I Just Told MoveOn To Pack It

[Mark E. Smith]

They're going after Democratic Congressman Henry Cuellar of Texas.

I cannot support an organization that attacks Democrats, no
matter what the rationale.

I can no longer support MoveOn or any of its efforts. My only
regret here is that I sent them money in the past.

I just sent Cuellar $100.

[joeybee12]

1. Um, have you not posted in a year? Cuellar is about to turn Repuke!

I suggest you go to dailykos and other blogs--all the Dems are supporting his primary opponent--Ciro. Bes ure to see the video of Bush kissing Cuellar.

[Sydnie]

8. that was the one that sat on the puke side during the SOTU right? nt

[Freddie Stubbs]

59. What proof do you have that he is about to switch parties?

:shrug:

[formernaderite]

60. sheila jackson lee runs to get kissed by bush

every SOTU....how do you know hes about to switch parties?

[alarimer]

2. Henry Cuellar might as well be a Repuke

Ciro Rodriguez is much better.

[brainshrub]

3. Cuellar is a Republican enabler.

Fuck him.

[Rick Myers]

4. Henry Cuellar is a repuke asshat.

He makes Lieberman look like a RADICAL!

[acmejack]

5. I couldn't afford to offset that $100

But I did duly send my $28. Henry is going down, the man has sold us out for the last time.

[lukasahero]

49. I picked up the balance. :)

Haven't we learned anything? Dems who do not fight for "we the people" don't deserve to represent us.

[Bark Bark Bark]

6. Oh...You Mean THIS Cuellar?

You just wasted a hundred bucks.

http://www.lonestarproject.net/test.html
http://mydd.com/story/2006/2/15/11051/1831
http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/stories/MYSA021106.01B.Cuellar_Unions.1606acd6.html

Visit Eschaton/Atrios, catch up. (You may have to dig a little because of the Cheney As Fudd stuff.) Cuellar's about as "Democrat" as Liebermann and Miller.

[Texacrat]

30. Jimmy Carter supported CAFTA

Does that make him a Republican?

I don't believe a issue that did not go along party lines at all should be a litmus test, IMHO.

[Bark Bark Bark]

32. Just Providing Some Samples

I don't believe in one-issue litmus tests, either. But this joker is no Democrat, and he's certainly not the best candidate running. I could pile up all sorts of links, but don't have the time. I think embracing the Minutemen and attacking labor unions are huge warning signs by themselves.

To quote the Lone Star Project: "With Henry Cuellar, it is not about conservative or liberal. It is about betrayal and dishonesty. Cuellar's voting record and his efforts to eliminate Democratic colleagues from Congress reflect a politician who cares only for himself and not for those he represents or the ideals of the Democratic Party."

[Rowdyboy]

7. Sorry, you're supporting Bush's favorite Texas Democrat who's challenged

by a real Democrat who would represent the party. Moveon has merely chosen the correct side in a party primary.

[snowbear]

9. Cuellar ....... ACK !!!!!

Get your money back!!!

Bush and Cuellar:

[bliss_eternal]

15. They look they are going to make out!

:rofl:

[Canuckistanian]

10. Cuellar just joined forces with Tom Tancredo

He wants to finance the Minuteman Group. He has now joined the ultra-racicts.

[madfloridian]

11. So is DFA going after Cuellar.

Cuellar has the Club for Growth support, he sat with the Republicans at the SOTU.
DFA is supporting Rodriguez.

[madfloridian]

12. Smoochy face with Bush, picture.

[Cascadian]

13. Hooray for MoveOn!

If Democrats started acting like Democrats and not a bunch of Neocon enablers and wimps then MoveOn would not be going after those so-called "Democrats" who betray the party! Iam glad MoveOn is there. It is simply calling B.S. on those who vote for the Neocons and their twisted bills in the Capitol.


John

[madfloridian]

14. DFA..make DINOs extinct...join the call with Rodiguez. Link.

http://www.blogforamerica.com/archives/007506.html



Make DINOs extinct: Join the call
Since Friday, you have raised over $30,000 for Ciro Rodriguez's March 7 primary challenge against DINO (Democrat in Name Only) Henry Cuellar.

Because of your contributions, the Rodriguez campaign has been able to produce a powerful advertisement showing Henry Cuellar sitting with the Republicans at the State of the Union and getting a disturbingly warm embrace from President Bush. It will go up on air later this week.

Future Congressman Ciro Rodriguez is going to take some time out of his incredibly busy schedule this Thursday, February 16 to personally say "thank you." I'd like to invite you to join the call. (I think the call be up shortly...archived)

[bliss_eternal]

16. Thanks for the link

and picture, madfloridian! :hi: Good to see you!

[movonne]

17. Are you nuts or do you like dems that are repugs??? have you

been reading anything on this man???or maybe you have another agenda...

[Cascadian]

18. But at least they are Dems!

They have a "D" at the end of their name. If Genghis Khan were a Democrat, I would vote for him! I think the Democrats were right to vote for Bush's Iraq invasion and I am proud that they did nothing against Alito!

:sarcasm:

Just remember you only have two choices when voting, it's either Republican or Republican Lite!

:sarcasm: again!

I cannot help but be sarcastic! It is almost a requirement with the state of the Democrats these days!


John

[sendero]

19. Smooth move..

... ex lax.

[Imalittleteapot]

20. Thank goodness they're going after Cuellar!!!!!!!!!

He's a Bush suck up.
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[snowbear]

21. Maybe we're being too hard on Mark... Maybe he wasn't aware?

Mark, hopefully you were able to find out a little more about Cuellar from all the posts here?

You've always been an awesome poster here, and I can't imagine you ever supporting a Bushie kisser who dissed the Democratic party..

For all we know you've been out of the loop as far as news goes? :shrug:

Henry Cuellar made major news after what the media called that "KISS OF DEATH" moment at the State of the Union.

After that picture was published, his fundraising and poll numbers dissolved like a snowball in Hell. Hopefully you were able to find out a little more about Cuellar that you weren't aware of from everyone's info here?

I don't think anyone was trying to be hard on you.. but the guy is bad news. And heck.. you could've been in Costa Rica for the past 2 months for all I know.. :shrug: I hope you stop back in.

[Mark E. Smith]

22. Yeah, probably not the best decision. He does seem to suck.

But no matter, I'm off DU from now on. I can't stand the Dem bashing. I'm sickened by a lot of the garbage I read on here, and I honestly don't want anything to do with this place anymore.

DU has precious little to do with the Democratic Party any more. Most here seem to have about as much regard for it as Rush Limbaugh or any of the equally (to me, at least) offensive assholes on the right. I will content myself with going to local Democratic meetings, passing out flyers, stuff like that.

See you all down the road.

[snowbear]

23. Wait !!!

No one was bashing you!! ...Just the decision to go with that creepy Rethug.

When I looked at how many posts were piling up... I had a feeling we were being too hard on you..

Don't leave Mark! :hug: ~ ~ :hug:

[wyldwolf]

24. Hey, Mark, I respect what you're saying

But I believe in the past year, DU has had a little more to do with the Democratic Party. Sure, there are tons of Democrat bashers here, but lately there have been a lot of Dem defenders as well.

But anyway, "going to local Democratic meetings, passing out flyers, stuff like that" is certainly more productive than whining and banging on a keyboard all day like the Dem bashers do. I suspect very few of the Democrat bashers do any of the things you mentioned.

My magic 8-ball says certain DUers will now pile on.

[Name removed]

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[wyldwolf]

26. "If you're serious about politics you'll do the same."

Nah, I have a political life outside of DU.

DU is just fun for me.

[orleans]

28. jerks? damn! can't stand people who call me names and don't

even know me.

no loss.

bye!

[thebigidea]

35. pretty melodramatic. It'd just be easier to stop reading & posting.

[renie408]

36. Whew! Since I am a political dilletante, I can keep my account

Sounds to me like somebody said something stupid, got busted for it and picked up their toys and went home.

And somehow WE who stay here are the un-serious jerks. Go figure.

[mitchum]

51. See ya later, facilitator!

[Texacrat]

29. Your point is very valid Mark

However, isn't our party (as all parties are) built on free primaries. If MoveOn were opposing Cuellar in the general election, I would be fundamentally opposed to that, but MoveOn is just making their preference known for the primary. I don't see what is wrong with that.

Personally, I'm ambivalent to Cuellar. I do know that he was the SOS for Perry, but I don't think that alone should be a disqualifier.

[NativeTexan]

63. You are correct without a doubt. But for ME......

....voting with the opposition as much of the time as he does, like my congressman did BEFORE he finally changed parties, should disqualify him. I have no problem with the occasional cross-partyline voting, but his record is ridiculous...

WELCOME TO DU, TEXACRAT!!

[tkmorris]

31. You've got to be kidding me

You just made a COLOSSAL error in getting upset at MoveOn for going after Cuellar, then when the good folks here at DU straighten you out about that you are gracious enough to admit that you just threw $100 down a well and that Cuellar IS in fact, a schmuck.

Then, in response to DU'ers clearing you up on exactly what Cuellar is all about, you decide to LEAVE DU?!? This is ridiculous. You clearly need a good source of information about what exactly all these democrats are about, most especially ones who hang a "D" after there name and do absolutely nothing else for the party, and you turn your back on the best source you have. Do you normally bounce your head off of concrete walls to cure headaches?

[Bridget Burke]

39. If you stop posting, you should at least keep lurking.

Perhaps you find too much "garbage" here. But there is also useful information.

You learned something today. Perhaps you can continue to learn. At least, contribute to local candidates in the future--not ones of whom you know as little as you knew of Henry Cuellar.

[Vickers]

46. "I can't stand the Dem bashing." That guy is not a Dem.

:shrug:

Sure, it says "D" after his name, but in this case it stand for "dumbass."

[lukasahero]

50. Given what you just admitted learning here on DU - ie - this guy sucks

don't you think you should stick around and keep learning?

The fact is, there are *some* "Dems" who deserve to be "bashed" - those that uphold the values of the Repugs need to know once and for all that we do not support them.

Of course, you could do both - keep learning about who truly represents Democratic values AND go out there and support the ones that do.

[TahitiNut]

67. Buh-bye!

:shrug:

[RagingInMiami]

68. What has the democratic party done for us lately?

[sandnsea]

27. Cuellar is a horrible Dem

So bad the Blue Dogs won't have him. Good to run against Cuellar, as long as they use it as an opportunity to talk up real Democratic values and not just bash Dems.

[lostnfound]

64. And Ciro is a great democrat. Cuellar stole the election. nt

[Aaaargh]

33. Tsk, tsk! It is ALWAYS wrong to oppose a Democrat incumbent in a primary!

Unless, of course, the incumbent is some kinda goddamn looney-tooney leftist NUT like Cynthia McKinney!

Gimme an H!

Gimme a Y!

Gimme a P! (etc.)

[Boo Boo]

34. Man, I can't believe you sent that buttwipe a hundred bucks!

Anti-abortion. Anti-Gay marriage. Sits with Republicans during the SOTU... I'll guarantee that MoveOn is not alone in going after Henry "Buttwipe" Cuellar. He's a marked man.

Are you sure you're not a troll?

[seabeyond]

37. all the fuckin mess in htis nation, and dem org goes after dem

that is the stupidest damn thing i have yet to hear in the democratic party. i see it on this board, and amazes me, but one of our orgs that we really need to get down and do some fuckin work to help go after media.... ergo repugs..... and they spend our time and our money going after a dem

[Bridget Burke]

40. Please read other posts on this thread.

Cuellar is not a very good Democrat.

[seabeyond]

44. ok. but i bet i could come up with a zillion repugs that arent good

for this nation. we... we the people are created the democratic party as weak and they we.... we the people bitch endlessly about the democratic party being weak. have you ever been on a competitive athletic team in competition. this is not how we become strong. i hear endless attack on dem. i dont see the support and backing of dem when they speak out. i hear a constant chopping at the knees of dems, creating weak. and we are the ones doing it. this is just another example how we the people create a weak democratic party. i guess you dont get it. unless it is an effort to keep dem weak, and making htem weaker yet, so we can simply bitch and pee all over ourselves in distress

limited resources. why isnt moveon going to areas where dem cadidates can take a repug place, and support that candidate.

lets see, what is more effective

[seabeyond]

45. going after a damn dem in texas. i live in texas. in a campaign right

now. i am dealing with the money repug telling me to support a repug cause really she is a dem jsut cant run as that. a first female mayor, really a dem but cant run as that.....

going after a dem in texas

just shaking head. what a waste

[Arugula Latte]

55. Cuellar is a Bush Tool.

Defeating him will send a strong, much-needed message.

[Bridget Burke]

53. If you think that keeping a Bush-loving Dem in office is a good idea,

I guess I don't "get it."

[NativeTexan]

38. Cuellar is just like Ralph Hall, my Congressman who....

...as a Dem, voted with the fascists continually and refused to change parties...telling ME personally by email that he could best serve in our party. THEN when it became the popular thing to do...which it is now....he changed over FINALLY!! LET CUELLAR GO so we can at LEAST have a REAL Dem to run on our ticket down there!

[Coexist]

41. Yeah, and they were mean to Zell Miller too...

:sarcasm:

and I bet they have a problem with the fantabulous Mr. Lieberman... those moonbats!

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/2/182856/9278

Henry Cuellar, the incumbent "Democrat", is very, very conservative. We know he has the Club for Growth endorsement. But did you know the Blue Dog Dems didn't want him in their caucus? For those of you who don't know, the Blue Dogs are so far to the party's right flank that they make the DLC look like Dennis Kucinich by comparison. Yet, despite asking to be in the caucus, he's not a member. Not to mention he arrived in DC with a ton of baggage:

In Washington, Democrats say they will monitor Cuellar's votes before deciding how warmly to embrace a man who calls himself pro-gun, pro-free trade, anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage. Several House Democrats, hearing rumors that Cuellar might switch parties, took the unusual step of asking him to confirm his party loyalty.

(edited to add bold to the good part)

[OzarkDem]

42. Agree about MoveOn, not about Cuellar

Its a very slippery slope when outside groups, regardless how progressive they are, begin working from the outside to unseat Dems. They're entitled to their opinion, but I'm not going to support it. I left Working Assets during the Clinton years for the same reason.

Cuellar may be a bad Dem and I'd do all I could to see he's sent packing, but only through the party process. What if they choose my Congressman next for some issue they disagree with him on? No thanks.

[Coexist]

43. MoveOn sent members a survey before they did this

and an OVERWHELMING majority of them said, "Please, do this."

Listening to their donating, volunteering members - the people who ARE MoveOn, is the right thing to do. Period.

[Daylin Byak]

47. True

Just seeing the picture of Cuellar and Bush holding each other just makes you want to vote him out because of that.

Good job Moveon.org, but my question is this Is Cuellar just as bad as Ben Nelson or they the same, meaning is Cuellar the House version of Nelson.

[catmother]

57. yes. i answered their survey.

[ellie]

65. I told MoveOne that I agreed with this

This isn't about attacking our own. These DINOs aren't Democrats. How hard is that to figure out? Just because they have a D behind their name?

[Catrina]

52. I thought I read some of your posts supporting attacking Dems, even

supporting nasty whisper campaigns against them coming from inside the party. Why would you object to Moveon doing what the PEOPLE actually want? Is it 'anything goes, even vicious Rovian attacks' so long as the 'Party' does it? But if the people want it, let's ignore it??

I'm very confused by your position on this ~ you were fully supportive of the unseating of Democratic candidate Hackett by a nasty, vicious (and we still don't by whom) campaign of lies and smear ~

I'm glad Moveon is listening to the people, and will contribute to this effort. I will also contribute to every effort to find out who started the vicious smear campaign against Paul Hackett ~ starting today by calling Schumer's office ~

[OzarkDem]

62. You need to back up your accusations

Got a link or proof? No? Of course not.

Perhaps you need to learn to judge each situation on its own merits.

[Justitia]

48. Jesus! As a TEXAN, I can't believe you did that! Cuellar is a REPUBLICAN

no matter what letter is after his name!!!!

Goddamn it, I can't believe you sent that asshole money!

Why don't you try checking it out with some ACTUAL TEXAS DEMOCRATS before you fund a 100% BUSH ENABLING, DEM BASHING, REPUBLICAN like Cuellar.

He has undermined what should be a secure Dem seat for ages!

Why don't you ask for your $100 back, if you have truly recognized your mistake?

And send it directly to REAL Dem, Ciro, if you don't want to participate w/MoveOn.

[Arugula Latte]

54. Excuse me, but are you out of your mind?

Nothing else could excuse your actions in contributing to Cuellar. Nothing. Shame on you. Really. Have you not researched Cuellar at all? ... I am truly disgusted ... I just donated to Ciro, but I might have to up my contribution to cancel you out more. :grr:

[LeftNYC]

56. Cuellar is a joke...

I'd be more upset that Bob Byrd gets a ton of money from MoveOn and voted Yes for Alito...That concerns me, but I cant support all Dems just because there is a D next to the name.

[cry baby]

58. Ciro Rodriguez is a dem, too...a real dem!

see dailykos diary to find out more info on Cuellar and Rodriguez!http://www.dailykos.com/

find the diary that says TX 28: Full court netroots press for Ciro...

In my opinion, you have made a terrible mistake! Certainly, no offense intended to you personally, Mark.

[DrGonzoLives]

61. I did too

After one of their emails contained a link to an executable file.

[Terran1212]

66. Would you attack LBJ when he was terrorizing Vietnamese people?

"I cannot support an organization that attacks Democrats"

Then you may as well be just enabling centuries more of Right Wing militarist American rule.

[depakid]

69. See ya then-

Because we don't need people who support Republican allies on either side of the aisle.

They're the reason the Dems have become irrelevant in national politics.

At this point, Moveon's MUCH more likely to lose donors like me by supporing and/or not going after DINO's than people who's commitment to progressive ideas is questionable in the first place.