This is why I'm an Independent

[dolo amber]

This is the DEMOCRATIC Party's flyer from the election of 1868:



Y'know, *if* Wes was once a Republican, and CLEARLY what was is what shall ever be...have fun in your racist party. :hi:

edit: In re: the first 894,725 posts in this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2468490

[TomClash]

1. Huh?

If you're saying Dems are racist, please note the flyer's date.

[Magrittes Pipe]

7. Yesterday, people in GD were saying that they'd never vote Clark...

...because he "used to be a Republican."

If what used to be the case is always the case... you get the drift.

It's called sarcasm.

[TomClash]

10. Thanks nt

[Coexist]

13. Clark was NEVER a republican, he was an Independant until becoming

a Democrat.

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. You are judging an entire party based on a position

from 138 years ago?????

:wtf:

[liberal N proud]

3. 1868

I don't think that stands any longer and those who had that attitude are long gone. Anyone who still believes that should be run out of town.

[bbinacan]

4. What?

[derby378]

5. Sorry, but I'm old school

Ours is the party of Thomas Jefferson, and he freakin' rocks.

[Magrittes Pipe]

9. Thomas Jefferson owned 250 slaves.

[derby378]

19. Check your history books...

Property owners in Jefferson's neck of the woods were required by law to own slaves, IIRC. Didn't he try to free his, too?

[Magrittes Pipe]

20. Do you believe the contention of Sally Hemmings' heirs?

If so, Thomas Jefferson also raped his slaves.

NO sex between OWNER and PROPERTY can ever be truly consensual.

[derby378]

21. Dogma can be a tricky thing...

And yes, I've seen some of the Hennings heirs. I think they have a claim.

Don't try to make this about sex - you know that FReepers will always bring up JFK and Marilyn Monroe, Clinton and Monica, etc.

[Magrittes Pipe]

23. Ah, but it's not.

Fault can be found with everyone. Jefferson has a lot good to be said about him. He also had a hell of a lot of faults.

The biggest difference (okay, I'm greatly simplifying here) between the Federalists and the Jeffersonian Republicans was that the Federalists supported a strong federal government, while the Republicans wanted the majority of the power to be in the hands of the states.

Just like the Democrats during the Civil War. Just like today's Republican party.

Dogma IS a tricky thing.

[DemBones DemBones]

28. The DNA tests showed that

SOME male in the Jefferson family had fathered Sally Hemmings' children.

There is no way to establish conclusively that the father was Thomas Jefferson. There is also, obviously, no way to establish conclusively that Thomas Jefferson was not the father.

The case has been discussed a lot in genealogy forums.

[lynne]

40. Why is that?

Why can no sex between slave and master ever be consensual? Sally was half-sister to Jefferson's deceased wife, Martha. Is it impossible to think that they could have had an actual affection for each other?

Sex could also have been consensual between the two as a bargaining tool as Sally was a house slave which afforded her and her children better working conditions and living quarters.

To the best of my knowledge, not even the Hemings family alludes that Jefferson raped Sally.

[lynne]

39. Required by law to own slaves?

I'm curious about this. Can you post a link so that I can look into it further? Thanks!

[blue cat]

6. MLK was a democrat

So was Rosa Parks. That's good enough for me.

[gr8dane_daddy]

8. Racist party?

We only need to look back a few months for racist remarks by dubya's mommy, not something posted in the late 1800s.

[varkam]

11. Barbara Bush has a set of brass balls.

She showed them off pretty well too, when talking about the citizens displaced by Katrina.

'They're all underprivileged anyway, so this is working out pretty well for them.' and 'The scary thing is that I'm hearing they all want to stay here.'

She has to get her pants custom tailored.

[flaminbats]

30. Why did MLK remain active in the Democratic party?

In June of 1960, Dr. King announced plans for picketing both the Republican and Democratic National Conventions. He even personally met with Vice President Nixon, Eisenhower, and JFK during the 1960 election. He was a Democrat in Georgia, but I doubt he was a supporter of Marvin Griffin, Ernest Vandiver, or of the county unit system.

But Dr. King knew that blacks in the south couldn't gain equality by remaining isolated within the Republican party. The only way minorities would have a powerful enough national voice to end segregation would be to bring the battle into the Democratic Party. Southern whites like Richard Russell, George Wallace, and Herman Talmadge held power by attacking their opponents as black Republicans. The worst fear of these white politicians..blacks would join the Democratic party, this is why they rabidly defended white primaries in the south. Dr. King understood that voting in the Republican primaries in the south was a waste of time, and a lasting difference could only be made by becoming a force within the majority party.

Southern Republicans would love for minorities and white liberals to remain isolated within the Democratic party. But what happens when people like me have had enough of wasting our votes in the Democratic primaries, what will happen if we decide that conservatives can't have a monopoly on the Republican party..that we can also run candidates and vote in the Republican primaries!

[Ashamed_American]

12. So uhhh.

Wow. You know, I'm not even gonna try this one.


www.blackeyedsundays.com

[mrcheerful]

14. Actually the people that were the democratic party of 1868 are now the

puke party base. These were the southern democrats that Johnson knew he was giving to the pukes in 1964 when he signed the anti discrimination laws. They started leaving the democratic party and joining with the Hoover pukes, 1964 was just the end of the change over. As far as independents go, well what can we liberals say, it was the independents that helped bring King George into power, live with that little fact.

[dolo amber]

15. Which is exactly my point

Things, and people, change.

[Capn Sunshine]

16. except independents , apparently

:nuke:

[Susang]

33. Meaning what, exactly?

Your point, if you have one?

[Pirate Smile]

17. So are you an Independent or a Democrat?

:)

[radio4progressives]

18. not really

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2471819

[Vickers]

22. You're an Ind. because of that? Wow, are *you* completely fucked up!

Good luck with that historical strawman non-sequitur horseshit! :P

[Magrittes Pipe]

24. Good luck with reading the thread!

:P

[Vickers]

37. Sorry, I was trying to be as overblown as the premise.

:P

[crispini]

25. LOL, nobody in the thread appears to be getting your point.

But you knew that would happen. :hi:

[Magrittes Pipe]

26. She just laughed and laughed and laughed...

...when she got the idea to post this. :D

[dolo amber]

29. Half the fun of posting in this forum

is being clever, eh? ;) :D :hi:

[Susang]

34. It used to be

:hi:

[JNelson6563]

42. I get it

but I guess one needs to agree with the motive to fully appreciate its' "cleverness", even the self-proclaimed kind. :eyes:

Julie

[arwalden]

27. Used-To-Be's Don't Count Any More, They Just Lay On The Floor...

... 'til we sweep them away.

[DaveinMD]

31. you really need a history lesson

The Democratic party was a conservative party until the 1920s. FDR turned it into a progressive party. 1868 isn't too relevant. But nice try.

[FrenchieCat]

36. I know that most Black Folks voted Republican (Lincoln's party)

Until FDR--That would be the late 30s.

Martin Luther King Jr. was not as much a Democrat
as he was a Black man speaking for the oppressed against racism.

Most of his speeches were about the status of the "Negro" in these United States.

[elshiva]

32. LOL!

[Susang]

35. You are a naughty little troublemaker

I hope you're proud of yourself. :P

[Hello_Kitty]

38. ROFLMAO!!

:popcorn:

[Le Taz Hot]

41. No, THIS is just another

Clark thread in disguise. I hate my time being wasted. <Flush>

[nickinSTL]

43. maybe you should have used a sarcasm smiley

clearly, people aren't getting it :eyes: