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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 10:47 PM
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HACKETT was betrayed in his first entry in to politics:TruthIsAll, Rosebud
Hackett was betrayed in his first entry in to politics: TrutiIsAll, Rosebud57, etc.

Shortly after Paul Hackett lost a very close special election race on Ohio’s 2nd Congressional District, The Elections Forum (2004: Elections Research & Discussion) went to work. TruthIsAll, Rosebud57, freedomfries, Fly by night, Organic, Carolab, Land Shark, adolpfo, and other regulars went to work on the data available from Cleremont County. The results are shown below in an article published by “Scoop” Independent Media (the only investigative piece we know of on this election).

Hackett won the most rural districts by about 60-40%. He was leading 52% - 48% with 91 precincts left to count in Jean Schmidt’s home county. Suddenly, Clermont County tabulators were stopped. There was a “humidity crisis” preventing these last hundred, and only these, from being totaled on electronic tabulators. When the humidity “died down” the precincts were totaled and miraculously Schmidt had passed Hackett and won 52%-48%. Clermont and Warren Counties, those who gave Schmidt the win, were major disasters just nine months before during Ohio 2004. Here are portions of this article on this probable case of election fraud.

The first message is graphs and data from TruthIsAll and a precient comment from Land Shark.

DÉJÀ VU ALL OVER AGAIN? DEMOCRAT HACKETT LOSES A SQUEAKER IN OHIO’S 2nd CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT: THE NEW VOTING RIGHTS STRUGGLE 2004-2005

Tuesday, 23 August 2005
by autorank(permission to quote liberally granted by the author, me)
DemocraticUnderground.Com
2004 Elections Results and Discussion Forum

<snip>

Election Day.

Election Day was a tense event for both candidates and their supporters. Turnout reached 25%, considered respectable for a special election. There were some changes in voting locations in Clermont County and a reduction in precincts in Hamilton County, a populous Cincinnati suburb. There were few if any major incidents reported by those attempting to vote. There were reports of Jean Schmidt campaigning within the 100-foot perimeter candidates must recognize around the precincts. Until mid evening, this encroachment charge was the only event to remotely qualify as an election irregularity.

The humidity crisis.

Then it happened: the “humidity” crisis. For pure drama, it could not have occurred at a more dramatic point in the vote tabulation. Of Clermont County’s 191 precincts, 100 had been counted. Then the Board of Elections announced that excessive humidity had caused ballots to swell, making them difficult to count. As a result, there would be a delay in the count. At this point, the election was dead even statistically, at 50% for each candidate. The 91 precincts in Clermont represented about 12% of the remaining vote. When the crisis was resolved, the 50-50% tie changed into a 52% to 48% victory for Schmidt.

Unanswered questions about the humidity crisis.

While the humidity crisis delayed vote counting at a key time, local media barely covered the event. Board of Election officials stated that ballots had acquired sufficient humidity in 91 out of 191 precincts to require a delay in the vote count. They pointed out that their optical scan tabulator was slowed by the humidity of the ballots. Few details were offered on that process. The Cincinnati Post and all the major television outlets, save one, the Enquirer, were silent on the issue. Ironically, the only coverage of the humidity issue on besides the Enquirer and a local television station was in National Review Online, the traditional conservative magazine’s online service which mentioned the humidity.
The NBC affiliate, Channel 5, said, “The drama of a close race lasted late into the night. Schmidt led by less than one percent with 88 % of the precincts in. But she must have felt secure in knowing that the only uncounted precincts were in Clermont County, her home.” (Updated 1:13 p.m. EDT, August 3, 2005). We hear about “the drama of a close race” lasting into the night, but nothing about what caused the drama. The cause was the ballots taking on humidity. MSNBC, fed by the Cincinnati affiliate, treated the climax of the race like a sporting event: “With the home-field advantage, Schmidt dominated 58 % to 42 % in Clermont (16,162 votes to 11,689) and Warren counties (7,556 votes to 5,420).” There was mention of the sudden stoppage of vote tabulation when the race was at 50-50% at 10:40 pm.

Only Howard Wilkinson of the Enquirer implied questions. He began his August 2, 2005, analysis by saying, “The apparent win by Republican Jean Schmidt in Tuesday’s 2nd Congressional District election was in no way shocking, but the fact that Democrat Paul Hackett made it a very close election is nothing short of astounding.” Given the announcement of the final count by the time this was written, the use of “apparent win” might lead some to think Mr. Wilkinson has paid attention to the history of the 2004 Presidential election in Southwestern Ohio.

Wilkinson followed up on August 4, 2005, with an article headlined “ Clermont: Humid heat hurt count, not plotting.” He opened with, “Humidity held an edge over conspiracy in explaining a glitch in counting Tuesday night’s 2nd Congressional District returns in Clermont County.” He reported questions that had been raised on political blogs. He also spoke to Clermont Board of Elections official and Democrat Kathy Jones, who said that the humidity “simply slowed the process of running the ballots through the readers.” Senior Ohio Democratic official Michael Culp was quoted as saying, “It was apparently just a matter of paper ballots getting damp in the humidity.” The door was left slightly ajar when he reminded readers that Schmidt’s primary victory in Clermont County of 705 votes had multiplied overnight by 380% to a “corrected” 2,667 vote Clermont margin.
The Board of Elections explained the problem to the Associated Press on election night: “Tim Rudd says the ballots pick up moisture when it gets hot, making it tougher for the optical scan machines to sort and count.”

Questions not asked about the vote count stoppage.

The sudden stoppage of vote tabulation in Clermont was reminiscent of nearby Warren County’s Board of Elections citizen-media lockout during vote counting in 2004, which county officials claimed to be the result of a Homeland Security alert. There was no alert.
Was humidity the reason the optical scanning machine count stopped in Clermont, or was there some “intelligent design?” Humidity can impact the ability of optical scan counting machines to process paper ballots. It is not frequently reported and there are clear instructions providing easy remedies (e.g. air condition polling and tabulation facilities). The state of Louisiana made its 2003 RFP for voting machines contingent on tolerating a 98% humidity rate, for example. Air conditioning is reported to be widely available in Clermont County, as are dehumidifiers.

Why were 91 precincts impacted while 100 others were not in the same County?

Information about the locations of the humidity-impacted districts is unavailable. Was each of the 91 precincts without air conditioning? That would be a 48% rate of precincts exposed to conditions that the Board had to know could create problems. For them to announce problems with ballots due to humidity after the fact is remarkable. Certainly, they knew that humidity could be an issue. Just days before the special election there were extensive reports of a serious heat and humidity wave in the Cincinnati area. The regions largest newspaper, The Cincinnati Enquirer had been talking about the heat and humidity days before the election. Surely humidity on Election Day should have been taken into account.

Was there a one-to-one match between precincts with “humidified” ballots and precincts without air conditioning?

If so, why were nearly half of the precincts exposed to humidification? And if this is not so, if some of the 91 precincts with ballot problems due to humidity had air conditioning and some did not, how does the Board explain humidity problems in precincts with air conditioning?

Was Clermont the only part of the 2nd District that was affected by humidity that day and if so, why?

Clermont used optical scan paper ballots. Five other counties used punch card paper ballots, which have a similar or greater vulnerability to expansion or distortion due to humidity. There were no reports of problems in those five counties related to humidity. What is the critical variable that makes Clermont ballots vulnerable to distortion due to excessive moisture? Were precincts all air conditioned in the five counties that used punch card paper ballots? Was there something like an intense thermal inversion going on above the 91 precincts in Clermont County?

Why did the Board of Elections allow precincts to operate that lacked sufficient air conditioning to prevent humidity?

These questions need to be answered given the prior questions raised and documented about Clermont. The Board of Elections operates all year round. There is sufficient time to study manuals, attend vendor-sponsored retreats, and talk to nearby officials. Nearly half of the Clermont precincts had humidified ballots. A failure rate of nearly 50% is totally unacceptable performance for an election and offers the most unflattering commentary on those who are supposed to run it efficiently.

Precincts with the most votes favored Schmidt at nearly 100%, with Hackett winning in only those with less than 200 votes counted.

A review of precinct level results by TruthIsAll on DemocraticUnderground reveals this interesting trend. This data is preliminary and more detail needs to be obtained from the Clermont Board of Elections. However, the trend observed for Clermont makes little sense on the face of it.

Hackett won 38 of 191 Clermont precincts with fewer than 187 votes, but lost ALL of the largest 54 precincts (those with more than 187 votes each). This is reflected in the following graph produced by DemocraticUnderground poster TruthIsAll on of the first election fraud analysts to notice anomalies in Clermont County.



Graph: Hackett won 38 of 191 Clermont precincts but lost ALL of the 54 largest

The following percentages help elaborate the graph above.

Hackett’s percentage by precinct group size:
46.9% in precincts under 100 votes
43.5% in precincts of 100-200 votes
39.6% in precincts of 200-300 votes
34.6% in precincts of 300 + votes


These results raise interesting questions. Why does Hackett do much better in the smaller precincts? Are they more rural than the larger precincts? If so, does this not present a counterintuitive pattern, with the Democrat taking some of the conservative, less populated areas and the Republican winning all of the precincts in the most populated areas?

A question can be raised about the difference between turnout (the votes cast) and the actual size of the precinct, which may or may not be a reflection of votes cast.

The following graph, also produced by TruthIsAll, answers the question. As he said while commenting on this data on 8/5/05: “The regression line has zero slope. Voters turned out at a fairly constant rate across precincts. So turnout wasn't a factor in explaining why the Schmidt vote percentage increased as precinct size increased.”



Graph:Correlation between Precinct Registration and Voter Turnout


Voter turnout in the larger precincts in Clermont County matches that in the overall 2nd District.

<snip>

Recent history, just nine months ago, explains the context of the Hackett “loss.”
Even the majority of commentators who have ignored the humidity crisis must admit that this part of the state has a recent history that raises red flags about fair elections. In 2004, Southwestern Ohio provided Bush with a significant victory, one that nearly matched his victory margin for the state.

When the challenges to the 2004 election began, the first to notice something unusual about the registration, voting, and results was statistician Richard Hayes, PhD. He looked at carefully at Clermont County. In “Election results in Southwestern Ohio,” in The Free Press (12/21/2004), Hayes observes: “…compared to 2000, the population increased by 3.12%, the number of registered voters increased by 10.06%, voter turnout increased by 18.18%, Bush’s point spread increased from 29.40% to 32.52%, and Bush’s victory margin increased from 40,197 votes to 52,550 votes.” This was accomplished by extraordinary registration and Bush victory margins in several major Clermont precincts. Hayes called the voter registration figures and the results “unbelievable.” Despite the increase in registration figures and turnout, “There are 23 precincts in Clermont County where turnout was up, but Kerry got fewer votes than Gore.”

The Clermont problems were just part of a larger set of strange occurrences in Southwestern Ohio in 2004. During vote counting at the Board of Elections, Warren County officials (Republicans and Democrats) told observers and media to leave the area. They announced later that this was necessary as a result of a Federal Homeland Security notice that Warren was subject to a terrorist threat. Feeling the extra people might get in the way of their response to the threat, officials asked them to leave. By the end of the night, there was no terrorist attack. There was, however, a substantial increase in Bush’s victory margin, from 29,176 in 2000 to 41,125 in 2004. FBI officials flatly denied issuing any special warning or terror alert to Warren County Board of Election officials.

Board of Election officials claimed that this other wise serene Warren County court house was the subject of a "national security alert" on election day. They evacuated media and observers from the vote tabulation area. The FBI categorically denied that any security alert ever took place.

In addition to these troubling events and odds-defying statistical results, there were problems during the 2004 Ohio recount in the month following the election.
Disturbing first-hand accounts from the Clermont County recount of the 2004 Presidential election

Election history and statistics are powerful investigative tools and can point those interested in a number of productive directions. However, personal accounts of the Clermont County goings-on provide a more immanent and troubling version of what went on in 2004. The Green and Libertarian Parties called for a recount of Ohio Presidential ballots. The Secretary of State issued guidelines for this. The recount was to be of 3% of the ballots cast. Although it was not specifically mentioned, the obvious intent was to generate a random sample of the precincts, consisting of 3% of the precincts’ vote total. Arrangements were made for observers who were either neutral or from the requesting parties.

In Clermont, irregularities and hostilities were the order of the day, according to three eye witnesses who gave affidavits to the Conyers committee. Stephen Spraley, an electrician and Ohio Democratic Party recount volunteer, offered a report of major significance. He saw a number of ballots with oval white stickers placed next to the candidate’s name and covering the Presidential selection. Spraley approached Assistant Board Director Kathy Jones, a Democrat, with a ballot on which a Kerry choice was covered with a sticker. Before Jones could speak, Dan Bare, the board chairman, said this would be addressed later at a board meeting. At the meeting, the board agreed that the stickers were part of a process in Ohio to avoid spoilage.

Spraley called Carolyn Betts, who was working as a recount observer in Hamilton County. Betts has both MBA and JD degrees, as well as impressive experience with white collar crime, fraud cases, and contentious financial transactions. Betts confirmed Spraley’s observations and concerns about altered ballots found during the recount. This observation carries added weight because it is contemporaneous and consistent with Spraley’s. Betts noted that Danny Bare said that using white sticker on candidate selections was an acceptable means of fixing ballot problems prior to vote counting. Bare restated and confirmed this position at the Clermont Board’s certification meeting for the recount. Betts also noted that Spraley told her he had asked to take a photograph of one of the altered ballots and was denied this request.

Witness Jeannine Tater came to Ohio as a Kerry observer of the recount. She has an MBA and is a teacher in her home state. She confirmed seeing ballots modified with oval stickers and also recounted a Board member denying that this ever took place, despite public acceptance of the claim at the Board certification meeting that followed the recount. Tater detailed a story highly relevant to the recent election. While observing ballot tabulation, she noted a disproportionately large stack of ballots from Union Township. She asked Kathy Jones about this. Tater was told that the ballot pile was twice the size expected due to a special referendum in Union Township requiring a two-page ballot. Jones asserted that there were 1190 ballots for Union, with 678 page ones, containing the Presidential selections, and 512 page twos for the referendum. When reviewing the results for Union, Tater noted that the Presidential vote tally was 1190 votes—878 for Bush and 378 for Kerry. According to this account, Jones – the Democrat on the Board, who is supposed to offer balance – had a completely incorrect understanding of the total votes cast for President in the precinct she was supposed to be recounting. Kathy Jones is the “Democrat” cited in the Enquirer who offered reassuring words that the “humidity” crisis was nothing out of the ordinary.

Witness Carolyn Betts attended the Clermont Board of Elections meeting on December 16, 2004, when the recount was certified. As she describes it, then and current Board Director Dan Bare was intent on certifying the recount by the December 20. He was also intent on accommodating his staff members’ desire for a holiday vacation. According to Betts’ account, Bare “would not discuss providing ballot books, uncounted absentee ballots and uncounted provisional ballots until the hand recount was complete.” “Ballot books” are the large bound printouts that poll workers use to check off names as voters enter the polling place. If there are 1000 votes cast in a precinct and only 800 signatures in the ballot book, there are serious problems. If any of the names on the ballot book cannot be confirmed as residents of the precinct, there are serious problems. For these reasons, ballot books are vital in determining the legitimacy of an election.

Along with other recount volunteers, Betts attended the Clermont Board meeting where the recount was certified. She noted that Bare explained the use of stickers to modify ballots. There was no challenge to these modified ballots being counted, even though the votes on them could not be observed. She also noted that the voter-signed ballot books were never provided to the recount team, nor were the uncounted and rejected absentee and provisional ballots, despite numerous requests. Unsigned ballot books were made available, but these are meaningless, since the recount team would need to see a signature next to a registered voter’s name to know that the voter actually showed up and voted. The board said that the recount team request for the Ohio recount did not mention “signed” ballot books; hence signed ballot books were not provided. This eliminated the ability of recount observers to verify that the number of votes cast was consistent with the number of voters who actually signed in and voted.

In addition, the Clermont recount was not done as a random sample. The 3% of votes recounted came from smaller precincts, because the Clermont board, according to Betts, believed this would create “fewer problems.” Even if none of the problems described had occurred, the use of a non random sample for a 3% recount meant that the recount was inherently flawed and invalid.

Is there enough evidence to doubt the results of the Ohio 2nd Congressional district election?

Yes, just the preliminary data and evidence raise some significant questions.

The process of questioning elections in the United States is a difficult one, because debate is often choked off in the corporate media. The numerous problems in Ohio raised by the Conyers Committee were ignored by corporate media. The detailed examination and exposition of security and other problems with voting machines, tabulators, and networking has been ongoing since at least Florida 2000. It receives little if any corporate media attention. The process of voter suppression through multiple methods was and is still ignored.

Florida 2000 saw the deliberate purging of 50,000 voters from the rolls with a software program that the vendor warned would do just this. The state proceeded anyway and the expected result occurred. It cost Al Gore the presidency. Despite the fact that this occurred and is well known, the argument that the 2000 election was literally stolen is not mentioned in “polite company.” When the State of Florida settled the suit by the NAACP on voting rights problems in Florida 2000, they agreed in essence that Florida had kept legitimate voters from exercising their most basic right as a citizen. There was barely a whimper from the press. This is just Florida 2000.

In the case of the 2nd Congressional District in Ohio, the history is even more detailed. Ohio was targeted for Republican “optimization” well before the election. Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell’s actions were consistent up to, on, and after Election Day. The overall Ohio record will not be reviewed here, but it voluminous and detailed, supported by strong evidence. For those interested, see work by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman.

The record of Clermont and Warren Counties during the 2004 election has also been examined at length. It is a very sorry record. The delusional or deliberate lockout of observers and the media in Warren County is a disgrace. There were no consequences for this action despite the outrageous nature of the behavior by the Warren County Board (which supposedly was “balanced,” with an equal number of Republican and Democratic members). The extraordinary increases in registration that defied statistical logic in Clermont and other parts of District 2 are cause for concern, particularly since Bush’s victory margin in Ohio nearly matched his victory margin in Southwestern Ohio. The eyewitness descriptions of the Clermont Board’s lack of cooperation and inconsistent standards displayed during the recount are very troubling.

Clermont and Warren County election history of just nine months ago is highly relevant, because Hackett lost the race by losing badly in those two areas; 56% to 42% in Clermont and 58% to 42% in the “security alert”-challenged Warren County.
The absence of questions and further investigation of this election would represent the sloppiest type of thinking and analysis and show no respect for the notion of clean and fair elections.

In addition to the history of problems just nine months ago, there are some real questions raised in the material presented here. How is it that in Clermont, Hackett won 38 of the smallest 137 precincts of and 0% of the 54 largest precincts? This fails an initial reasonableness test and calls out for further investigation. The humidity crisis that occurred in Clermont as the race was dead even raises questions. Did the closeness of the race surprise someone? Was it time to say “Let’s stop the process and rethink things here – maybe we’ll actually lose”? We are still waiting for time-stamped data on which of the 100 precincts were counted prior to the humidity crisis and which after. We can assume the larger voting precincts were counted after the crisis, because Schmidt’s total in the last 12% of the total vote represented by the humidity-impacted ballots in the 91 precincts changed a dead even contest into one that Hackett lost by four points with all the gains made in the county’s largest precincts. Does that pass the reasonableness test?

What was the overall trend in Clermont County where Hackett took such a beating? Looking at tax levy issues, in November 2004, there were 9 tax levies on the ballot. Six failed and three passed. In 2005, there were two tax levies, both of which passed by comfortable total yes votes of 57%. In the case of Bethel, a 2004 56-44% vote against a levy was reversed with a for the tax levy of 59-41% (figures rounded). This data needs more analysis but the 2005 tax levy results favoring an increase do not represent a Republican trend in that area. Even that section of Warren County that is a part of the 2nd District showed a change on levy ballot issues. In November 2004, a tax levy for the Franklin City Schools was rejected 45% for to 55% against. The August 2005 saw a 10% reversal with the school tax levy carried by 56% for and 44% against. Harlan Township, a distinctly rural part of Warren County passed its school levy 70% to 30%.

Aside from the vote counting irregularities, other questions remain. Democrats typically do poorly in rural areas. A city-based attorney who supports the right to choose and refuses to support gay bashing legislation, who calls the President a “chicken hawk” and a “son of a bitch,” this candidate, Paul Hackett, carried the four most rural counties in District 2 by an average 59% to 41% margin. Yet this candidate failed in the more populous areas, where he would be expected to do better.

Questions have been raised about 2004 irregularities in the 2nd District. They have never been properly investigated or answered. Questions exist now. Will they be investigated? We do not know, but voices are being raised in the Ohio election fraud community that merit listening.

One criticism of those who question elections with solid but incomplete evidence (the type necessary to get a trial in court) is: You have not offered proof of election fraud.
This is the very worst type of sophistry. Of course you cannot prove election fraud when you are at the questioning stage. The real issue is: Are there enough questions raised to warrant a complete, detailed look at this election? The answer for the 2nd Congressional District in Ohio is clearly yes.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 10:47 PM
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1. TruthIsAll Finds a Hidden Clue in the Haystack; Land Shark Explains
TruthIsAll Finds a Hidden Clue in the Haystack; Land Shark Explains

A review of precinct level results by TruthIsAll on DemocraticUnderground reveals this interesting trend. This data is preliminary and more detail needs to be obtained from the Clermont Board of Elections. However, the trend observed for Clermont makes little sense on the face of it.

Hackett won 38 of 191 Clermont precincts with fewer than 187 votes, but lost ALL of the largest 54 precincts (those with more than 187 votes each). This is reflected in the following graph produced by DemocraticUnderground poster TruthIsAll on of the first election fraud analysts to notice anomalies in Clermont County.



Graph: Hackett won 38 of 191 Clermont precincts but lost ALL of the 54 largest

The following percentages help elaborate the graph above.

Hackett’s percentage by precinct group size:
46.9% in precincts under 100 votes
43.5% in precincts of 100-200 votes
39.6% in precincts of 200-300 votes
34.6% in precincts of 300 + votes


These results raise interesting questions. Why does Hackett do much better in the smaller precincts? Are they more rural than the larger precincts? If so, does this not present a counterintuitive pattern, with the Democrat taking some of the conservative, less populated areas and the Republican winning all of the precincts in the most populated areas?

A question can be raised about the difference between turnout (the votes cast) and the actual size of the precinct, which may or may not be a reflection of votes cast.

The following graph, also produced by TruthIsAll, answers the question. As he said while commenting on this data on 8/5/05: “The regression line has zero slope. Voters turned out at a fairly constant rate across precincts. So turnout wasn't a factor in explaining why the Schmidt vote percentage increased as precinct size increased.”


Graph: Correlation between Precinct Registration and Voter Turnout


Voter turnout in the larger precincts in Clermont County matches that in the overall 2nd District.

Land Shark Offers an Explanation

Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-09-05 12:09 AM
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26. This is not "turnout" per se from a poli sci perspective as I

understand it, but simply as the absolute numbers of voters in a precinct increases, Schmidt % increases.

While I haven't independently examined this data, one reason for Schmidt percentage increasing in larger precincts only (which may ultimately have a LOWER percent of voters participating than a tiny precinct) is that a method of cheating was used that only added or changed votes in the larger precincts.

One would only mess with larger precincts for one good reason: in rural small precinct areas people know who voted and can figger what's up and what's down by a process of elimination. In larger precincts and urban areas it is much easier to mess with numbers without anybody being able to perform their own independent testing, as it were. Therefore, if the alleged fundamental rule of Texas politics applies and one saves one's "best" precincts for last so one knows what margin needs to be beat, then the final Clermont 91 would have Schmidt votes sprinkled among the larger precincts to provide the needed margin.

Of course, as I've often said, who knows what happens behind closed doors of our secret elections, perhaps nothing. But secrecy, even marital privacy, is virtually always for the protection of some unseemly or embarrassing behavior that society nevertheless wishes to foster. I'm still wondering though why elections have secrecy.

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 10:51 PM
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3. were the late tallied "moist" precincts contiguous?
If you tell me the precincts I may be able to tell if they are contiguous, my dad lives in this county.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 11:30 PM
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4. Great. Let me get back to you. The largest precincts had humidity
problems, the smallest didn't, by and large. We know that because Hackett won only the smallest precincts. Let me check the Clermont BoE site and see if they have anything.

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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:54 AM
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17. not again!! That means there's more of this around the damn corner!
How can we ever get rid of the corruption in the heart and soul of America's power?
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:49 AM
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20. I wonder how many of the congress critters in DC are fraudulently there!
The people in Haiti were able to get their election fraud exposed. We should do the same! God Damn it. And to think that this fucked up system is what Hackett risked his life for!
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:39 AM
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24. How many here are aware of NVRI?
National Voting Rights Institute - www.nvri.org - check it out and give your support.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 02:59 PM
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35. I willl check them out! ... Thanks
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iconocrastic Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 12:26 PM
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29. Limbaugh just mentioned us on the radio.
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 12:29 PM by iconocrastic
Referenced the Mother Jones piece. Said it caught us by surprise today and will set DU, Koz, MoveOn board in a tizzy or words to that effect. Geez - this is "old" news already - in cyberspace terms - he's behind the curve.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 10:48 PM
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2. CLERMOND COUNTY,OHIO 2ND SPECCIAL ELECTION RESULTS: 2005
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 10:48 PM by autorank
CLERMOND COUNTY,OHIO 2ND SPECCIAL ELECTION RESULTS:  2005

N	Prec			Reg	Votes	Turn	Hack	HPctSchm	SPct
1	FELICITY VILLAGE	456	61	13.38%	46	75.41%	15	24.59%
2	BETHEL VILLAGE B	344	57	16.57%	36	63.16%	21	36.84%
3	NEW RICHMOND VLG C	562	136	24.20%	83	61.03%	52	38.24%
4	BATAVIA TOWNSHIP L	608	103	16.94%	62	60.19%	41	39.81%
5	NEW RICHMOND VLG B	384	70	18.23%	42	60.00%	27	38.57%
6	WAYNE TOWNSHIP D	538	85	15.80%	50	58.82%	34	40.00%
7	PIERCE TOWNSHIP 0	613	127	20.72%	74	58.27%	53	41.73%
8	MONROE TOWNSHIP G	510	86	16.86%	49	56.98%	37	43.02%
9	FRANKLIN TOWNSHIP A	398	76	19.10%	43	56.58%	33	43.42%
10	MONROE TOWNSHIP I	464	39	8.41%	22	56.41%	17	43.59%
11	WASHINGTON TOWN C	402	82	20.40%	46	56.10%	36	43.90%
12	BATAVIA VILLAGE B	261	86	32.95%	48	55.81%	37	43.02%
13	FRANKLIN TOWNSHIP B	412	97	23.54%	54	55.67%	43	44.33%
14	OWENSVILLE VILLAGE	521	130	24.95%	72	55.38%	57	43.85%
15	STONELICK TOWNS F	491	136	27.70%	75	55.15%	60	44.12%
16	GOSHEN TOWNSHIP 1	818	81	9.90%	44	54.32%	37	45.68%
17	BATAVIA VILLAGE A	384	134	34.90%	72	53.73%	62	46.27%
18	TATE TOWNSHIP B		423	69	16.31%	37	53.62%	31	44.93%
19	MILFORD CITY C		302	86	28.48%	46	53.49%	40	46.51%
20	UNION TOWNSHIP L	1184	133	11.23%	71	53.38%	60	45.11%
21	BATAVIA VILLAGE C	412	89	21.60%	47	52.81%	42	47.19%
22	MILFORD CITY E		574	178	31.01%	94	52.81%	84	47.19%
23	WASHINGTON TOWN A	672	130	19.35%	68	52.31%	62	47.69%
24	GOSHEN TOWNSHIP M	586	60	10.24%	31	51.67%	28	46.67%
25	WILLIAMSBURG TWP D	479	122	25.47%	63	51.64%	59	48.36%
26	UNION TOWNSHIP K	1218	142	11.66%	73	51.41%	68	47.89%
27	MONROE TOWNSHIP D	298	72	24.16%	37	51.39%	35	48.61%
28	WILLIAMSBURG TWP C	546	127	23.26%	65	51.18%	62	48.82%
29	BATAVIA TOWNSHIP F	505	96	19.01%	49	51.04%	47	48.96%
30	NEW RICHMOND VLG A	545	96	17.61%	49	51.04%	46	47.92%
31	FRANKLIN TOWNSHIP C	517	108	20.89%	55	50.93%	53	49.07%
32	WILLlAMSBuRG VLG B	498	112	22.49%	57	50.89%	55	49.11%
33	BATAVIA TOWNSHIP C	1035	185	17.87%	94	50.81%	90	48.65%
34	PIERCE TOWNSHIP K	622	187	30.06%	95	50.80%	90	48.13%
35	LOVELANDCITYA		447	85	19.02%	43	50.59%	42	49.41%
36	OHIO TOWNSHIP C		574	137	23.87%	69	50.36%	67	48.91%
37	GOSHEN TOWNSHIP A	358	80	22.35%	40	50.00%	39	48.75%
38	W1LL1AMSBURG VLG A	344	54	15.70%	27	50.00%	27	50.00%
39	UNION TOWNSHIP A1A	490	105	21.43%	52	49.52%	54	51.43%
40	MIAMI TOWNSHIP E1E	590	93	15.76%	46	49.46%	47	50.54%
41	UNION TOWNSHIP B1B	995	229	23.02%	113	49.34%	116	50.66%
42	TATE TOWNSHIP I		427	73	17.10%	36	49.32%	36	49.32%
43	MILFORD CITY G		808	242	29.95%	119	49.17%	122	50.41%
44	UNION TOWNSHIP F	383	47	12.27%	23	48.94%	22	46.81%
45	MILFORD CITY B		575	154	26.78%	75	48.70%	76	49.35%
46	PIERCE TOWNSHIP G	710	183	25.77%	89	48.63%	94	51.37%
47	BETHEL VILLAGE C	523	70	13.38%	34	48.57%	36	51.43%
48	BATAVIA TOWNSHIP B	1061	167	15.74%	81	48.50%	86	51.50%
49	AMELIA VILLAGE B	770	99	12.86%	48	48.48%	51	51.52%
50	FRANKLIN TOWNSHIP D	782	147	18.80%	71	48.30%	75	51.02%
51	UNION TOWNSHIP X	610	141	23.11%	68	48.23%	72	51.06%
52	UNION TOWNSHIP M1M	543	73	13.44%	35	47.95%	37	50.68%
53	PIERCE TOWNSHIP D	625	103	16.48%	49	47.57%	53	51.46%
54	UNION TOWNSHIP 1	906	160	17.66%	76	47.50%	84	52.50%
55	MILFORD CITY F		720	110	15.28%	52	47.27%	57	51.82%
56	MOSCOW VILLAGE		207	53	25.60%	25	47.17%	28	52.83%
57	BATAVIA TOWNSHIP E	984	155	15.75%	73	47.10%	81	52.26%
58	PIERCE TOWNSHIP L	360	85	23.61%	40	47.06%	45	52.94%
59	UNION TOWNSHIP S	578	115	19.90%	54	46.96%	60	52.17%
60	UNION TOWNSHIP J	865	158	18.27%	74	46.84%	83	52.53%
61	WAYNE TOWNSHIP C	475	109	22.95%	51	46.79%	57	52.29%
62	UNION TOWNSHIP H	1093	90	8.23%	42	46.67%	48	53.33%
63	TATE TOWNSHIP D		532	99	18.61%	46	46.46%	53	53.54%
64	OHIO TOWNSHIP A		667	166	24.89%	77	46.39%	88	53.01%
65	OHIO TOWNSHIP B		399	130	32.58%	60	46.15%	68	52.31%
66	TATE TOWNSHIP H		789	156	19.77%	72	46.15%	81	51.92%
67	UNION TOWNSHIP T	551	117	21.23%	54	46.15%	63	53.85%
68	UNION TOWNSHIP E1E	834	250	29.98%	115	46.00%	133	53.20%
69	MONROE TOWNSHIP A	431	37	8.58%	17	45.95%	19	51.35%
70	WILLIAMSBURG VLG C	596	159	26.68%	73	45.91%	86	54.09%
71	UNION TOWNSHIP C	707	153	21.64%	70	45.75%	82	53.59%
72	WILLIAMSBURG TWP A	619	188	30.37%	86	45.74%	102	54.26%
73	GOSHEN TOWNSHIP L	812	174	21.43%	79	45.40%	95	54.60%
74	MILFORD CITY D		472	130	27.54%	59	45.38%	68	52.31%
75	BATAVIA TOWNSHIP G	950	245	25.79%	111	45.31%	134	54.69%
76	NEWTONSVILLE VILL	219	62	28.31%	28	45.16%	34	54.84%
77	UNION TOWNSHIP G1G	300	51	17.00%	23	45.10%	28	54.90%
78	UNION TOWNSHIP K1K	722	142	19.67%	64	45.07%	78	54.93%
79	STONELICK TOWN A	424	120	28.30%	54	45.00%	64	53.33%
80	MIAMI TOWNSHIP F	1218	408	33.50%	183	44.85%	222	54.41%
81	MIAMI TOWNSHIP V	734	125	17.03%	56	44.80%	69	55.20%
82	BATAVIA TOWNSHIP]	290	85	29.31%	38	44.71%	47	55.29%
83	STONELICK TOWN D	411	94	22.87%	42	44.68%	51	54.26%
84	UNION TOWNSHIP U	641	188	29.33%	84	44.68%	104	55.32%
85	UNION TOWNSHIP Z	492	141	28.66%	63	44.68%	78	55.32%
86	UNION TOWNSHIP N	574	121	21.08%	54	44.63%	67	55.37%
87	UNION TOWNSHIP B	1144	211	18.44%	94	44.55%	117	55.45%
88	UNION TOWNSHIP P	946	135	14.27%	60	44.44%	75	55.56%
89	STONELICK TOWN G	359	104	28.97%	46	44.23%	57	54.81%
90	MIAMI TOWNSHIP H	568	93	16.37%	41	44.09%	52	55.91%
91	STONELICK TOWN B	583	202	34.65%	89	44.06%	111	54.95%
92	UNION TOWNSHIP ML	526	109	20.72%	48	44.04%	61	55.96%
93	UNION TOWNSHIP J1J	598	116	19.40%	51	43.97%	62	53.45%
94	GOSHEN TOWNSHIP B	736	139	18.89%	61	43.88%	78	56.12%
95	GOSHEN TOWNSHIP F	570	98	17.19%	43	43.88%	55	56.12%
96	MILFORD CITY H		954	333	34.91%	146	43.84%	187	56.16%
97	WAYNE TOWNSHIP B	772	178	23.06%	78	43.82%	99	55.62%
98	MIAMI TOWNSHIP U	461	158	34.27%	69	43.67%	88	55.70%
99	MONROE TOWNSHIP F	455	133	29.23%	58	43.61%	74	55.64%
100	BATAVIA TOWNSHIP A	1307	269	20.58%	117	43.49%	152	56.51%
101	WASHINGTON TOWN 6	305	69	22.62%	30	43.48%	38	55.07%
102	TATE TOWNSHIP E		321	83	25.86%	36	43.37%	46	55.42%
103	UNION TOWNSHIP W	824	229	27.79%	99	43.23%	129	56.33%
104	UNION TOWNSHIP R	448	95	21.21%	41	43.16%	54	56.84%
105	JACKSON TOWNSHIP C	757	189	24.97%	81	42.86%	107	56.61%
106	MONROE TOWNSHIP B	513	98	19.10%	42	42.86%	55	56.12%
107	UNION TOWNSHIP C1C	842	224	26.60%	96	42.86%	128	57.14%
108	UNION TOWNSHIP O	684	129	18.86%	55	42.64%	72	55.81%
109	WILLIAMSBURG TWP B	446	153	34.30%	65	42.48%	88	57.52%
110	MONROE TOWNSHIP E	899	194	21.58%	82	42.27%	112	57.73%
111	STONELICK TOWN E	716	218	30.45%	92	42.20%	123	56.42%
112	GOSHEN TOWNSHIP N	929	192	20.67%	81	42.19%	111	57.81%
113	AMELIA VILLAGE A	1431	198	13.84%	83	41.92%	113	57.07%
114	UNION TOWNSHIP G	422	86	20.38%	36	41.86%	50	58.14%
115	MIAMI TOWNSHIP T	420	67	15.95%	28	41.79%	39	58.21%
116	UNION TOWNSHIP R1R	1304	275	21.09%	114	41.45%	159	57.82%
117	BATAVIA TOWNSH IP J	969	232	23.94%	96	41.38%	135	58.19%
118	GOSHEN TOWNSHIP J	559	124	22.18%	51	41.13%	72	58.06%
119	TATE TOWNSHIP C		484	129	26.65%	53	41.09%	76	58.91%
120	BATAVIA TOWNSHIP D	1085	191	17.60%	78	40.84%	111	58.12%
121	MIAMI TOWNSHIP N	826	201	24.33%	82	40.80%	119	59.20%
122	GOSHEN TOWNSHIP H	486	101	20.78%	41	40.59%	60	59.41%
123	GOSHEN TOWNSHIP G	715	74	10.35%	30	40.54%	44	59.46%
124	UNION TOWNSHIP M	608	121	19.90%	49	40.50%	72	59.50%
125	MIAMI TOWNSHIP P	489	146	29.86%	59	40.41%	87	59.59%
126	UNION TOWNSHIP P1P	878	245	27.90%	99	40.41%	146	59.59%
127	TATE TOWNSHIP A		529	114	21.55%	46	40.35%	68	59.65%
128	MIAMI TOWNSHIP O	349	110	31.52%	44	40.00%	66	60.00%
129	BETHEL VILLAGE A	644	115	17.86%	46	40.00%	68	59.13%
130	MIAMI TOWNSHIPS		724	186	25.69%	74	39.78%	110	59.14%
131	PIERCE TOWNSHIP F	570	175	30.70%	69	39.43%	106	60.57%
132	PIERCE TOWNSHIP A	536	150	27.99%	59	39.33%	91	60.67%
133	MIAMI TOWNSHIP K	774	280	36.18%	110	39.29%	170	60.71%
134	UNION TOWNSHIP D	931	209	22.45%	82	39.23%	127	60.77%
135	LOVELAND CITY B		852	217	25.47%	85	39.17%	131	60.37%
136	PIERCE TOWNSHIP H	278	41	14.75%	16	39.02%	25	60.98%
137	UNION TOWNSHIP V	245	82	33.47%	32	39.02%	50	60.98%
138	BATAVIA TOWNSHIP H	592	152	25.68%	59	38.82%	93	61.18%
139	MIAMI TOWNSHIP W	592	204	34.46%	79	38.73%	121	59.31%
140	MIAMI TOWNSHIP B	1427	266	18.64%	103	38.72%	160	60.15%
141	STONELICK TOWN C	645	248	38.45%	96	38.71%	150	60.48%
142	MILFORD CITY A		554	148	26.71%	57	38.51%	90	60.81%
143	MIAMI TOWNSHIP Q	684	234	34.21%	90	38.46%	143	61.11%
144	MIAMI TOWNSHIP A	1434	410	28.59%	157	38.29%	251	61.22%
145	WAYNE TOWNSHIP A	496	97	19.56%	37	38.14%	59	60.82%
146	MIAMI TOWNSHIP dC	770	223	28.96%	85	38.12%	138	61.88%
147	MIAMI TOWNSHIP H1H	507	147	28.99%	56	38.10%	91	61.90%
148	MIAMI TOWNSHIP F1F	1018	296	29.08%	112	37.84%	183	61.82%
149	MIAMI TOWNSHIP R	854	264	30.91%	99	37.50%	165	62.50%
150	MIAMI TOWNSHIP S	553	112	20.25%	42	37.50%	70	62.50%
151	PIERCE TOWNSHIP J	906	168	18.54%	63	37.50%	103	61.31%
152	UNION TOWNSHIP E	1514	391	25.83%	146	37.34%	245	62.66%
153	UNION TOWNSHIP Y	590	86	14.58%	32	37.21%	54	62.79%
154	UNION TOWNSHIP D1D	839	140	16.69%	52	37.14%	88	62.86%
155	MIAMI TOWNSHIP J	1412	363	25.71%	134	36.91%	228	62.81%
156	MONROE TOWNSHIP J	450	63	14.00%	23	36.51%	40	63.49%
157	MIAMI TOWNSHIP G1G	806	264	32.75%	95	35.98%	167	63.26%
158	MIAMI TOWNSHIP I	459	137	29.85%	49	35.77%	88	64.23%
159	PIERCE TOWNSHIP B	1188	442	37.21%	158	35.75%	282	63.80%
160	MIAMI TOWNSHIP Y	1151	314	27.28%	112	35.67%	201	64.01%
161	GOSHEN TOWNSHIP E	954	160	16.77%	57	35.63%	102	63.75%
162	MIAMI TOWNSHIP J1J	386	149	38.60%	53	35.57%	96	64.43%
163	TATE TOWNSHIP F		376	82	21.81%	29	35.37%	53	64.63%
164	MIAMI TOWNSHIP K1K	861	213	24.74%	75	35.21%	137	64.32%
165	PIERCE TOWNSHIP I	929	242	26.05%	85	35.12%	157	64.88%
166	UNION TOWNSHIP F1F	920	252	27.39%	87	34.52%	165	65.48%
167	BATAVIA TOWNSHIP K	1286	250	19.44%	86	34.40%	162	64.80%
168	TATE TOWNSHIP G		468	140	29.91%	48	34.29%	92	65.71%
169	UNION TOWNSHIP A	1518	385	25.36%	132	34.29%	253	65.71%
170	MONROE TOWNSHIP H	208	38	18.27%	13	34.21%	25	65.79%
171	JACKSON TOWNSHIP B	387	132	34.11%	45	34.09%	87	65.91%
172	MIAMI TOWNSHIP M	829	254	30.64%	86	33.86%	165	64.96%
173	GOSHEN TOWNSHIP D	751	182	24.23%	61	33.52%	121	66.48%
174	PIERCE TOWNSHIPS	862	248	28.77%	83	33.47%	165	66.53%
175	GOSHEN TOWNSHIP K	596	90	15.10%	30	33.33%	60	66.67%
176	MIAMI TOWNSHIP B1B	679	209	30.78%	69	33.01%	139	66.51%
177	WAYNE TOWNSHIP E	557	149	26.75%	49	32.89%	99	66.44%
178	MIAMI TOWNSHIP E	464	169	36.42%	55	32.54%	114	67.46%
179	MIAMI TOWNSHIP L	748	247	33.02%	80	32.39%	165	66.80%
180	UNION TOWNSHIP Q	713	199	27.91%	64	32.16%	134	67.34%
181	JACKSON TOWNSHIP A	724	196	27.07%	63	32.14%	129	65.82%
182	GOSHEN TOWNSHIP C	312	73	23.40%	23	31.51%	50	68.49%
183	MIAMI TOWNSHIP X	1600	445	27.81%	140	31.46%	303	68.09%
184	MIAMI TOWNSHIP D1D	711	182	25.60%	57	31.32%	125	68.68%
185	MIAMI TOWNSHIP 111	359	127	35.38%	38	29.92%	89	70.08%
186	MIAMI TOWNSHIP A1A	648	190	29.32%	55	28.95%	135	71.05%
187	MIAMI TOWNSHIP D	490	88	17.96%	25	28.41%	62	70.45%
188	MONROE TOWNSHIP C	408	101	24.75%	28	27.72%	72	71.29%
189	UNION TOWNSHIP 111	422	77	18.25%	20	25.97%	57	74.03%
190	MIAMI TOWNSHIP Z	1356	446	32.89%	114	25.56%	330	73.99%
191	MIAMI TOWNSHIP C	1545	549	35.53%	128	23.32%	418	76.14%
  

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 11:36 PM
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5. "Humidity crisis"
:rofl:

FREE OHIO!

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 11:48 PM
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7. Perfect LOL Let's squeegee the whole state! n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #5
23. LOL!!!!!
I think a shovel for shit might aid them better

OP nominated
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 11:37 PM
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6. K&R
Thank you for bringing this up.

It's been missing from some of the discussions today.

The events around that election were a stomach-turning farce.

A suggested possible battle-cry for some Dems: "Hackett Won: Let's Dump Him."

Moot, since the deal is done.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 12:29 AM
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9. I was in Cincy during the Special Election and followed it on-line...
The 'humidity problems' sounded ridiculous to me...especially given the fact that when we did the Recount for the Presidential '04 Election, the Clermont County BOE were uncooperative, hostile, and seemed to be hiding something.

I called and emailed Hackett and his Campaign Manager, David Woodruff, to tell them to request a Recount in Clermont....After all, there had been supposed problems so I didn't think anyone could refer to that request as one from a 'sore loser.'

But NOTHING! Voters can't request a Recount...the candidate has to. Hackett left town and went on vacation with his family. I didn't appreciate this. Are you willing to fight for Democracy or not?

Then when he announced for the Senate, I thought maybe his 48% was enough for him....he could run for Senate and not have to bother with the little 2nd District anymore.

As a result of this, I haven't been much of a fan of his....I didn't trust him or his motives.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:20 AM
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13. That's a lousy experience.
Land Shark, our resident elections attorney, made a very good point around post election time 8/05 -- the people have to be the guardians of democracy since the politicians have a separate set of interests. Our primary interest should be free and fair elections. It's not controversial. Hell, it was a killer issue for us in the 60's. Everybody but the worst bigots favored Voting Rights - free and fair elections.

There are so many barriers to this, it's rediculous. The paper receipt/audit trail movement is great but the next hurdle is just what you described. The recount rules are so rediculous and anti-democratic, it won't matter that we have the paper receipts ... unless we have a mass movement demanding full accountability on elections.

Hackett - Schmidt would have been the match of the century. The whole thing was handled badly.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 07:32 AM
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18. Perhaps people who run have diff motives, perhaps they don't get it!
The people who are likely to be "gung ho" enough are less likely to believe that massive election fraud is possible as compared to cynics (like me) who would not run and who are highly likely to see the fraud. It is a very different point of view.

People who run for office have their egos on the line - and they think they have failed and they don't dare embarrass themselves further by 'fighting'. Especially for people who believe that if they had only won by a "big enough margin" they still would "overcome the fraud." Most people don't understand that with computer fraud they can flip a 70%/30% win to a 30%/70% lose as easily as they can change 52%/48% to a 48%/52%.

This country is doing an exceptionally GOOD job of keeping the possibility of election fraud a SECRET -- it is becoming an *open secret* -- and still people won't talk about it.

I am not saying that we should let Hackett or Kerry or whoever off the hook for not FIGHTING with every last bit of fight they have in them TO TAKE THE SEAT THEY WON -- they should have. And we have to try to understand why they didn't so we can change the situation so the next guy will.

I helped Reform Ohio a few months ago Get Out the Vote (via phone from a neighboring state) -- and I got to talk on a conference call with Paul Hackett and asked him if they had a strategy in place in advance of the election to deal with election fraud - prevent, detect, fight - and he seemed to have no clue what I was talking about. So I will admit that I wasn't overly excited to hear he was running for Senate. :(

The next question is: Does Sherrod Brown have a strategy in place in advance of the election to deal with election fraud - prevent, detect, fight?
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:24 AM
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27. Thankfully, we have a new Chair and Vice-Chair of the
Ohio Dem Party who 'get it.' I attended a Dem Forum in Columbus a couple of weeks ago and the Vice Chair spoke of election fraud and how we are going to combat it. You have no idea how relieved I was to hear this!!!

However, the old Chair (Denny White...another previous pug) is now with the Franklin County BOE.

I am familiar with the new Vice Chair, Todd Portune, and I have the utmost confidence in him. He's a true Patriot who 'gets it.'

Now we just need to get to work.

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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:46 PM
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39. I am so glad to hear about your new Vice Chair!
I will keep an eye on the Ohio Dem website -- if they post some material about what they intend to do that would be great! Perhaps it would filter up to the National DNC and out to all of the states.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:52 PM
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34. Right
He doesn't handle peer pressure very well and he doesn't fight when it's needed. He could've really helped with the election fraud but he didn't do that either. *Sigh*
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 11:56 PM
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8. k&r for truth
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 12:51 AM
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10. K&R.
Peace.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:14 AM
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11. Interesting post. n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:16 AM
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12. Thanks n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:26 AM
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14. Link to Scoop for OP, sorry forgot to include it:


DÉJÀ VU ALL OVER AGAIN?
DEMOCRAT HACKETT LOSES A SQUEAKER IN
OHIO’S 2nd CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT:
THE NEW VOTING RIGHTS STRUGGLE 2004-2005

by autorank
DemocraticUnderground.Com
2004 Elections Results and Discussion Forum

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0508/S00186.htm
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:36 AM
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15. K&R for truth, justice, and the American way..
it all comes down to opposition to the criminal cabal. Hackett is just one person, easily crushed and discarded.

Anyone paying attention who does not see this is deliberately fooling himself.

Thanks for another great message here auto, and while people swoon over Sherrod Brown's great progressive record, I hope they will take time to notice how dry he has kept his powder regarding impeachment. Of course, that assumes you believe in the mythical powder to begin with.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:42 AM
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16. Ahoy! It's all about "choice." I'm "pro choice" for elections.
What a strange concept now a days. Certain people may prefer to pick candidates themselves but they need the credentials of success to have that go unchallenged, and there's nobody with those credentials. Hackett is a citizen-politician. He should have known, his experience is a warning that citizens ALWAYS take the back seat to politicians.

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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:16 AM
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19. I wonder why Hackett kept quiet about this
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 08:16 AM by Freddie Stubbs
He seems to be the kind of guy who speaks his mind regardless of the consequences.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 07:54 PM
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41. I've always wondered the same thing
IIRC, he talked about it briefly, but abandoned the idea of contesting the results and allegations of fraud.

I still think he won that race.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:58 AM
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21. "the HUMIDITY crisis" makes my blood boil.
I live in Florida. We NEVER have a problem with humidity and voting machines.

How this gets by people, I will never know.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:10 AM
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22. Great post, autorank!
Although reliving that night is not a pleasant experience, it is vital to remember and record all these events. Someday we will get a democracy again in our country.

Peace and Truth!!!!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:40 AM
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25. Thanks meganmonkey. "Someday" soon, we'll get it back.
I remember when people stormed the state capitol after 2004. I think that was spontaneous, people had just had enough of the garbage. That was their response to 2004 (I'd like to know more if anyone has any good links). We've seen Hackett screwed, the Ohio special election's miracle turn around in Blackwell's favor, and more since 2004.

I'm tired of bad nights, you're tired of bad nights, we're all pissed. Too bad we can't get ONE SINGLE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC LEADER to take on this issue.

We've got a Truth Teller running for Senate in VA, James Webb, not the party choice. He's running against Mr. Diebold, Harris Miller, their former lobbyist in the Democratic primary. We'll make a big statement there. Send Miller packing. Dunno know how Webb will do on this issue but he is INTELLECTUALLY HONEST and serves out of commitment not ego.

Maybe we'll have a good night here. Hope your's is there!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:58 AM
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26. Great point about Florida. If anyone owuld have humidity problems
it would be you. And, they happened in only the last 100 precincts. What a crock of Bob Evans bull shit.

Good luck in FL. I have visions of the "evil doers" behind bars someday.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:42 PM
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32. Visions of them behind bars for crimes committed against our country
is nice!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:50 AM
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28. I'm so glad someone pointed your thread out to me.I've never heard of this
It's almost overwhelming knowing a group of determined Republicans can pull this off, and the old "humid" ballots just does NOT wash.

One has to wonder, now that we know what they've been doing, how LONG have they been doing it? All the way back to the 1980's? I think it's probably likely. They've been caught cheating so many, many, many times.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:30 PM
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31. Glad you have it. Pass this link around..
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0508/S00186.htm

Thank God for "Scoop" Independent Media...why the MSM in this country didn't pick it up, I'll never know. This is an anonymous, documented story that anyone could have used as a real investigative piece. In fact, we sent it to a bunch of folks and said do just that, "Please take my story." Nope.

Strange isn't it?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:10 PM
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30. This is great work. They really need to keep a stranglehold
on Ohio politics and get Blackwell into the governor's mansion. Otherwise it's all gonna blow wide open.

Paul Hackett deserved better, as did John Kerry, and America.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:50 PM
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33. I still think he won that race
I don't buy that humity bs for a second.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:14 PM
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36. Can you imagine...what's next? The dog ate my ballots!
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:19 PM
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37. Getting metaphysical
I do think the election of 2004 had fraud and theft.I haven't studied this Ohio race but I was thinking about why OHIO again that we are having the big debate about on DU...Hackett and what happened to him are just as big as story as Cheney this week on DU and that's saying something.

OHIO. Maybe the universe is trying to tell us something. Pay attention. Maybe it's the key to the whole ballgame.

Like exit polls in the Ukraine.




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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:44 PM
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44. Excellent. Thank you.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:42 PM
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38. excellent post... kicking and nominated..
:applause: :applause: :applause:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 07:50 PM
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40. autorank, I really admire your persistence!
"In praise of what persists!"

:kick:
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freedomfries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:40 PM
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42. thanks for the reminder autorank!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:41 PM
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43. We did some good work in a short period...good times, good times...
;)
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freedomfries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 09:36 AM
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45. k & r
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