Don't know bout you, but I feel helluv patronized......

[FrenchieCat]

By my party leaders!

They are added to my long list; the media, the corporations, the GOP, on and on and on.

The same Dem folks who brought you the succumbing to the IWR vote, the Patriot Act, etc., etc., etc... have decided that they know better than we, the people, about what's up and what's down.

Funny thing is that I knew the Iraq War Vote was used as pure manipulation during congressional election 2002.

"They said they were misled" and many have apologized. Far as I'm concerned.....if I knew, they certainly should have had an inkling.....

In reference to Hackett vs. Brown, it ain't who each of them are, or even what they each believe....as much as the fact that as helpless as I already feel, the last thing I needed was confirmation that, in the long run, I don't even even make a bit of difference. It's all figured out for me by the time I see a ballot.

Many Americans are already turned off from politics...and I'm starting to understand exactly why. It's cause "the people" ain't running shit and most are smart enough to know it!

PS. In the PR department, our Dems leaders smell like shit. I thought it was the other gang that couldn't shoot straight. Now I realize the gang is here and there!

[Erika]

1. It's been a tough time

Very few Americans agreed to go to Iraq, but only did so when this lying administration said we had to or we could die from mushroom clouds above our cities (I was actually lectured by a co-worker for not appreciating how W wanted to protect us).

All of it was lies. But W kept on pushing if we disagreed, we were traitors. The politicians acted accordingly. There were only a few who had the guts, like Kucinich, to say no way.

I prefer lying with the dems to the republicans, any day.

[FrenchieCat]

3. Since that's the c hoice.....Dems or Pubs, I guess so.....

But like I said....this Hackett thing makes me feel more insignificant than I care to feel......

[ChipsAhoy]

2. Look what happened to the cloture vote!

You are right - the people ain't running shit.

I'm still so terribly let down by the Alito nightmare.

[inthebrain]

4. That's why I keep telling people

You have to change this party from the outside in if you want to change it.

If you don't want to vote for greens on the state level, do it on the local level. Give them some town mayoralships, schoolboards etc.

See what happens at the top of the Dem party. I think it's a smart way to go if you really feel that voting for a Green on the Federal Level hurts Democrats. Personally I can't hold my nose and pull the lever for a candidate I can't stand. I would rather vote just to make my voice heard.

Most need to understand that you can't fight corruption by playing inside the corrupt system. It's not rigged in a manner that will let you win.

[Kurovski]

5. I do too. (feel patronized)

And that is the whole big stinky part about the chat Hackett had with The Darling Boys of Washington. THAT is the point that some are choosing to miss.

The excuse about money is horseshit (although I wouldn't be surprised if Hackett was told point-blank that they will make it difficult for him to get funding) we can raise plenty on the internet--Dean proved that. Even republicans would give.

The powerful folks think Hackett can't win. but people from all walks of life think he can. (or could have).

We don't get a choice (in this instance Ohio doesn't)

The same decisions were made about Dean, and the same decisions will likely be made for us in 08. Maybe that's the way it's been for awhile now, but I for one am fed up with it.

We'll hear the same crapola excuses fed to us as if we were idiots not paying attention to media's part, the Washington Establishment's part, and "certain" Dem's parts in sinking any races they find unsuited to their purposes.

Yes, FrenchieCat, we're completely patronized.

And then there's election fraud.

[unkachuck]

6. thank you....

....Welcome to America, 2006....

[FrenchieCat]

7. AND I feel patronized by those on these board who keep telling

me that Brown is really progressive, and that Hackett wasn't.

It's like, that ain't even the point!

[rucky]

9. exactly. It's more of an "end justifies the means" question.

and it doesn't. The PROCESS of democracy is what's at stake here. I'm a Brown supporter (donor and on the volunteer list) in OH and I'm outraged by this move. I blame the DSCC's meddling in OUR primary. Brown's a class act, and has been from Day 1 (as has Hackett). It would've gone down as a friendly primary where Ohians can decide their best guy to unseat DeWine.

[FrenchieCat]

10. And see, that's the thing.....

You don't get to decide; they do!

And the twist is that they actually believe that they know better.....

And based on what I have observed for quite some time....they don't seem to have a clue whatsoever!

It's like, who died and made them the boss of me?
As foolish as I am, I could have sworn that they were public servants doing the People's business.

[rucky]

8. the Elites in BOTH Parties have reason to fear Democracy.

because we will not hesitate to vote their asses out of office if we see fit to.

What they don't realize is that it's stunts like Reid's & Shumer's that's going to get their asses voted out. Republicans can manipulate their constituents, but Democrats don't stand for it.

[radio4progressives]

11. Check this link...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2463240

[FrenchieCat]

12. If it could happen, about the electoral college, I mean.....

that would be great...problem is the math is not near there....the 3/4 of states needed to abolish it.

:hi:

[autorank]

13. Hearts to you Frenchie! We are "the little people" they are our "leaders"

They hand it out, we take it.

Democracy has never been part of our tradition, they tell us over and over. We're
a "Republic"..an is the real message.

The Republicans are rougher on Rice than our guys, who seem busy screwing great
veteran candidates running for office. It's d.e.m.o.c.r.a.c.y .... let the people
choose their candidate in the primary and then go forward from there.

I see why you feel patronized but I'm betting you become very pissed off soon.

Good motivation.

I'm distressed that the Democratic wing of the Democratic party has to beg for coverage.

Clark gives a great counter state of the union, barely a blip.

Dean smacks the party for the stupidity over Hackett, barely a blip.

Gore gives the most important speech since FDR declared war, a minor blip.

Instead we get the "leaders" who lose every battle.

Time for some winners.

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY

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