Bush says deal is done on ports and Osama offers Bush a chance to convert.

[frankly_fedup2]

We're fucked.

In the Koran it states that you must offer your enemy the opportunity to convert to Islam and if they don't accept Allah as the one and only real God, you are to be killed.

I'll give you two guesses how and the first one doesn't count.

The End

I'll get the URLS. I posted it under General Politics because I heard it just now on the news. If I had the URL texts, I would have posted in LBN's. Give me a few minutes . . . K?


I found an op. ed in the Washington Times. However, a source was quoted????

<http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060216-091234-3243r.htm>

(snip)Yesterday, Stewart Baker, an assistant secretary in the Department of Homeland Security, asserted flatly that "We came to the conclusion that the transaction should not be halted." National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones said that it was "rigorously reviewed." In other words, the White House considers it a done deal.(snip)

[babylonsister]

1. I need a link to that 'deal is done on ports'. 'Cause the blivet

says so?

[msongs]

2. deal is done 'Murika...so screw u and will there be a protest? nt

[TallahasseeGrannie]

3. Now THAT would makes me turn

on the evening news. Bush converts to Islam.

BTW how close is DC to the nearest Saudi-controlled port?

[GrpCaptMandrake]

4. Baltimore and Philly n/t

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

7. No need for Bush to convert

because he is a Christian, or a Person of the Book, and worships God, just as Muslims do. "Allah" is merely Arabic for God, and is not a different or seperate God.

[dusty64]

11. Do you actually

believe that * is a christian?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

12. Ah, now there is a question!

But it is not my place to judge. I think there is another Judge who already knows. :)

[frankly_fedup2]

16. I know what you are saying and we have been told that by Muslim leaders

(very infrequently I might add), and you are right in the way we Christians look at it; however, that is not what the Koran states (which says nothing about the 70+ virgins); however, there are like three reasons Allah justifies killing. One is an act of war; two is blaspheme against Allah; and three is if your enemy will not convert to Islam. This is the only holy book I've seen where God specifies when and why one human being should kill another human being. I don't know about the Torah, but I don't think the Christian Bible states that. I know and "Eye for an Eye" but that is in the old Testament and we are suppose to follow the New Testament. Only book of God I have ever seen that speaks of justified killing.

The one that stuck to my mind is the one that Bin Laden stated on the newest tape tonight. He called for a truce :toast: (never happen in other words).

Then the second offer was asking Bush to convert to Islam. By converting you are not stating that God is just a different name for Allah or the hundreds of names for God the Hindu's have nor the Jews. When converting to Islam, you have to forsake Jesus Christ as the son of God and believe he was only a prophet because Allah would never even compare himself in any way to mankind (not exact wording but trying to get it as close as possible), and that he is the only one and true God. If you do not do this, then you must be killed by beheading. Also, the reason there has never been peace in the Arab/Muslim part of the World and never will be is because they have a belief similar to our Eye for an Eye except theirs continues to say for seven generations those that were wronged, from grandfather, to father, to son, to grandson, to great grandson, etc., have a right for revenge. So if one of those generations feel they have evened the score, then it starts all over again. I apologize to American Muslims who are members here on DU as I know I am not stating this as it should be but I have the basic meaning down. One of my doctors is from Pakistan. We became friends and I would ask her questions regarding the Muslim religion and why so much violence. She said, basically, the same as all the Muslim Leaders stated . . . Islam is a religion of peace; however, she did tell me the above.

Also, she said that Bin Laden was like a hero to the Arab Muslims. Kids had T-shirts, mouse pads, posters . . . he is a big celebrity. She also told me that when we see the pictures that they run over and over and over of Al Qua ida members training, that is a commercial trying to recruit men. She said it was just like when one of our Military Branches runs a commercial for recruitment.

She also told me that when the Taliban were in control of Afghanistan, Pakistan went to play Afghanistan in soccer. She said that after the game (or b4, I cannot remember exactly), the Taliban were so upset with the Pakistan team wearing shorts rather than long pants to cover themselves, that they held the team and shaved everyone of their heads as a punishment (she laughed about this). She said it was on the T.V. there and that it showed their Pakistan team all coming home bald. Anyway, she told me a lot and told me a lot to read and it's surprising . . . but I'm far from

The more I think about Bin Laden's statement, reading between the lines is as if he is stating that they are going to get Bush. They are either going to kidnap him or something. How, I don't know. I cannot fathom them even attempting such a thing. I guess because they were successful with the twin towers, Bin Laden has either went completely nuts, or they have some plan in doing so. Bush's security has to be the best in the World, and it should be with what it is costing us. There should be no way in Hell they can get near the President in this day and time.

What worries me is kidnapping someone closer to Bush and using them as a ploy to get to him. Yeah, I probably watch too much TV (I watching "Air force One" right now, , however, God help us all if something like that would happen.

We are told everyday that our government will not negotiate with terrorists; however, if the above scenario (God forbid) should happen, I bet our policy will suddenly change. I mean Cheney doesn't have to follow the same laws we have to so, obviously, they live by their own laws and rules.

Those evil bastards have no conscience to speak of and are full of hate for this country, and now especially with Bush since the War in Iraq. They hate us, they hate Bush, and everything that we stand for; however, they will take our money we send them for aid for the poor and use it to buy weapons and bombs to kill us with.

This war is never ending, never . . .:banghead:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. Frankly, what is your source?

I have my Qur'an right here and this is what I find in it in regards to fighting others:

Surah 9: 29

Fight those who believe not
In Allah nor the Last Day.
Nor hold that forbidden
Which hath been forbidden
By Allah and His Messenger,
Nor acknowledge the Religion
Of Truth, from among
The People of the Book
Until they pay the Izyah
With willing submission,
And feel themselves subdued.



If you have found a verse that says that one must be Muslim or be killed, kindly cite it for me.

[MADem]

9. You have the same understanding that I do

If you are a person of the Book (believing in the one God of Ibrahim/Abraham) then you are hunky dory--that includes the Christians, like the High-heeled Monkey, and Jews (which surprises a lot of people). It's only the INFIDELS (non-believers or polytheists) who are in hot water.

[catmother]

10. oh boy -- i guess i'm in big trouble.

:shrug:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

14. Catmother, please check my post

which is just below yours. Or check out this link:

http://www.churchofall.us/prayers.html and go to the one marked Salat.

[catmother]

15. i read it and i have bookmarked that site. thanks.

:pals:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

13. And only with conservative Muslims

and maybe some moderates. Sufis, on the other hand, sometimes tend to be more liberal, and some orders honor people from all paths. For example, here is a part of one of the noon prayers that I say every day:

Allow us to recognize Thee in all Thy Holy Names and Forms,
As Rama, as Krishna, as Shiva, as Buddha.
Let us know Thee as Abraham, as Solomon, as Zarathustra, as Moses, as Jesus, as Mohammed,
And in many other names and forms, known and unknown to the world.

Yep, bin Laden would call me a heretic-yet I am a Sufi initiate and a Muslim! :)

[frankly_fedup2]

17. There is my westie again. I'd be lost without that little dog. We lost

our Siberian Husky about a week ago Saturday. He was a big dog and had been with us for about 12 years. He had arthritis and we had been giving him arthritis meds and bayer 81 mg twice a day. We think he had a heart attack.

I had fed the Westie and my big, fat white kitty. I was hollering for my Husky, Lobo, to come before the others ate his bowl when I heard this horrible waling sound. It was obvious some kind of animal but I had never heard a dog make that sound. My husband was on the phone and I came running from the kitchen and opened the front door and Lobo was lying at the bottom of the steps just waling. It was the weekend we got our first real snow. I always had a hard time getting Lobo to come in when it was weather like that. My husband was on the phone and came running when he heard me holler. He ran out in the snow and I could hear him saying to him, "Come on Lobo, Come on . . . Come on . . . "That's a good boy, thats a good boy." He was holding his hand under his head and talking to him. I opened the glass storm door and asked him if he was alright, thinking he had had a stroke and was just unable to move. He told me no that he had just died. I threw on my robe and by the time I got out there his pupils were already fully dilated. I just wanted to hug him and tell him I loved him (all you non-dog-animal owners can laugh, but he was like one of our children, of which we never had). I couldn't stop crying while I was rubbing him with my hand and getting the snow off of him. Then my husband made me get up and get in the house. The dog just laid around the house and out in the yard all day; however, the house seems so empty without him.

When we first got the Husky we had no idea whatsoever what we had gotten into. That new movie that is out with those eight dogs that get lost in the snow. The main one has the colors our Lobo did. The black and white with the icy blue eyes. I almost got one with a brown eye and a blue eye but Lobo seemed more friendly . . . and boy was I right about that. That dog had drove me nuts the last 12 years. The shedding was unreal; however, my husband wouldn't make him stay out, plus, I couldn't make him go out in the summer except to do his business. I house trained him as a pup and he was use to the in and out. Now that he is gone, the house is so quiet. I cannot believe as much as that dog aggravated me with all that hair going everywhere, his neurotic obsession when he got something on his mind, his constantly picking on the cat and the Westie . . . but I do and it breaks my heart a little.

One thing that I noticed was that the Lob quit waling when my husband got to him. I guess that waling he was doing was a wale of fear and/or pain . . . I just don't know. However, my husband held his head in his hand and pet him until he took his last breath.

[MADem]

18. I swapped my avatar from the POW flag to the little Westie

around the time my old girl toddled off into a corner and died. Very neatly and quietly, too. She was a tough old girl, and fierce and loyal as they come. We finally got another (gifted to us, quite the surprise) and she is full of energy, willful as hell, and affectionate as all get-out. She's finally getting past the chew-every-damn-thing-in-the-house-to-friken-shreds phase...

You can never replace the dog you lost, but maybe a time will come when another one finds you. We never planned on having pets, but they planned on us--we have a houseful!!

[spindrifter]

6. How are the 6 ports under

the DP World deal governed? For example, Port of Seattle is governed by its own elected commissioners. These officials then enter into contracts to lease port land and sometimes facilities to operators. There are scads of individual contracts in operation, including those for labor. The point is: can the individual ports get out from under the arrangement BushCo has set up?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

8. I think there is a chance

It seems to me that someone at one of the ports is suing to stop the deal.