]

5. Here, Pryderi --

it's from our Ohio forum and should answer all your questions.

Link here:

http://tinyurl.com/dveg5

[Pryderi]

7. Excellent! Thanks!

[Douglas Carpenter]

6. sherrod brown is endorsed by PDA and a Progressive Caucus member

Brown Tops DeWine in New Poll
An Opinion Consultants poll finds Ohio voters favor Rep. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) for the U.S. Senate over incumbent Sen. Mike DeWine (R-OH), 43% to 38%

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/01/26/brown_tops_dewine_in_new_poll.html

Sherrod Brown is endorsed by PDA (Progressive Democrats of America) and is an outspoken member of the Progressive Caucus.

Representative Brown is at least as liberal as Sen. Kennedy or Sen. Feingold

courtesy of vote smart - link:

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=H3141103&type=category&category=Foreign%2BAid%2Band%2BPolicy%2BIssues&go.x=12&go.y=8


2006 In 2006 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Brown a rating of A.

2005 In 2005 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Brown a rating of A.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Council on American-Islamic Relations 100 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs (WRMEA) 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Peace Action 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 84 percent in 2003-2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 96 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 50 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Council of La Raza 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 77 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 90 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Education Association 89 percent in 2003-2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Postal Workers Union 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2004.

2004 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 88 percent of the time.

2004 On the votes that the Service Employees International Union considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Communications Workers of America 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 100 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 95 percent in 2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2004.

2004 On the votes that the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 94 percent in 2003-2004.

2004 In 2004 National Organization for Women endorsed Representative Brown.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

[Pryderi]

8. Sherrod Brown will lose.

[Deep13]

10. You base this conclusion on what exactly?

If Ds keep undermining him because of this ill-conceived hero worship of Hacket, then you are right.

[Pryderi]

11. Charisma Counts.

[Deep13]

15. 1. No it doesn't. 2. So what?

Sherrod has charisma. Hackett (who I will remind everyone is no longer a candidate) has bluntness. Some people appreciate that. Many do not. Sherrod is an engaging speaker that makes the audience what to trust him.

Most people will never hear either candidate make a stump speech. Consequently, advertising is far more important than charisma. Jesus, how much charisma does Bush have or Taft or DeWine? Pretty much none and yet they have done very well politically. Except for the presidency which has a lot more exposure than other offices, charisma is almost irrelevant.

[Pryderi]

18. People don't like to vote for Party aparatchiks. Brown has no appeal

in Southern Ohio.

[Deep13]

19. Neither candidate has much appeal in Upper Kentucky.

Fortunately, Brown has a lot of support in the north where the bulk of Ohio's population and nearly all of the Dem. base is.

Sun Tsu wrote in the Art of War never to attack the enemy's strength, but only his weakness. MacArthur rephrased this as, "Hit 'em where they ain't." Hamilton Co. Rs and right-to-lifers will never support us.

I don't know what an aparatchick is, so I cannot comment.

[Pryderi]

20. Then why did Bush carry Ohio?

[Deep13]

21. Many, many reasons.

State issue 1 turned out the Fundies.

Blackwell and Diebold screwed around with the voters.

Kerry was damn confusing, had no clear message on security.

Bush ran an effective fear-based campaign. People fell for it.

Kerry painted to look like a radical, was not successful in counteracting it.

Bush was probably bugging his phone.

Bush was nominated a month later than JK and therefore had more Fed. $$ at the end of the campaign.

Kerry was too nice. Brought boxing gloves to a gun fight, so to speak.

Corporate media.

[rinsd]

26. "Hit 'em where they ain't."

That was baseball player Willie Keeler. He also said "learn what pitch you hit good and wait for that pitch".

MacArthur does have some great ones though

http://en.thinkexist.com/quotes/douglas_macarthur/

"aparatchick" - usually means party flunky.

[Douglas Carpenter]

22. Brown Tops DeWine in New Poll

An Opinion Consultants poll finds Ohio voters favor Rep. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) for the U.S. Senate over incumbent Sen. Mike DeWine (R-OH), 43% to 38%
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/01/26/brown_tops_dewine_in_new_poll.html

[Botany]

9. This is not about Brown!

This about the process and did the "good old boy network" hamstring Hackett?
You know, "Run back and run for the house .... you haven't kissed the right
ass and been around long enough to run for senate."

Imagine the temerity of Paul, a smart talented straight talking person who is
highly successful in his own life wants to run for Senate and doesn't want to
go back on his word ....... We sure don't need people like him in the party.

[Deep13]

12. This is about wanting to win in the Senate.

Frankly, Hackett was damaged goods and he damaged it himself. He lost to Schmidt (NOT Portman). He has no money, no political base, no experience running a state-wide campaign and frankly his peevish manner has greatly reduced the respect I once had for him. Frankly, it was fanciful even to enter this race. His resignation letter was the equivillent of tossing a grenade in the room as he left.

If Sherrod cannot win this race, then Hackett sure as hell can't. He told an interviewer that anyone who voted for issue 1 in 2004 is unamerican. That's 3/4 of the voters! What kind of ad will DeWine make out of that? My wife and I gave Hackett $1000 when he ran for Congress, but never again.

[Pryderi]

13. Hackett had a 7 point lead over DeWine.

http://tinyurl.com/9nxmo

[Deep13]

16. That is not a very encouraging poll generally.

Even with a D win in Ohio, it shows the Senate composition unchanged.

Anyway, both Hacket and Brown were out polling Dewine. This is because DeWine has never been very popular and because he has not started his smear campaign yet where DeWine will string together all of Hackett's rough statements to the media including the chicken-hawk remarks OR will accuse Brown of raising taxes, being soft on defense and taking your guns away. The real issue is who can beat him at his game?

[Botany]

14. you could not be more wrong.

this does not pass the smell the test.

[Deep13]

17. Nonsense, I can always be MORE wrong.

I predict that the Ds will sweep Congress and that Nancy Pelosi will be president when Bush and Cheney flee the country with Fitz on their tails. How about that?

Smell test? Is that what our analysis comes down to? Smell test?:wtf:

[Hippo_Tron]

23. I sure as hell hope you are right

But right now I just see a bunch of beltway insiders trying to make the '06 elections a numbers game and nothing is going to change the fact that the numbers are in the GOP's favor.

[iconoclastNYC]

24. Doesn't matter!!!

There are no promises in politics.

[Larkspur]

25. Brown had passed on the senate race initially and when no other Dem

would take the challenge, Hackett was encouraged to run for the senate by the grassroots and DSCC. As Hackett was in Washington DC conferring with Senate Dems, Brown changed his mind.

Brown screwed up. He should have said when he got the initial invite that he would form an exploratory committee to investigate a run for the senate. This would have halted the search for a candidate and allow Hackett to keep prepping for another run against Schmidt.

Brown is the stronger candidate and the more progressive one but he created this mess and he better win in November.