Please help me compile anti-DLC resources.

[iconoclastNYC]

Does anyone know any good articles or books or websites that expose the DLC operation?

The only thing I have right now is criticism section of wikipedia's entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council

And "How the DLC Does It":
http://www.prospect.org/print/V12/7/dreyfuss-r.html

[Sarah Ibarruri]

1. I have a probably dumb suggestion

Why don't we get Democrats in power, then work from that point on to make the entire party more liberal? Rather than fight DURING A FASCIST ADMINISTRATION against a number of Democrats? Maybe that's an incredibly dumb idea. I don't know. Seems to me that the idea should be to get in all Democrats across the board, extricate the right wing arseholes from all offices, then move the Democrats left, where we ought to be.

Fighting against Democrats is what Nader did, and I'm looking at what that got us: 8 years of fascism, increasing homelessness, a fully fascist Supreme Court, every lobbyist on K Street a fascist, the working poor, the middle class, and women suffering more than ever, a fake war that has killed countless Americans and a monstrously huge amt of Iraqis, our treasury sacked, and the rich, richer than ever in history.

Show me why it's better to destroy Democrats during a fascist right wing regime, than have all Democrats work together now to eliminate the fascists, then turn everyone left where this country ought to be?

[acmejack]

2. Don't necessarily see where the OP said anything about that.

OP said they want documentation resources, which is a valid request. Don't participate if you choose, but don't hop hop on your soap box and start moralizing self righteously at us either.

http://www.alternet.org/election04/20774/

[LynneSin]

4. But think if we spent all that time and effort fighting against repukes

I'm not saying that we shouldn't support an opponent against DLCers, but they are secondary to what is important in 2006, which is getting rid of Republicans. And I'm sorry, too many posters here at DU just slap the DLC label on any democrat they don't like or anything that happens that makes them upset (most notably the Hackett/Brown thing in which NO DLCers were involved!)

BTW - anti-DLC means you're Anti-John Kerry. Kerry is a member of the DLC. You can look it up

[Sarah Ibarruri]

5. Thank you. You said it much better than I ever could've.

We're dissipating our energy and sources. Instead of fighting the right wing extremist GOP, we're screwing around trying to fight Democrats. This is what got us 8 years of Bush. Let's fight the GOP tooth and nail any way, anyhow, then fine tune it when we have this scourge's claws off our country's neck.

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[AtomicKitten]

33. and you embody the "enemy" on the left

both insidious and both as detrimental to strengthening the opposition to the current regime.

[acmejack]

8. BTW Don't try to give me any of that crap!

I know who is and who is not a member, thank you & I am proficient with a search engine, but I do appreciate your interest making sure I know of it's availability to me.

I challenge you to respond to the article as to why the Koch brothers support the DLC?

[iconoclastNYC]

11. Anti-DLC means I'm anti corporatist

And I wasn't a Kerry supporter in the primary I wanted Dean, and the DLC issues is a big reason why.

I want a traditional out and proud liberal Democrat. Not some self loathing "New Democrat" who reinforces GOP frames and sells out the middle class at every opportunity.

[MrBenchley]

31. Bullshit

"I wanted Dean"
That would be Howard Dean, whom Vusiness Week described as Rockefeller Republican for the favors he did for IBM while governor of Vermont. Nice going.

[iconoclastNYC]

62. Business Week doesn't speak for me.

Bill O'Reilly says that we are traitors.

What's your point?

I liked what Dean was saying in the campaign. I know who I voted for thank you very much.

[MrBenchley]

95. Business Week is a publication for adults....

"What's your point?"
Obvious.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

47. Like you, I'm also anti-corporatist.

Corporations are masks behind which stand the rich. To have a govt. of the rich, is harmful.

However, I have seen the aftermath of lefties not joining hands to rid ourselves of the GOP: 8 years of harm to our country. All Democrats must now join together and remove all Republicans so we can heal this nation once again. After that's done, then we can move towards the left and help all those Americans that suffer so much and kick corporations in the arse.

[radio4progressives]

85. You and others are Not Interested in the Left, except if we shut up and

sit down. That's all the DLC defenders want from the Left. You want to demonize us, and you want our support. Our voices are not to be heard, our input is to be disregarded - we are to simply sit down, shut the fuck up, pay up and vote for the very people who marginzalize us.

That's really brilliant politics.

[NativeTexan]

61. Moderates like me are.....

...anti-corporaists also. Some of us are even....wait for it.....PRO-CHOICE, TOO!! Not to mention pro-gay rights, and other liberal causes. We are also, many of us, below the national wage average. Being anti-DLC, like being anti-liberal Democrat, is nothing but a party splitter. No one can have everything they want, but the majority of American indy's are of the moderate persuation. We can't win an election with JUST moderates, or JUST conservatives, or JUST liberals. It honestly takes the big tent that we used to stand for. Without it, we are doomed to more regimes like the Bush Fascist Party, and more presdents like the Village Idiot!

[MH1]

25. Bullshit on "anti-DLC means you're Anti-John Kerry"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=471099&mesg_id=471099

Things are never as black-and-white as some folks seem to make them.

And in fact I generally agree with not fighting other Democrats, but in this case the DLC (Al From anyway) started it. Kerry is one of our best liberal senators, and naturally a leader of the party due to being the last presidential nominee. From is basically saying, "don't you dare nominate another liberal".

[Hippo_Tron]

129. Kerry was definately not From's first choice.

Dean actually openly said that he didn't like From and the DLC which means that From was going to settle for pretty much anyone but Dean (I'm not counting Carol Moseley Braun, Al Sharpton, or Kucinich because it goes without saying that From wouldn't want any of them). But Kerry and Clark are strong and independent enough of the DLC that From couldn't really have control of them. He wanted Lieberman very badly and if he couldn't get Lieberman then Edwards or Gephardt would've been easier to control than Kerry.

[ProudDad]

54. That explains why he folded in '04

DLC tool.


(Can't blame Ralph for '04, bunkie)

[radio4progressives]

73. hmm..

check this out..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x478858

[lojasmo]

87. I am against those who collude with the republicans

and their agenda.

A large plurality of DLC members do just that a majority of the time.

If we spend all our energy opposing republicans while (at least tacitly) supporting those who collude with the republicans on their agenda, we will end up with a party which embraces the same agenda as the RNC.

No thanks.

[iconoclastNYC]

10. If the Democrats are DLCers they are really Republicans

So that's my point. We need to educate the rank and file to the divisions within our party and that the Corporatist faction is taking over. That way they'll understand the importance of becoming involved in primaries.

We take our party back a seat at a time, in the primaries.

You need to only look at what the conservatives accomplished in the GOP to see how it is done.

[SaveElmer]

27. So again...

I see you won't take responsibility for the consequences of your statements. Are you saying that those who support DLC candidates have either A.) been duped, or B.) are actually really Republicans?

[iconoclastNYC]

67. Those aren't the consequences.

Strawman argument my friend. Look it up.

Why don't you talk to us about why Hillary is the best person to lead our party and our nation? Oh right....

[AtomicKitten]

89. you have nothing but contempt for "our" party.

I was neutral about the DLC before coming to DU. But people like you have made me see what influence is truly detrimental to "our" party. Take a long look in the mirror.

Your obnoxious, caustic representation of "your" party using gross exaggerations and misrepresentations has served only to expose you, not the DLC.

[iconoclastNYC]

101. Right. Its us that's the enemy.

OK got it!

So you are pro DLC now?

[AtomicKitten]

106. If you want me to choose

I choose the DLC.

At least the DLC and I have the same enemy, the Republicans.

You have expressed nothing but contempt for the Democratic Party. Rather than focusing your energy on removing the Republicans from power, you choose to try to divide the only viable opposition.

Well done.

I'm not impressed.

[iconoclastNYC]

107. It's is the DLC is dividing the party

It's the DLC who attacks progressive leaders and tries to silence all opposition to it's Republican/Corporatist agenda for our party.

You are projecting.

[AtomicKitten]

111. and you are in total denial

I suggest you go back and read this thread.

[iconoclastNYC]

114. What will I see?

I'll tell you what. 2 or 3 people who say black is white and the DLC is our salvation and anybody who says otherwise will destroy the party.

I'm not buying your crack.

[AtomicKitten]

117. dream on.

I'll leave you to peddle your kool-aid.

[mtnsnake]

15. Not dumb at all. It's one of the best posts Ive read in weeks

Well said, Sarah!

[RazzleDazzle]

50. Wrong.

It's a lovely idea, but the DLCers are fascists too. Failing to face them down amounts to aiding and abetting the fascists they support.

[SaveElmer]

51. So...

Are DU'ers who support DLC candidates also fascists?

[mtnsnake]

52. "the DLCers are fascists, too"?

:rofl:

[NoPasaran]

81. Well, DLCers started out as "Republicans"

Now they've graduated to "Fascists"

I'm sure a bit down thread they're "Nazis"

If this gets to a hundred replies we'll find out they're the Borg.

[AtomicKitten]

90. I second that.

[iconoclastNYC]

17. Your post

Suggests that DLC work with progressives. Show me where that is the case?

The DLC started this civil war. Because they want to take over the party. They won. I'm fighting them. I want to take the party back for the middle class and future generations.

If you don't see the urgency and the wisdom in this then you are putting unity as an ideal above reason.

[MrBenchley]

29. No, it's a good suggestion....

[NativeTexan]

60. Because......

....too many people don't see it the way you and I do. Get the power, THEN adjust the party. Far leftism is just as scary to Americans as Far rightism, and after but they KNOW far rightism. They are either going to want to change to something more exceptable, or stay with what they know. Another extremist government is not what they are going to want.

[RealDems]

134. Not necessarily...

The argument could be made (okay, I'm making the argument) that the country has gone "fascist" because the Dems can't get their act together and inspire their activists. I'm as loyal a Democrat as you will ever find, and was never even tempted to vote for Nader, but I can't pretend my stomach didn't turn a little bit during the last campaign when Kerry said he would still vote to authorize the invasion of Iraq.

The nation will respond to conviction in its leaders. Re-taking the Party from the DLC will HELP us take back the country, not hurt us in the effort.

[John Barrett]

135. Point Well Taken

Your point is excellent.

What needs done now is a cohesive effort by the Democratic party to make inroads again into red states. That means moving to the center on some issues, it means that a unified front is necessary, and it means divisive socially liberal issues like abortion need to be removed from the table as Democrat Party issues. The candidates can vote their conscience but disassociate the Party from the issue.

The GOP knows that the best thing that could ever happen to the Democrat party would be for the USSC to outlaw abortion or overturn Roe v Wade. The GOP will lose their wedge issue that fires up their base and the party. Their candidates would be held accountable by most of the women in the voting public. Abortion rights ain't goin to be overturned so don't make it an issue....take my word for it. Make it a non-issue.

[SaveElmer]

3. Maybe take a trip to freepland...

If you want to bash other Democrats...I'm sure they will provide you with what you are looking for.

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[SaveElmer]

16. Thanks...

It is available as one of DU's icon choices if you want one? ;-)

[iconoclastNYC]

19. No I prefer real democrats

not poll worshiping, war mongering faux democrats who married into front runner status.

[SaveElmer]

21. Are you saying...

I am a poll worshiper? Are you saying I cannot make up my own mind, and I am blindly being led around by the nose by Gallup? And finally are you saying that by supporting Hillary I am not a "real" Democrat?

And is DU unwisely allowing its members, who are supposed to support Demcorats, to display an icon depicting a non-Democrat?

[iconoclastNYC]

22. No that's Hillary.

I'm not going to respond to words you so unfairly put in my mouth except : Quit projecting.

[SaveElmer]

23. So...

Hillary is not a Democrat, and I have been duped?

Your words have consequences...

[iconoclastNYC]

28. Hillary is everything you didn't like about Bill

And nothing of which you did.

[SaveElmer]

37. So once again...

What is your opinion of DU'ers who support Hillary...?

Are we:

1. Stupid

2. Deluded

3. Ignorant

4. Republicans

5. Corporatist whore DINO's

I don't think there are any other options unless you are willing to admit that perhaps Hillary supporters are sincere, and you are willing, as Benjamin Franklin said in supporting the ratification of the U.S. Constitution: "...on this occasion (to) doubt a little of (your) own infallibility..."

[iconoclastNYC]

65. I'll keep my focus on Hillary.

She's what I'm fighting against, her and her DLC corporate puppetmasters.

Not you. Vote for her in the Primary if that's what your heart leads you too.

I'll never win over members of the cult of personality.

[MrBenchley]

32. Gee, didn't you know?

The only "true Democrats" are folks like Ron Paul (not a Democrat) and Bernie Sanders (not a Democrat). Any Democrat you've actually heard of is a "corporowhore DINO" (snicker).

[iconoclastNYC]

70. Snicker all you want.

The DLC paymasters are loosing power and anybody who's not on thier payroll knows who the real Democrats are by looking at HOW THEY VOTE.

[MrBenchley]

96. I plan to....

It's hard to find much sillier stuff than yours.....

[onenote]

53. so tell me about these "real" Democrats

Who are they? Who were they in the past? When was the Democratic party a uniformly progressive, anti-corporatist (whatever that exactly means) party?

onenote

[iconoclastNYC]

68. When we were the party of Roosevelt

When the corporatists were so pissed off at his power they tried to overthrow the government in a coup and they passed an amendment to term limit the presidency.

You are blind to history. Willfully I suspect.

[SaveElmer]

94. The same Roosevelt...

For whom the progressives had so little regard, the broke off from the Democratic Party? Who's Vice President ended up running as an independent only 3 years after his death

The same Roosevelt who ran on a platform of balanced budgets, not dissimilar to Herbert Hoover's

The same Roosevelt who was criticized by Progressives for the timidity of his social welfare programs, especially social security

The same Roosevelt, whose overriding goal was the preservation of capitalism

The same Roosevelt who rounded up Japanese American citizens into concentration camps

The same Roosevelt, who pandered to southern racist Democrats to keep them in line.

Roosevelt was a great man, and one of our greatest Presidents. But if you are looking for an example of progressive purity, you will not find it with him.

[iconoclastNYC]

102. "Progressive purity"

There it is again, the DLC apologists favorite attack point.

I'd like to know who here who's anti DLC is against balanced budgets, the preservation of capitalism.

The DLC aims to destroy his legacy: the New Deal, which built the middle class and made this country great.

All you DLC apologists have is straw-men argument. You can't argue for what the DLC actually does so you just have to use logical fallacies to defend them.

[SaveElmer]

128. You may not like the term...

But it fits your attitude to a T...

[mtnsnake]

18. Just what we don't need...& what's with the condescending remark about

his/her Hillary icon?

[iconoclastNYC]

20. see #16

whats with you feinging ignorance. everybody knows that clinton jr is the poster child of the dlc.

[mtnsnake]

24. Now THAT'S a good suggestion

Let me second that!

When the Democratic Party is already known for not having a unified message, here we get some more folks who'd rather lose again in order to support their extreme left views instead of compromising and maybe winning for a change. They don't realize that we have to win first by doing whatever it takes, and then move left after we're in power.

[iconoclastNYC]

30. My extreme left wing view

Is that government should be of the people and not of corporations. My extreme left wing view is that we shoudln't let corporate raiders take over our party and pick all our candidates.

Yeah this is really left-wing extremism in the Corporate States of America.

By the way this not having a unified message is more DLC bullshit. They want us to unify around thier message : corporations yes, everyone else no.

Keep drinking the coolaid, or cashing the checks, whichever it is.

[AtomicKitten]

91. Whatever.

If those opposed to your BS in your opinion are either "drinking the koolaid" or "cashing the checks," you clearly don't have much of a grasp of the subject matter you are attempting to advocate.

Your fake outrage is a cartoon.

[iconoclastNYC]

103. Fake outrage.

I'll take "fake outrage" that defends our parties traditional values over your fake outrage -- defending CORPORATE values.

[AtomicKitten]

109. you seek to DIVIDE "our" party.

You can continue to try to frame your efforts as something different, it still boils down to the same thing.

Your naivety towards corporate money in politics is cute, really. Unrealistic, but cute.

And at least the DLC knows who the real enemy is.

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[AtomicKitten]

119. the DLC have as much right to a voice as you do.

At least they are Democrats.

[SaveElmer]

34. Do you ever get the feeling...

That some of these people have their anti-DLC rant programmed into a function key so they don't have to type the same tired thing in every time?

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[mtnsnake]

38. haha, for sure

I also think some of them have alarms go off whenever there's a chance to bash any Democrat who doesn't quite fit their "standards" of perfection. LOL

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[SaveElmer]

93. We ask the same questions...

Because you refuse to answer, or accept the logical conclusion of your assertions. You claim that the DLC is a crypto-fascist, corporatist, DINO organization.

I simply ask then, do you consider your fellow DU'ers who suuport DLC candidates as deluded, ignorant, or Republicans? You won't answer because you have boxed yourself into a corner. Why not have the guts to say what you think?

[iconoclastNYC]

100. Because we attack the DLC

Not the victims of it.

[iconoclastNYC]

77. Unified message ! LOL

Yeah right....when the Democrats unify around the DLC's agenda that's when we win!

Sure.

[acmejack]

6. Here are two items

"Democrats should have no truck with the rancid anti-Americanism of the conspiracy-mongering left."

The Rightwing Koch Brothers Fund the DLC

[LincolnMcGrath]

9. Koch Bros info is available from Greg Palast

[wyldwolf]

40. Here's your Koch Brothers info

...as they've contributed to Howard Dean.

Massive amounts of Deans financing for his gubernatorial campaigns came from the health care, insurance, banking, and pharmaceutical industries, with 65 percent of his campaign money coming from outside of Vermont.

One of Deans last acts as Governors was to authorize the sale of the Vermont Yankee plant to Entergy/Koch Industries. He refused to sell Vermont Yankee to another company just months earlier who offereed exactly the same deal. Entergy/Koch INdustries is owned by the two riches contributors to the Bush Campaign in the United States, the Koch Borthers who founded the same Cato Institute that honored Dean with his conservative rating, as well as being the financial backers of virtually every neo-con think tank in D.C.

After the sale, Among the largest and first contributors to Deans presidential campaigns were the executives of the energy companies in Vermont owned in one way or another by Entergy/Koch Industries.

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Some things just don't change. Last month, the Dean Administration caved in to the demands of the state's major utilities, agreeing to support the proposed sale of the Vermont Yankee nuclear station to the out-of-state Entergy Corporation. Under the deal, ratepayers are to be saddled with another expensive power contract while shareholders take the cash proceeds and run.

And for those looking for political intrigue, Vermont now has its own version of the kind of insider dealings that resulted in Vice President Cheney's national energy plan. Vermont utility executives got complete access to the Dean Administration's Public Service Department to pressure a deal on Vermont Yankee that will give the utilities some $25 million for their corporate coffers, and lock ratepayers into high-priced energy costs for the next ten years. This sweetheart deal was struck just after certain utility officials made political contributions to the Governor's presidential bid. Meanwhile, environmental groups didn't get the time of day.

...The timing of the Dean Administration's change of heart is troubling. The Department's support for the Entergy sale was announced just after utility officials made major campaign contributions to the Governor's presidential campaign. Was there a connection? Like Vice President Cheney, the Governor will say no. But only the utilities were in talks with the Governor's energy department. Environmental groups were denied any access to these discussions. And the utilities got what they wanted. If it quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

http://web.archive.org/web/20020820040031/http://www.clf.org/hot/hydro_quebec_to_vermont_yankee.htm

Who is Entergy?

Entergy-Koch, LP (EKLP) is a limited partnership, formed in February 2001, between subsidiaries of Entergy Corporation and Koch Industries, Inc.

http://www.eklp.com/

Among the papers under lock and key, NEWSWEEK has learned, are the records of Dean’s meetings with utility executives about the controversial sale of a Vermont nuclear plant to Entergy Corp. Dean’s lawyers refused to release the papers to an environmental group last year, citing “executive privilege”—an echo of Vice President Dick Cheney’s defense of his energy-task-force meetings. “His sealing the records makes Cheney look accessible,” says one aide to a rival.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3660764

[LincolnMcGrath]

46. Talk to Greg Palast.

[wyldwolf]

58. Don't have to. The evidence is plain to see

[LincolnMcGrath]

127. Uh Ok?

The post I responded to asked for info on the Koch Bros.

I gave Greg Palast's name. :shrug: Palast is hated by the Bushes and The Clintons. (According to Greg)

So, I guess the question is, what are you trying to put forward here? Surely you don't think pointing to Dean means that leftists or progressive purists take money from bad guys?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

7. Anything that doesn't fight the GOP directly, helps it. nt

[iconoclastNYC]

14. Right.

Right. While the DLC cuts off the balls of our party and alienates us from every member of our coalition we should just focus 100% on the Republicans.

Nice conventional wisdom right there. Ingenius.

[radio4progressives]

86. The DLC doesn't FIGHT the GOP - the DLC HELPS THE GOP...

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[Sarah Ibarruri]

131. Actually, dividers of the lefties, like NADER, are GOP election helpers nt

[Writer]

26. Here's a good site:

www.icanttrustanyonebutmyself.org

They have lots of good data. :eyes:

[Capn Sunshine]

35. Major funding source for the DLC-the Bradley Foundation

Check these guys out and you'll know all you need to know about who is "behind" the DLC

HOW in the world can a Democrat be associated with this and retain an objective progressive viewpoint?

Answer: not very likely. Just admit it, you guys: the DLC brokers for the corporate world as reps of the "loyal opposition" and any threat to this status quo is viewed as dangerous.

Board:
Thomas L. Rhodes, Chairman- President of National Review and Heritage Foundation

Reed Coleman, Vice Chairman-Milwaukee Media control

Michael W. Grebe, President & CEO Ex CEO of Foley and Lardner, corporate Law.Republican Party official who has served as General Counsel to the Republican National Committee

William L. Armstrong Famous RW journalist shill

Terry ConsidineTerry Considine was a Republican member of the Colorado State Senate from 1987 until 1992. Ran for Senate against Ben Nighthorse Campbell. Longtime Rep stooge. CEO of AIMCO, a real estate investment trust

Pierre S. du Pont Scion of the Chemical fortune, manufacturers of napalm, former Gov. of corporate haven Delaware

Thomas L. Smallwood Medical school Board , Hospital Boards, Etc.

Brother Bob Smith Catholic educator, board of several large religious institutions, behind the neocon anti-public education specials on NPR ("Education: A Public Right Gone Wrong") and anti-feminist screeds; big behindthe voucher movement.

David V. Uihlein, Jr. scion of wealthy low-cover family of conservatives with their own group of conservative foundations.

Read this about Bradley Foundation's involvement in Iraq policy.


Harry was the more political of the two brothers who inherited the Bradley fortune: and a man with extreme right-wing views. Harry was an key early financial supporter of the John Birch Society, one of the country's leading far-right organizations, based in nearby Appleton, WI.

Robert Welsh, who founded the Society in 1958, was a regular speaker at Allen-Bradley sales meetings. Harry distributed Birchite literature, as did Fred Loock, another key figure at the company. They also supported the Australian doctor Fred Schwarz, founder of the Christian Anti-Communist Crusade and a right-wing Midwest radio program produced by anti-communist producer Bob Siegrist. Harry's main political targets were "World Communism" and the U.S. federal government, not necessarily in that order {Daily KOS}

Funding

Between 1985 and 2002, the foundation had granted close to $500 million to a variety of conservative organizations. ( By the end of 2002, the foundation had $532,048,000 in total liabilities and assets, a 16% drop from the year before. This amount increased to $619,980,000 in 2003. Total grants for charitable purposes were at $25,815,000 and an added $7,562,000 in operating expenses in 2002.

Many of Bradley’s 2003 grantees are among the leading organizations of the right wing, particularly its neoconservative sector. The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research was given $600,000 for the Foreign and Defense Policy Studies program, the Bradley Lectures, and some type of survey analysis. The Hudson Institute received $446,100 for the Bradley Center for Philanthropy and Civic Renewal. The Foreign Policy Research Institute (FPRI) and Middle East Forum received $50,000 each. The FPRI grant went towards the Center for the Study of America and the West and general operations. The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies received $40,000 for research on U.S.–Russia–Caspian affairs.

Among organizations from the religious sector, the Ethics and Public Policy Center received $425,000 for general operations while Freedom House was granted $250,000 for several projects and activities. The Institute on Religion and Public Life received $250,000 for First Things magazine. The Institute on Religion and Democracy received $75,000.

Other grantees include the Project for the New American Century, which received $200,000. The National Strategy Information Center received $275,000. The Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies received $125,000. The Independent Women’s Forum obtained $20,000 for general operations, and Bradley also gave $20,000 to Marquette University for a research project on Norman Podhoretz.

Government organizations also obtained grants. The National Endowment for Democracy received $80,000 for the publication of The Journal of Democracy. The International Republican Institute, which also gets funding from the NED, received $26,000.
Most of the Bradley board members work for or have worked for some of the 2003 Bradley grantees. Chairman Thomas L. Rhodes was the founder and is the co-chairman of American Civil Rights Institute, and it was given $175,000 for general operations and public education about the elimination of governmental racial classifications in California and another $50,000. He was a board member of the National Center for Neighborhood Enterprise, which was given $400,000. Rhodes was also a trustee of Manhattan Institute and Heritage Foundation, which were given $250,000 each, and Heritage received $72,500 to support a fellow in labor policy. The Council on Foreign Relations, which Rhodes was a member of, received $25,000 for the “Defending America in the 21st Century” project.

President and CEO Michael W. Grebe is a board member of the Philanthropy Roundtable, which received $175,000. He was a board member of the Hoover Institution, and it was given $5,000 for general operations, $100,000 for the National Security Forum, and $225,000 for the American Public Education Initiative and Education Next magazine.

Hudson Institute received $446,100 for the Bradley Center for Philanthropy and Civic Renewal. Board member Reed Coleman was the vice-chairman of the National Commission on Philanthropy and Civic Renewal that was sponsored at Hudson. Pierre S. Du Pont was former chairman of the Hudson Institute, and he is policy chairman of the National Center for Policy Analysis, which received $82,500 for general operations and $75,000 for a public education program on Social Security and Medicare reform. Du Pont was also a chairman of the National Review Institute, and it received $20,000. Finally, Smith’s Messmer Catholic Schools received $1,000 for the schools and $215,000 for the high school.

[wyldwolf]

39. whoa! Democrats are taking "dirty" money?

Let's not forget the filthy cash Soros has doled out.

But I guess the question is, has this dirty money bought any influence?

Dean blasted for support of Enron insurance setup
By BENNETT ROTH
Copyright 2003 Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON -- Enron may be only a dying ember, but some Democratic presidential candidates are blowing on the coals.

Democratic front-runner Howard Dean, who regularly slams President Bush for his ties to former Enron Chairman Ken Lay, has recently been accused of hypocrisy by the other candidates for helping Enron in Vermont.

They have seized on reports that as governor, Dean pushed aggressively for tax breaks for corporations that set up subsidiaries whose sole purpose is to provide insurance for the parent company.

One company that took advantage was Enron, creating a spinoff in 1994 called Gulf Company Ltd., which has been taken over by the state of Vermont since Enron's bankruptcy.

Like his predecessors, Dean heavily recruited what are known as "insurance captives" -- which collect and invest premiums paid by the parent company and fill in gaps in coverage. Vermont has, by far, more of these businesses than any other state.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/special/enron/2316370

Wanna talk corporate contributions?

Three times in 2003, one Robert Crandall of Dallas, TX, contributed $2000. to the Dean campaign. Robert Crandall who, since the 1980 election cycle, has made political contributions as the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of American Airlines and the Chairman Emeritus of AMR Corporation. The same Dallas-based Robert Crandall who serves on the Halliburton Board of Directors.

Dean amassed over $110,000 in donations in the first four months of his campaign from people with ties to the Fund for a Healthy America, a Vermont utility group.

David Gram of the Associated Press reported: “One donor who gave Dean's PAC the maximum amount allowed- $5,000 is Robert Young a top official at two utility companies that have had a lot of important business before state government during Dean's nearly 11 years in office. Young is chief executive at Central Vermont Public Service Corp. and chairman of Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Corp.”

Young, it seems, plays both sides, too. Not only did he donate to Dean and and DFA, he also donated to Bush and the Vermont Republican Federal Elections Committee.

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Massive amounts of Deans financing for his gubernatorial campaigns came from the health care, insurance, banking, and pharmaceutical industries, with 65 percent of his campaign money coming from outside of Vermont.

One of Deans last acts as Governors was to authorize the sale of the Vermont Yankee plant to Entergy/Koch Industries. He refused to sell Vermont Yankee to another company just months earlier who offereed exactly the same deal. Entergy/Koch INdustries is owned by the two riches contributors to the Bush Campaign in the United States, the Koch Borthers who founded the same Cato Institute that honored Dean with his conservative rating, as well as being the financial backers of virtually every neo-con think tank in D.C.

After the sale, Among the largest and first contributors to Deans presidential campaigns were the executives of the energy companies in Vermont owned in one way or another by Entergy/Koch Industries.

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Some things just don't change. Last month, the Dean Administration caved in to the demands of the state's major utilities, agreeing to support the proposed sale of the Vermont Yankee nuclear station to the out-of-state Entergy Corporation. Under the deal, ratepayers are to be saddled with another expensive power contract while shareholders take the cash proceeds and run.

And for those looking for political intrigue, Vermont now has its own version of the kind of insider dealings that resulted in Vice President Cheney's national energy plan. Vermont utility executives got complete access to the Dean Administration's Public Service Department to pressure a deal on Vermont Yankee that will give the utilities some $25 million for their corporate coffers, and lock ratepayers into high-priced energy costs for the next ten years. This sweetheart deal was struck just after certain utility officials made political contributions to the Governor's presidential bid. Meanwhile, environmental groups didn't get the time of day.

...The timing of the Dean Administration's change of heart is troubling. The Department's support for the Entergy sale was announced just after utility officials made major campaign contributions to the Governor's presidential campaign. Was there a connection? Like Vice President Cheney, the Governor will say no. But only the utilities were in talks with the Governor's energy department. Environmental groups were denied any access to these discussions. And the utilities got what they wanted. If it quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

http://web.archive.org/web/20020820040031/http://www.clf.org/hot/hydro_quebec_to_vermont_yankee.htm

Who is Entergy?

Entergy-Koch, LP (EKLP) is a limited partnership, formed in February 2001, between subsidiaries of Entergy Corporation and Koch Industries, Inc.

http://www.eklp.com/

Among the papers under lock and key, NEWSWEEK has learned, are the records of Dean’s meetings with utility executives about the controversial sale of a Vermont nuclear plant to Entergy Corp. Dean’s lawyers refused to release the papers to an environmental group last year, citing “executive privilege”—an echo of Vice President Dick Cheney’s defense of his energy-task-force meetings. “His sealing the records makes Cheney look accessible,” says one aide to a rival.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3660764

Dean Donors:

Time Warner
Microsoft Corp
IBM Corp
Morgan Stanley
Citigroup Inc
Goldman Sachs
Viacom Inc
News Corp (yeah - the FOX News folks!)

[Capn Sunshine]

41. um, this is a "DLC": thread

Dean isn't running anymore, much to your dismay I'm sure. You're citing one deal to rid the State of Vermont it's liability and retrofitting costs of a failed reactor project.

That's certainly light years different than allowing the major fascist pimps for War without end to influence how DC Democrats walk and talk about the Iraq invasion.

[wyldwolf]

42. um, yes it is

But it is often useful in these instances to point out the hypocrisy - much to your dismay (and not that you dictate what can be posted over here at DU :))

[Capn Sunshine]

43. So, as lomg as hypocrisy is happening, selling out to the facists is OK?

Alrighty then.....

[wyldwolf]

57. well, I suppose so

If YOU give one a pass (because he's your hero) and not others, I guess we'll follow the example you've set.

[SaveElmer]

49. Well implicit in attacking DLC funding sources...

Is that it is somehow unusual and more insidious than the funding sources goin to virtually every other candidate. If it is proven this is untrue then you have two options...

1. Admit that the DLC is not as different from "real" Democrats as you like to portray

or

2. We can expect to be seeing posts from you with the same vitriol attacking candidtaes who accept money from these people as well.

[iconoclastNYC]

79. You are the king of false choices.

Good thing we all see thru your tactics.

I judge every candidate on thier record and thier ideas. I supported Kerry despite the fact that he has ties to the DLC.

But it doesn't change the fact that the DLC is a corpoate funded cancer that is killing off the Democratic party.

[wyldwolf]

88. You have a loose definition of "fact"

But it doesn't change the fact that the DLC is a corpoate funded cancer that is killing off the Democratic party.

[iconoclastNYC]

105. I stand by my statement.

Why don't you try defending the DLC?

[wyldwolf]

120. I knew you would

..but why not try PROVING your assertions?

[iconoclastNYC]

71. Filty cash Soros has doled out?

Someone has been watching too muhc O'Reilly.

[Capn Sunshine]

44. So, instead of attacking the messenger

why not address these specific details of DLC funding?

Those of you that feel this is somehow justified.









<<crickets>>

[wyldwolf]

56. hmmm... did I attack the messenger?

<<crickets>>

[TankLV]

45. Good luck to you. This could be valuable.

Brace yourself for the usual DLC knee-jerk sympathizers here.

To attack the DLC IS to attack the Repuke party.

The DLC exists to make 2 repuke parties - one a repuke lite in place of the former Democratic Party.

I believe the DLC website has much incriminating items itself.

I'm sure if you did a "search", especially earlier threads on DU, you could find out more speaches, etc. that expose the vileness that is the DLC (repuke party lite).

[SaveElmer]

48. So as I have asked others...

Do you believe that those on DU who do not subscribe to the notion that the DLC is evil, and perhaps may support DLC candidates for election are one of the following...?

1. Stupid

2. Ignorant

3. Republicans

4. Corporatists

[ProudDad]

55. I'd have to guess

a combination of 2 and 4...


See, noone's all bad (except Cheney)...:)


-----------------------------------------

Actually any analysis of the DLC would HAVE to recognize a few truths:

The DLC panders to corporate interests. That's what they do.

These are MINORITY interests, most people don't benefit when corporations benefit. CEO's are by definition insane (I've personally known a number of them). They don't live in the world we working people live in -- their values are NOT our values. They are tools of the corporatist state and corporate capitalism and bow down to their god; Profit Ubber Alles.

We aren't corporate interests. I remember a wonderful statistic from the ronnie ray-gun years... During the roaring 80's, the Fortune 500 contributed exactly ZERO jobs to the economy while their profits went through the roof. I'm sure nothing's changed since then except maybe their contribution to the economies of China and India and they probably have a negative job growth rate here.

Until the working classes determine that these people ARE the enemy, that the system of exploitation being represented by the DLC IS the enemy, they'll continue to f*ck us over and rob us blind...

Just in case you're wondering, if you're not living (well) off the income from your assets, you are working class.

[SaveElmer]

59. Well I have to admit...

You were the only one to actually have the guts to respond to this...so I won't slam you too much by noting that you have said that DLC defenders on DU are ignorant corporatists.

I disagree with some of your other comments as well.

You say "most people don't benefit when corporations benefit" This is of course untrue, as our entire economy is based upon businesses making money. No doubt there is massive abuse going on in corporate America, which is why we need people like Eliot Spitzer (DLC Member) holding them accountable.

I am currently a small business owner, but have worked in many large corporations, and I can tell you your sweeping statement that they are the enemy is simplistic and in most cases wrong. I have worked for some who I believed were unethical (I worked for Computer Associates for a time), and others for which I had nothing but admiration for the folks running the company.

[radio4progressives]

82. Save Our Bill of Rights, Abolish Corporate Personhood (and the DLC)

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/personhood/

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[AtomicKitten]

92. your post is just plain silly.

Those that call BS on your BS do it free of charge.

[SOS]

97. Experiencing cognitive dissonance

A DLC defender with an Al Gore picture as sig line?
Gore told the DLC to drop dead the day he endorsed Dean.
His recent speech on the Iraq catastrophe was a direct kick in the head to the DLC.

[AtomicKitten]

98. nice try

I'm not a DLC defender, however, I adamantly oppose those so obsessed with the DLC that they have no problem seeking to annihilate the Democratic Party in toto. I find their influence infinitely more detrimental to the Dems than the DLC, really just a reincarnation of the disgruntled non-Dems that have always opposed the Democrats more than the Republicans. If those insanely obsessed with the DLC insist we choose, I choose the DLC. At least we have the same opponent, the Republicans.

As a long-time ardent supporter of Al Gore, I don't need you to "inform" me. But thanks for your smug effort nonetheless.

[iconoclastNYC]

108. Right

It's us posters at DU that are more powerful and dangerous than the Corporate funded movement that has installed 10-20 corporate worshiping DINOS in the congress.


Riiiiiight.

[AtomicKitten]

112. DINO in your opinion.

I have read posts here from some of you mental giants accusing Sherrod Brown of being DLC just because you are po'd about Hackett. That's first of all not true and, secondly, absurd.

You are the not the judge and jury on who's a DINO and who's not.

You are simply intolerant of others' opinions and they all MUST DIE!!!!

Get a life.

[iconoclastNYC]

115. Name names buddy.

Your generalizations are deceptive but not surprising coming from a DLC apologist.

[AtomicKitten]

121. keep peddling your kool-aid

You will find your efforts counterproductive.

By all means have at.

[iconoclastNYC]

116. DINO by thier votes, thier records.

The fortune 500 tells you via the DLC what to believe. You are the one with the problem, not me.

[AtomicKitten]

125. Fortune 500 tells me via the DLC via a talking frog via raindrops ...

Your post tells me you're hitting the hallucinogenics.

[wyldwolf]

99. "Gore told the DLC to drop dead the day he endorsed Dean."

Link? No, I didn't think so.

[iconoclastNYC]

110. Ha ha ha ha.

Anyone not living in DLC dreamland knows that that speech was a drop-dead message to the DLC.

[wyldwolf]

118. ha ha ha ha?

Well, quote the super secret code words Gore used that sent the "drop dead DLC" message to the left.

[SOS]

123. The entire DLC web site is my link

They bash Howard Dean incessantly.

I just went there and entered "Dean"....it's page after page of Dean bashing. It's an utterly vapid site (good jobs and good schools for everybody!) and creepy in it's hatred for Dean.
Since, of course, you'll demand an example I copied a piece of Al From's drivel from 10/05:

"In short, voters don't know what Democrats stand for. Why should they? For the most part, congressional Democrats, DNC Chairman Howard Dean, and the party's new Internet activists have delivered a largely negative and pessimistic message -- talking more about what's going wrong than how to make it right.
The simple truth is that Democrats must do better than that.'

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253471&kaid=86&subid=84

Gore's endorsement of Dean in 2004 was his divorce from this milquetoast outfit.

[wyldwolf]

124. Doesn't mean a thing

[LincolnMcGrath]

136. lol

[wyldwolf]

138. lol

Until someone produces a quote, a Gore endorsement of Dean will only be considered a political calculation on the part of Gore to saddle up to the former '04 frontrunner, not a departure from the DLC.

[rman]

63. "Behind the DLC Takeover" Nichols. From 2000. Shows their power.

(copy from a DU post)


"Behind the DLC Takeover" Nichols. From 2000. Shows their power.

The other articles were from other sources, and different years. This is from 2000...

http://www.progressive.org/nich1000.htm

SNIP..."At the national convention of a major political party, an ideologically rigid sectarian clique secures the ultimate triumph. It inserts two of its own as nominees for the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. Heavily financed by the most powerful corporations in the world, the group's leaders gather in a private club fifty-four floors above the convention hall, apart from the delegates of the party they had infiltrated. There, they carefully monitor the convention's acceptance of a platform the organization had drafted almost in its entirety. Then, with the ticket secured and with the policy course of the party set, they introduce a team of 100 shock troops to deploy across the country to lock up the party's grassroots."

SNIP..."Founded in the mid-1980s with essentially the same purpose as the Christian Coalition--to pull a broad political party dramatically to the right--the DLC has been far more successful than its headline-grabbing Republican counterpart. After Walter Mondale's 1984 defeat at the hands of Ronald Reagan, a group of mostly Southern, conservative Democrats hatched the theory that their party was in trouble because it had grown too sympathetic to the agendas of organized labor, feminists, African Americans, Latinos, gays and lesbians, peace activists, and egalitarians.

And they found willing corporate allies, in corporate America, who provided the money needed to make a theory appear to be a movement. In the ensuing fifteen years, the DLC's impact on the American political debate has been dramatic. The group now controls much of the upper-level apparatus of the Democratic Party.

They have only supported business-friendly candidates
SNIP..."Powered by generous contributions from groups such as Americans for Free International Trade and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the New Democrat Network intervenes on behalf of business-friendly Democratic Congressional candidates in primary and general elections. The group already has more than sixty members in the House Democratic Caucus, and it hopes to push that figure to eighty after November's election--a goal that will be advanced with a budget expected to exceed $5 million....." (in 2000)

And a quote from Jim Hightower in the article:
"With the DLC in a position to influence the Democratic Party, Wall Street wins either way," says populist Jim Hightower, who has abandoned his lifelong loyalty to the Democratic Party this year in order to back Nader's candidacy. "If the Republicans win, the corporations have a party in power that will do their bidding. And if the Democrats win, Wall Street knows the DLC will keep them in line."END SNIP...

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[rman]

66. a load of links, articles

a copy from:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4443&forum=DCForumID22&archive=

I went to the trouble of compiling these links a week and a half ago, and then the thread disappeared (Object Not Found!!) about 3 days later. And as I was compiling these, I noticed another thread I'd bookmarked had suffered the same fate. I trust that won't happen to this one.


Start here:
Everone's who's a fan of the DLC needs to read this post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=11323&forum=DCForumID60&archive=


Outing the New Democrats: Pukes in Progressive Clothing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1435&forum=DCForumID34


ARTICLES
Behind the DLC Takeover
http://www.progressive.org/nich1000.htm

DLC says party needs new 'face'
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030213-31023025.htm

Why the Democratic Party Failed to FUnction in this crisis
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2895.htm

How the DLC Does It
http://www.prospect.org/print/V12/7/dreyfuss-r.html

Strange Bedfellows, RightWingWatch
http://csf.colorado.edu/pen-l/2001II/msg03274.html

Why We Should All Give Up on the Democratic Party: A Polemical Essay
http://www.counterpunch.org/sperry1126.html

Strange Bedfellows: Republican Donors fund DLC Meeting
http://csf.colorado.edu/pen-l/2001II/msg03274.html

How the DLC Does it
http://www.prospect.org/print/V12/7/dreyfuss-r.html

Still Clinton's Show?
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030217&s=greider


MORE DU THREADS:

DLC's New Dem Daily LOVES *'s Speech, 2/27/03
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=41356&forum=DCForumID60


To what extent with the DLC Control the Primaries?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=13934&forum=DCForumID66


The joys of war, the outdatedness of antiwar, courtesy of DLC's New Dem Daily
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=12283&forum=DCForumID38


Welcome to the Green/democratic Underground
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=16026&forum=DCForumID66#12


Lieberman is on the Board of the Nixon Library Foundation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=10866&forum=DCForumID60&archive=


There's a lot of reading, but IMO it's essential to know what is going on with the Democratic Party. Only then can "the people" figure it out what to do.

Eloriel

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The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (CLI) has been condemned by the Education for Peace in Iraq Center (EPIC) as “a front group for the pro-war lobby.” CLI’s chairman is Bruce Jackson, former Vice President of military contractor giant Lockheed Martin from 1993 to 2002. George Schultz, former Secretary of State under Reagan, is Chairman of CLI’s advisory board. Schultz is also a current board member and former president and of the Bechtel Corporation, a corporate giant in defense, nuclear and oil contracting. When Saddam Hussein was a US ally in the 1980s, Bechtel supplied him with components for making chemical weapons. Other CLI members with close links to the defense contracting industry include retired General Barry McCaffrey (Raytheon Aerospace) and former CIA Director James Woolsey (The Aerospace Corporation, Booz Allen Hamilton). In fact, very few of CLI’s members are not deeply implicated in the military-industrial complex. At least fifteen of CLI’s members have served in the Department of Defense, many as members of the Defense Policy Board.

<snip>

CLI’s Grandparent: the American Enterprises Institute (AEI)

The core of CLI is drawn from two super-hawkish think-tanks: The American Enterprises Institute (AEI) and Project for the New American Century (PNAC) At least six members are associated with the far-right think-tank AEI. AEI served as a recruiting ground for Reagan administration officials in the 1980s. Most notable among these “Americans Endangering Iraqis” are Richard Perle, Jeane Kirkpatrick and Newt Gingrich. Perle was known in the 1980s as the “Prince of Darkness” by arms control advocates for his view that nuclear war was winnable. He has been criticized even by conservatives as “the world’s no. 1 hawk” and is widely known as the fiercest advocate of invading Iraq. During her tenure as US Ambassador to the UN under the Reagan administration, Jeane Kirkpatrick earned a reputation for double standards and “exceptional arrogance and chauvinism towards most of the peoples of the world.” Once considered the most powerful man to ever serve as Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich chose not to run for re-election in 1998 after being fined $300,000 by a House ethics committee for his illegal campaign finance practices.

<snip>

CLI’s Parent: Project for the New American Century (PNAC)

The other far-right think tank behind CLI is Project for the New American Century (PNAC), and AEI offshoot. The basic idea driving PNAC is that the United States is faced with an unprecedented opportunity to expand its power and influence by military means as the sole superpower of the globe. For PNAC, not to seize this opportunity would be an outrage. Since PNAC apparently borrows its name from the Project for the Republican Future, which PNAC co-founder William Kristol chaired from 1993 to 1994, the plan would appear to be to project extend US military power abroad as aggressively as the Republicans took over the House in 1994. Kristol is one of at least three PNAC members who are key players in CLI. PNAC’s Chairman Gary Schmitt is also CLI’s Secretary, and Robert Kagain, PNAC’s other co-founder, also sit on CLI’s board.


Note: Noted “chickenhawks” on CLI’s board are Richard Perle, Newt Gingrich, Joe Lieberman and William Kristol. These four, along with George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John Ashcroft and Paul Wolfowitz, avoided the opportunity of military service in Vietnam. “A chickenhawk is a term often applied to public persons - generally male - who (1) tend to advocate, or are fervent supporters of those who advocate, military solutions to political problems, and who have personally (2) declined to take advantage of a significant opportunity to serve in uniform during wartime.” NH Gazette, “The Chickenhawks” <http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks.html> (accessed February 6, 2003).

http://www.endthewar.org/cli1.htm
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Here's a nice picture to go with the whole thing:
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Sept 2002 More info follows regarding the network of hawks linked to U.S. Defense Department official Richard Perle (see also
http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2002/msg01210.html) ...

Brian Whitaker of The Guardian notes that the public appearances of most of Perle's associates are brokered by a single representative (theatrical agent), Eleana Benador. Benador's client-list is a who's-who of the attack-Iraq crowd,
including Perle, Khidhir Hamza, Charles Krauthammer, Kanan Makiya, Judith Miller, Laurie Mylroie, A.M. Rosenthal, Michael Rubin, Richard O. Spertzel, and James Woolsey. (William Safire, wherefore art?)

Given Benador's role near the center of Perle's circle, one wonders about the implications of the following photos apparently taken at a meeting that included:
>> US Senator Joseph Lieberman (former Al Gore running-mate and increasingly intemperate hawk),
>> anti-Arab ideologue Daniel Pipes,
>> attack-Iraq PR flack Eleana Benador,
>> and - inexplicably - Reza Pahlavi, the former Crown Prince of Iran.
(Adding absurdity to inexplicability, the photos are posted on the vanity website of a Philadelphia-area realtor active in Middle East politics.)((I'm only posting one- the rest are at: http://www.bobguzzardi.com/Photos/photo.htm ))
Is the RETURN OF THE SHAH another option to be considered against the Axis-of-Evil; and what are the implications
relative to Iraq?


Reza Pahlavi, Joe Lieberman, Daniel Pipes, and hosts.


Bob with Eleana Benador and Reza Pahlavi (Google this Benador chick!)


<1> Photos of Senator Lieberman with Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi, Eleana Benador,
and Daniel Pipes:
http://www.bobguzzardi.com/Photos/photo.htm

<2> Eleana Benador's website, client listing:
http://www.benadorassociates.com/speakers.php

<3> Former Iranian Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi's website:
http://www.rezapahlavi.org/

<4> Michael Ledeen's article about the Pahlavi groundswell:
http://www.nationalreview.com/ledeen/ledeen080702.asp

<5> Brian Whitaker's article about Richard Perle:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,777100,00.html

from http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2002/msg01317.html

[radio4progressives]

69. wow .. this is excellent...

thanks ... :hi:

[iconoclastNYC]

74. Thanks so much!

This was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for your contribution. I may get aroudn to starting an anti-DLC web site.

I think the infilitration of the party by the DLC and the other corporatist groups is the most important problem with our party.

[rman]

76. Credits to DU-er Eloriel

for most of it.

All i did was save it and repost it.

You're welcome.

:hi:

[jonnyblitz]

83. yup, I remember when she would post this. haven't seen her

in quite some time, come to think of it.

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[Totally Committed]

80. Thank you for this...

I have saved it to a file, it was so good!

TC

[snowbear]

122. *** What a FLAMEBAIT piece of shit this thread is ***

DU'er are at each other's throats, threads are being deleted, and the thread keeps getting uglier and uglier.

Un-fucking-believable.

[politicasista]

126. I agree

We play right into their hands every sigle time. Go figure. :-(

[Catchawave]

130. larissa speaks for me !

:toast:

[rman]

137. you speak for a small minority

[Sarah Ibarruri]

132. I shouldn't let pro-GOP Naderites get to me, but they get me every time.

Larissa is correct.

[rman]

139. I think it's pro-GOP to say that DINOs are good Democrats

Because that's what helps move the Dem party to the Right, where the GOP already is.
Good thing only a few people don't realize that.

[RealDems]

133. RealDems.org

www.realdems.org

I set this up a long time ago, and kept it up pretty well for a while. Obviously, I haven't updated it in several months, but it still gives lots and lots of anti-DLC info, and I can guarantee it is all accurate.

[Moderator]

140. Locking

This thread has run its course, and become an exercise in flamebait