The WH is outsourcing our U.S. port security to the Arabs!

[madmunchie]

Why oh why isn't every Democratic leader repeating this charge over and over and over and over and over again from Capital Hill?????????


WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE???????

[northzax]

1. what, you'd be ok if it was to the Jews?

what's with the ethnic slurs?

Of course, the UAE must be a terrorist state, simply because they're Muslim, right? and wear towels on their heads?

bigotry is ugly, ugly, ugly. Shame.

[madmunchie]

4. Sorry, but letting any state from the ME that had ANYTHING to do with

9/11 and terrorism is just plain nuts. Aren't there enough United State Citizens and United State Companies to do the job??????

[northzax]

20. so make that arguement

saying we can't trust "arabs" is simply rascist. Arab is an ethnicity.

there are several million Arabs in the US, should we tell them "sorry, we can't put Arabs in charge of something?"

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. It's really a funny thing.

But, did you realize that the falcon hunting party that we almost blew up because we had intelligence that bin Laden was in the group, was called off because in the falcon party there were UAE members? Why did we hesistate? Maybe for the same reason you are now.

And that some of the money that went to the terroists came through their banks?

You know, I think they've earned our distrust.

[madmunchie]

7. You know that and I know that, what surprises me is that a member of

DU doesn't

[CountAllVotes]

10. yeah I think so too ....

:kick:

[northzax]

19. so use "UAE", not "Arab"

There are people of Arabic descent on this board, I'm sure, what do you think being told that it is dangerous to have "Arabs" in charge of something means to them?

[madmunchie]

6. How many Saudi Arabs were involved in 9/11? OBL comes from where?

Why do we need so much security? Who attacked us??? Come on lets here about it.

[northzax]

17. Saudi Arabia is the same as the UAE?

you know that are different countries, right? and completely different cultures?

I'm not saying that this is a good idea, but using the ethnicity of the rulers of a country as a poltical tool is simply racist, and not something that leaves a good taste in my mouth.

hey, the guy who mugged me last month was black, maybe we're on to something here.

[madmunchie]

26. Educate yourself. Two hijackers were from UAE and Al-Caida has had

heavy funding from UAE.

[northzax]

27. oh goodness, two of almost a million?

and Jeffrey Dahmer was from Milwaukee, should we consider all the cheeseheads to be cannibalistic serial killers? by your logic, yes.

UAE has also arrested more AQ members than any other state, unless you believe the US claims on arrests?

educate yourself, will you? let's go down the list of things AQ hates:

1: the US: oops, base there.
2: Jews: yep. got the vote, represented in government
3: women: equal rights with men

there is no serious AQ presence in UAE, the funding comes from elsewhere, UAE is the most secular state in the region, almost the equal of the US, what's your problem with them?

[madmunchie]

28. First off, United ARAB of Em... identifys them as ARABS (lets drop

the assumption that saying Arab is racist when it plainly identifies them same as "Americans" coming from "United States of America" identifies people coming from America.

2nd, MAJOR money funneled thru them for 9/11 attacks on US,

3rd: Their Government recognizing Taliban as a legit Government,

4th: Over 70%+ of their population unfavorable opinion of U.S. (Zogby).

5th: Nuclear Armaments sent to Iran and Korea thru this country. OUR FRIENDS?

Two of the ports handle 40% of US Army cargo and it is O.K. to let a natio that supports extremists control them? For that matter why are we oursourcing any of our National Security? The most powerful country in the world cannot supply its own security? Americans (company or individuals) are not capable of supplying that security?

As far as your Dahmer comment, well that was as poor an argument as anyone could use. The GOVERNMENT in Wisconsin didn't support Dahmer,(as the UAE supported the Taliban) nor do most of the population dislike or distrust Americans. What is your problem? We don't need to sell our control of our Ports to a foreign country with so many questionable alliances as well as direct ongoing connections to our enemies.

[northzax]

30. acutally, no, Dahmer worked for the State

so the State supported him. same logic you are using about UAE, by the way.

Frankly, the Taliban was actually the legitimate government of Afghanistan, the same that anyone is the government of anything, because they controlled the place. Or was there another government somewhere I wasn't familiar with at the time? recognition is meaningless, really. Does the fact that the US does not recongnize the Castro government of Cuba as legitimate really mean anything? does that mean that Cuba isn't actually goverened by Castro, but really a couple of expatriots in Miami? come on.

so your comments:

1: Arab is an ethnic term, referring to a group of semitic people from a certain region of the planet. Americans would describe anyone from a certain geographical area, not an ethnic group. You can, for instance be both an Arab and an American, but you cannot become an Arab, any more than I can become Black, or Latino, or Asian.

2: they are the banking center of the region. as I mentioned earlier, some of the bank accounts in the US held by the hijackers were at Bank of America, so technically, the money was funnelled through San Francisco as well. And the money that was fleeced from Enron ended up in the Cayman Islands, does that mean Grand Cayman supports financial terrorism?

3: addressed above. the UAE is also one of three gulf states (along with Oman and Qatar) to have anything resembling diplomatic relations with Israel)

4: well, 70% of brits have an unfavourable view of the US (Zogby again) and they didn't seem to do anything about it. Hell, 60% of CANADIANS don't like the US.

5: Dubai is a free and open port. Can you tie any of this to the Government? or simply the fact that if you want to ship something in the Gulf you usually use Dubai? Oh, and you know that UAE and Iran have technically been at war for thirty years over a couple of islands in the gulf that UAE thinks Iran stole from them? or is this the "arab" threat we keep hearing about? I almost hesistate to point out, in advance, that Iranians are, in fact, Persian, not Arabic.

[madmunchie]

31. You are hopeless, You are for foreign countries from the ME controlling our

ports. I AM NOT. You can argue with me until the cows come home, but you are wrong. We do not need ANY country from the ME controlling any of our ports and most of the people on this board....Hell most of the people in this country AGREE. You are not from this country or you just like to argue even when you are wrong.

Right now I don't trust too many (if any) ME countries with our National Security, it is so comforting (sarcasm) to know that you do. My motto, better safe than sorry. I don't trust the Saudis either (they are in bed with the Bush's too much).

You want to play Mr/Ms nice guy with our National Security tells me that you really aren't too bright about what is right in front of your nose. ANYBODY this close to this administration's good favor makes MY red lights go off.

All that I mentioned are legit concerns. All of your arguments simply show that in any argument there are several sides. What you did though was to validate my statements. You didn't refute any of them.

The Arab still stands. You hear it as an ethnic slur because it gives you something to be moralistic about. I use it as a national/regional term (whether technically correct or not). Take it as you want it. Look at so many headline stories with "ARAB" in them though. Obviously, published newspapers agree with my use as well.

[fooj]

8. WE are being ROBBED!!! It's that simple.

It has nothing to do with ethnicity. Two people from UAE are bankers who helped "finance" 9-11. It's as simple as that. They took all of our money...and Little Lord Pissypants set the whole robbery up.

I can't breathe. This is all soooooooooooo insane.

Peace.

[mac56]

9. Ethnic slurs?

The UAE was one of three countries in the world to recognize the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan.
The UAE has been a key transfer point for illegal shipments of nuclear components to Iran, North Korea and Libya.
According to the FBI, money was transferred to the 9/11 hijackers through the UAE banking system.
After 9/11, the Treasury Department reported that the UAE was not cooperating in efforts to track down Osama Bin Laden's bank accounts.

But opposition to this, as far as you're concerned, is mere "bigotry".

[northzax]

18. no, that's not what I said

I said that saying "the government is giving control of our ports to Arabs" is an ethnic slur. Simply replace some words, if you will. replace the word Arab with Jew, or Black, or Mexican, or Women, or Homosexual, or Christian. I can make an arguement, a good one, for not voting for Condoleeza Rice for President, but if you said, "the Republicans are giving control of the country to Blacks" you'd be a racist. words matter.

[CJCRANE]

25. Bushco has created this frame

with their constantly harping on about "them", "the terrorists", "the hateful ideology" and now they're shown for what they really are - opportunists who are doing business with the people they've trained their followers to despise.

They've created this paradox now they've got to face up to it and account for themselves.

[CJCRANE]

16. To the freepers

all arabs,muslims="them","the terrorists":

"the terrorists attacked us, they'll attack us again"

"fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them over here"

The freepers think that it's ok to kill Iraqis because it's revenge for 9/11.

Now they're starting to realise that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and the countries that (directly or indirectly) did have something to do with it are Bushco "allies" and business partners.

They need to have this disconnect shoved in their face as much as possible.

[northzax]

21. of course, not all Arabs are Muslim

and not all (in fact a global minority) of Muslims are Arab.

[CJCRANE]

23. I'm aware of that

but the freepers don't differentiate.

Suddenly they're realising that their Beloved Leader is doing businesS with "them"/"the terrorists" and always has done.

Now, they're gonna have to figure out that not all muslims are terrorists or come to the conclusion that their leader is a terrorist. Either way, their world view is just about to turn upside down.

[northzax]

24. I figured you were

I was pointing it out to the people who are acting a little, well, freeperish on this board.

[marshall]

29. avoid the ethnic slurs

I agree that this whole thing needs to be approached in a way that does not appear to be a blanket mistrust of anything with an Arab involvement.

I can't help but imagine the "shoot from the hip" comments in the media to be using the old "Ay-rab" pronunciation.

[slor]

2. Oh please...

They are doing just that. Maybe you should ask your chimp about stopping it.

[niallmac]

3. umm; White House hires OBL to head Homeland Security?

[CountAllVotes]

11. smart move huh?

:sarcasm:

:kick:

[BigYawn]

13. Brilliant! If Osama was guarding us, there would be no more attacks

from Osama!!!! So simple, so straightforward, so easy
to figure out :sarcasm:

[kansasblue]

12. I'm going over to see what freerepublic has to say about this...

If I'm not back in an hour send some one after me!

[kansasblue]

14. I'm back!

"it's ok, bush will fix it"

Fox
The Bush administration will reverse its decision to allow a Dubai company based in the United Arab Emirates to gain control over several key U.S. ports, the Fox News Channel's Brit Hume predicted on Sunday.

"not really a big deal"

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But a majority are not happy!

In an astoundingly stupid back-room deal, six major U.S. shipping ports are set for control by a company owned by the United Arab Emirates (UAE),

[Douglas Carpenter]

15. the wording of this has a ring of racist/anti-semitism (Arabs are semites)

I am not disputing the main point or the debate.

Sorry, but using the word Arabs as pejorative seems to be socially acceptable in a way that would not be for other ethnic groups. Just imagine the same title with another ethnic group substituted and I think you will see what I mean.

again sorry

[Karenina]

22. Douggiekins...

Here you are apologizing for rightfully pointing out blatant racism. :wtf: Frankly, the REAL issue is if *dauphin, by virtue of his stolen position , has the right to outsource American assets to ANYONE, be they Laplanders or WHATEVER.