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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:40 AM
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I'm getting worried about Dean's "50 State Strategy"
Not one single Democrat has stepped up to run for the Senate against either Richard Lugar in Indiana or Bill Nelson in Nebraska.

And then there's the Brown/Hackett primary debacle in Ohio, which needs no further elaboration here.

Meanwhile, grassroots Democrats are being pressured to drop their primary challenges to the "establishment" candidates.

Somewhere, I'm convinced that Howard Dean is nursing the mother of all headaches with an extra BC powder and looking wistfully on his days as Vermont's governor...
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:43 AM
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1. Great idea for Nebreska...
send a primary challenge to the only Democrat that can win the seat in that state...

That sure works toward our goals of taking back Congress...
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:45 AM
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2. I think a lot of DUers have had it with Nelson
Time for a change...
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:47 AM
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3. You can have a change.
From a senator that will caucus with the Democrats to a senator that will caucus with the Republicans.

Change is good I guess...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:50 AM
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4. You sure did pack a lot of misinformation
in one brief post

1) It's Ben Nelson, not Bill Nelson. He's a democrat in one of the reddest states in the country. Do you really want to put this Senate seat in the R column?

2) What does Dean have to do with the Hackett/Brown fiasco? In fact, what does that mess have to do with the 50 state strategy?

3) What grassroots candidates are being forced to drop out, other than Hackett?
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:55 AM
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5. Okay, so it's Ben instead of Bill...
I'll give you that.

As for grassroots candidates, Ned Lamont is challenging Joe Lieberman in CT, and Rick Chapman is challenging Bill Nelson in FL. (See? I knew there was a Bill Nelson in my fragile little mind...) Both are being pressured to drop out of the race and let the DINOs play on the Hill some more.

And you misread my post - I'm not blaming Dean for Brown/Hackett. But as he's head of the DNC, he has to deal with the resulting shitstorm.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:03 AM
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9. The party apparatus should and will always favor an incumbent
in primaries.

Its nuts to think the party is going to start purging itself of incumbents.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:11 AM
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12. Ouick, what's the difference between
Nebraska and Connecticut? That's an easy one, isn't it. The former is an overwhelmingly repub state, and the latter is a strong dem state. There's an enormous difference between running a primary candidate in CT and running one in NE.

On another post, you stated that Nelson votes with the repubs more than the dems. Actually, that's not true, but even if he did, you're forgetting that if dems regain the majority in the Senate, he'll be voting for a dem for majority leader. Now that's a big deal.

C'mon, don't you think we should focus on beating repubs, rather than replacing dems that we deem DINOs?
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:01 AM
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7. hey lady misinformation part deux
:P

Ben Nelson is as good as a republican already. It might serve us better to get a more moderate Republican in seat there than that jackass DINO who votes with the republicans anyway.

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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:56 AM
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6. Grassroots development of the "farm team" takes time
It will be an election or two before you see large numbers of candidates ready to take on the big tickets. The 50-state strategy is about helping lower order candidates for local regional and state offices as well as federal. The lower order candidates are the farm team for the big tickets and, as one of them myself this year, I'm quite comfortable speaking for what I presume is a majority of them when I say they need a little experience under their belt before taking on the challenge.

Your original post also makes the mistake of connecting the Dem Party and Howard Dean with the people who "pressured" grassroots candidates to drop challenges. That came from an established group of elected representatives in DC, not the Dem Party and I have yet to see anyone speaking on behalf of the Dem Party think it was the right thing to do.

I, too, feel for Howard Dean and the headache he must be nursing right now. But I'm still thrilled with his performance as chair of the party and truly believe he is the best person for the job in these times. If anyone can shame the "establishment" in DC to clean their act up in regards to grassroots challenges, he can.
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Plausible Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:02 AM
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8. good candidates are hard to find?
seems like the problem is coming up with good candidates to challenge the thugs. Maybe the Dems at local and state levels need some new stragety for finding and promoting good candidates.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:05 AM
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10. Dean looked fine on Face the Nation last week
didn't seem to have a headache, but thanks for worrying about his health...

http://democrats.org/a/2006/02/dean_on_face_th_1.php
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:06 AM
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11. Agreed. Things are not looking very hopeful
The progressive candidates I support are being shunned or even worse - blasted - by the establishment Dems.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:24 AM
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13. and what are you doing about it? nt
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:26 AM
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14. I'm working on four campaigns and election reform
on a daily basis, both within my state and nationally.

Don't need to preach to me. The system is broken.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 11:32 AM
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15. Jim Dean is talking about this issue on WPR right now.
http://www.blogforamerica.com/archives/007519.html

Listen to Jim Dean on WPR
Jim Dean is on Wisconsin Public Radio today at 10:00a.m. CST.

Tuesday, Feb. 21, 10:00AM CST
WPR Ideas Network - with host Kathleen Dunn
Guest: Jim Dean, Chair of Democracy for America

You can listen online at: www.wpr.org. Click on the Ideas Network or Kathleen Dunn's show.
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