Hackett Has Every Right To Be Angry

[ruggerson]

Hackett is the one who got "swiftboated."

We know for sure by Schumer and Reid and the DCCC, and more than likely with the consent of Brown.

We should not be pissed at Hackett for being angry about disgusting, dishonorable, Beltway, underhanded behavior.

We should be pissed at the people who were disgusting and underhanded in their treatment of Paul Hackett.

Why are some of you trying to turn this back onto Hackett?

He did nothing wrong. The people who undermined his campaign did.

Unless of course, you believe that the ends justifies the means.

And if so, I suggest your morals might be more in synch with the Republican party than the Democratic one.

[liberal N proud]

1. So he goes and helps the Republicans?

He was never a Democrat in the first place.

This is what is wrong with the Democratic party, they can never let go of a loss.
Well, I hope Mr Hackett is happy if Deswine uses the data against Brown and remains in office.
You can hang that on your angry little Hackett.

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[liberal N proud]

14. He took it public

You don't know Sherrod Brown so maybe you should pull your insult back! I do, I have worked with him and he is a man of integrity and a damn straight citizen.

All you had on Hackett was that he was a Vet, Great but what about being a Senator? No experience in public office, none, nothing.

Maybe you should work on cleaning up Texas before working on Ohio?

[sendero]

16. I KNOW..

... every last DAMN THING I need to know about Sherrod Brown. He SAID HE WOULD NOT RUN, THEN HE DID.

He has NO FUCKING CHARACTER, HE CANNOT BE TRUSTED, and if I were in OH I WOULD NOT VOTE FOR HIM.

And BTW, what does experience teach our legislators? How to be SELF-SERVING SCHMUCKS, that's what.

[liberalnurse]

33. Bravo....let the truth

speak loud and clear for all to hear! Brown made the choice to sell out his soul....He chose poorly. I am greatly disappointed....

I'm angry at his behavior and sense he would and will sell out his constituents for the best self serving deal that came along. He did that to Hackett in plain site ..... You see, this is what path he has chosen now.....he can't turn back...Like Tony Soprano. All his great progressive work has been tossed aside for selfish goals.

It matters. :dilemma:

[radio4progressives]

22. You worked with Brown? What's the scoop on the Iraqi photos?

the ones that were mentioned in the whispering campaign, to be used against Hackett?

[OzarkDem]

31. Imaginary campaign

it exists only in Hackett's imagination, nowhere else. Get your facts straight.

[RazzleDazzle]

35. Uh, that's not what published reports say

how 'bout getting YOUR facts straight?

Start here: http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2006/02/hackett_drops_out.html

[Guaranteed]

42. That's the beauty of whisper campaigns. It's like passive aggression.

If the people carrying out the deed get called on what they're doing, they just deny it and say that the people calling them on it are paranoid.

[ruggerson]

44. Bingo. That's exactly how these assholes set this up.

Smear Hackett quietly. When they get called on it, point the finger at Hackett and say "see - he's not a team player!"

Pretty filthy dynamic.

[Guaranteed]

37. Pushing out Hackett helped the Republicans.

We just lost the damned seat.

[radio4progressives]

2. excellent questions!

I'm shocked ruggerson! you and I agree on something..

:toast:

[ruggerson]

3. I don't see him helping Republicans. I see him being honest.

which I realize doesn't go over well in the political world.

[Captain Hilts]

4. That's how the game is played by both parties. nt

[FreedomAngel82]

5. Hackett is the one who backed out and now he's whining

[ruggerson]

7. He only backed out

because the people that asked him to enter the race in the first place suddenly started undermining him and calling donors and telling them to stop giving him funds. They essentially cut the legs out from under him.

[FreedomAngel82]

11. He still backed down

He can't fight.

[ruggerson]

13. Hard to fight when you have your own party cutting your money off n/t

[sendero]

23. I'm so tired of this meme..

... are you a fucking moron or are you being willfully ignorant?

His OWN PARTY went around to his donors and sabotaged his fundraising effort.

I'll tell you what, let's go to a movie. When we're halfway there, I'll mug you and take your money, then I'll call you a quitter because you don't want to go to the movie.

Stop spreading bullshit and face the facts. Our grand party can only play hardball with folks that scare them. They roll over and purr for Republicans tho.

[1932]

45. He raised and spent 1 million dollars and couldn't get closer than 2:1

He had enough money and spent enough to know he wasn't going to win.

[liberal N proud]

8. Precisely Hackett/Brown by the numbers Link from last week>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=439636

He simply did not have the money to run the race.

[Guaranteed]

39. I think that's what Hackett has been saying.

They pulled the rug out from under him.

[radio4progressives]

15. huh?

there is principle, and there is a boat load of money and a huge political machine ready to crush Hackett like an ant - you act as if that is some sort of insignificant matter.

Hackett will be crushed by the same political machine that Howard Dean was crushed, and that Cindy Sheehan will be crushed. I'm talking about the leadership in our party. He was threatened to be swiftboated by our party. He was mentally prepared to be swiftboated by the repukes, with the support of the party, he could defeat that. but to be swiftboated by both parties, when he wasn't prepared for it, well that is a matter of major significance.

you want to go put your head in the sand over at the river of denial.. fine. be my guest. but you're looking pretty foolish with all your protesting on this one.

[blue cat]

6. He has a right to be angry

and a right to go on Hardball and discuss what happened to him. But it was a bad political move to take it to Hardball. Tweety was drooling all over this story, which will come back to haunt the other vets running, just wait and see. None of it was Hackett's fault. But going on the show will hurt others who have no fault in this. Dewine wins for sure now, and we all lose.

[ruggerson]

9. So what's the lesson learned?

Maybe we should play hardball against Republicans and not fellow Democrats?

[Botany]

10. Damn Right.

As an Ohio voter I am pissed. Brown's voting record is very good but a Cleveland liberal
will not pull votes in repug areas of the state like Hackett. Between the funny voting machines
and Brown's down side w/ a large section of this state's voters I am doubt that DeWine will
lose in November.

And I have called the Brown camp and if they had a Dan Lucas working for them. They said,
"Yes, we do."

I asked did he take part in a whisper campaign against Hackett.

"We will get back w/ you."

I am still waiting.

[OzarkDem]

18. Brown's district is conservative

He's done a great job for years winning in a conservative district, he has broad appeal to voters, even Republican ones.

He'll do fine in the rest of the state, in fact, until the Hackett smears started, he was ahead of DeWine.

[Botany]

24. District 13 Conservative?????

The 13th district is no where near as conservative as the Ohio #2.

[OzarkDem]

26. Do you live in the area?

I live in the district. It has Dem pockets, but is full of R and I voters. It includes some of the most conservative suburbs in Cuyahoga County and Summit County.

[Botany]

30. Bath Ohio is a hot bed for progressive & liberal dems.

Richfield too. :rofl:

I used to live up by there. Stow, OH. However even conservative areas of Cuyahoga and Summit County are
miles more "liberal" then some areas of district #2. Even though greatly diminished the union vote is still important
up there and you have some sizable hispanic, african american, and very liberal pockets up there. In Adams County
OH they shoot people who look like "they do"

[formernaderite]

21. If Brown is directly implicated, I'll be pretty disappointed.

I do think he's the better candidate...but the democratic operation that took Hackett down is despicable. I thought I'd seen it all, but am pretty shocked by this one, particularly at their stupidity. Hackett isn't a long time tried and true party loyalist, who will play dead at a moments notice...they should have realized that when they recruited a soldier.

[OzarkDem]

27. He won't be

and it reflect poorly on anyone who falls for these rumors. I would think Dems would be more rational and less likely to jump on rumor bandwagons.

[OzarkDem]

17. You don't know any of that

care to provide more proof than just rumors?

He ran a bad campaign, it was too big of a race for him. He knew it too, that's why he pulled out instead of saying. He was too far behind and wouldn't be able to raise enough to launch an effective campaign against Brown or DeWine.

[baldguy]

19. Someone should give him a TV show.

Think of the novelty of a talk show host who tells the truth, has integrity and is ready to rip a new asshole for anyone who comes on the show to spread propaganda.

[OzarkDem]

28. He'll probably end up on FAUX

I suspect money means a lot to Mr. Hackett and will be willing to sell his services to the highest bidder and be paid highly to bash Dems on a daily basis.

My feeling is, he's no Wes Clark.

[RazzleDazzle]

36. Funny, Sherrod Brown strikes me as fitting that description

about now.

[radio4progressives]

20. ruggerson, have you read this yet?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2471819

[ruggerson]

34. Haven't seen it

will read it tonight, but I'm fairly well glued to the Democratic party, miserable as it may be at times.

[Captain Hilts]

25. The Dem Party didn't help Tim Hagen either. nt

[OzarkDem]

29. Prove it

or offer Brown an apology. All you have is Hackett's version of the story and that keeps changing.

[ruggerson]

32. David Mixner has already confirmed it for crying out loud

and I believe what Mixner says. Far more readily than I would believe non-denial denials from the DCCC.

[RazzleDazzle]

38. You sure as hell have a short memory

Is there a reason for that, as in it doesn't suit your purpose to remember that there are published accounts that don't exactly fit your preferred little Hackett-smearing scenario filled with falsehoods and innuendo?

Here it is again: http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2006/02/hackett_drops_out.html

[Guaranteed]

40. It's Fox News tactics.

I've been seeing the Brown supporters using the old "People are saying..." phrase to start their rumors all over the board.

[RazzleDazzle]

41. Well, here you are

a little more than Fox rumor tactics:

http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2006/02/hackett_drops_out.html

[Guaranteed]

43. Damn....the polls changed when

the people being polled were only presented with Hackett and Brown's bios. Amazing.

Imagine if they'd actually gotten to HEAR the guy.