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johnnyrocket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 05:26 PM
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Things to remember about the UAE deal.....
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 06:13 PM by johnnyrocket
1) The UAE port company is owned and controlled by the UAE government.
2) The port authority would be given advance notice of military shipments.
3) UAE is the origin of 2 of the 9/11 hijackers.
4) The government of UAE was the only nation ( besides Pakistan ) to support the Taliban.
5) This would not be a private company owning the port activties, it would be a foreign government.
6) The UAE supported/supports nuclear weapons technology and secrets to Iran and North Korea.
7) The UAE is a travel hub for Bin Laden's operatives.
8) The UAE financed BCCI related to Iran-Contra.

Updated per replies!
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 05:29 PM
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1. Nice succinct list. Thanks. nt
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:13 PM
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19. Definitely a good one!
Thanks for drawing it up. :thumbsup:
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 05:41 PM
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2. Fourth vote
Nicely summarized information.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 05:42 PM
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3.  I think you should send this list to your representatives
in congress and to the media. Both politicians and "journalists" have no ability to be concise and get the point across, and the average citizen needs to understand this.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 05:44 PM
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4. Please consider this...
I believe I speak for many people, Republicans and Democrats, in America when I say:

We the people of the United States of America respectfully request the resignation of the following unless the treasonous port sale to the Emir of the U.A.E. is halted for the necessary time to have an open comprehensive investigation: 1) the President, 2) the Vice President, and 3) any secretaries appointed by the aforementioned whom may oversee national security operations.

All those in favor respond with yeah and why, and all those opposed say nay and why.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 05:46 PM
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5. Great first post!
Welcome to DU!
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 02:56 PM
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23. Hi originalpckelly!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 05:46 PM
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6. Add this while you are at it
UAE FIRM CITED AS KEY TO NUKE BLACK MARKET


"LONDON -- A Dubai-based company in the United Arab Emirates has been cited as the linchpin in the lucrative nuclear weapons black market that has supplied Iran, Libya and North Korea.

The United States and the International Atomic Energy Agency have determined that the UAE company served as the hub for the traffic of nuclear weapons components. Officials said the company coordinated with a range of nuclear suppliers for orders from such countries as Iran, Libya and North Korea.

The Bush administration identified the UAE firm as SMB Computers, a key element in the nuclear weapons black market operated by Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan. The company was found to have served as a clearinghouse for nuclear components ordered by Iran, Libya and North Korea..."

http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2004/april/04_29_3.html

That's just one source for this tid bit, there are others. Just google for them.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 05:49 PM
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8. The truth is I don't doubt that the government in Dubai
is trying to combat Terrorists. This isn't about insulting their good intentions. This is about basic common sense when the lives of millions of Americans are riding on the outcome. America should protect our own ports. Anything else is lunacy.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 07:57 PM
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15. Americans should have been having this conversation years ago
But the corporate media decided Americans didn't need to know all the details involved with corporate takeovers. This current fiasco was just a bidding war between corporations in Singapore and in Dubai. And shareholders made out like bandits.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=am4I_txvJ3rU&refer=home

P&O Agrees to Singapore Acquisition, Dropping Dubai (Update5)
Jan. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co., Britain's largest port operator, agreed to be acquired by Singapore's biggest port company for 3.55 billion pounds ($6.3 billion), rejecting a lower offer from Dubai.

PSA International Pte, owned by Singapore's state investment company Temasek Holdings Pte, bid 470 pence for each share, London- based P&O said in a statement. DP World, the port operator owned by Dubai, the United Arab Emirates, offered 443 pence on Nov. 29.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-bz.polondon28jan28,1,7770185.story?coll=bal-business-headlines

City port operator prefers new suitor
Associated Press
Originally published January 28, 2006
LONDON // British port operator Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Co., which runs Baltimore's public terminals, switched prospective suitors for the second time after Dubai Ports World raised its offer for the company to almost $7 billion, trumping an offer from Singapore's PSA International Ltd.

News of the bidding war sent P&O's shares up almost 5 percent yesterday.
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lostexpectation Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 05:48 PM
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7. 6) This all in context of Arabophobia.
7)Money comes before geography and nationality.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 05:55 PM
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9. "Bin Laden's operatives still using freewheeling Dubai"
This from USA Today 9/2/04:

"Bin Laden's operatives still using freewheeling Dubai
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP)

Osama bin Laden's operatives still use this freewheeling city as a logistical hub three years after more than half the Sept. 11 hijackers flew directly from Dubai to the United States in the final preparatory stages for the attack.
The recent arrest of an alleged top al-Qaeda combat coach is the latest sign that suspected members of the terrorist organization are among those who take advantage of travel rules that allow easy entry. Citizens of neighboring Gulf states such as Saudi Arabia can come to Dubai without visas, which other nationalities can get at the country's ports of entry.

Once here, it's easy to blend in to what has become a cosmopolitan crowd..."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-09-02-terror-dubai_x.htm

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:10 PM
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10. And the UAE financed BCCI
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 06:11 PM by lwfern
(BCCI of Iran-Contra fame)
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:17 PM
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11. don't forget the drug angle as well
see the DU homepage post which includes this snippet:

From the CIA web site (scroll to the bottom – it’s the last entry):

The UAE is a drug transshipment point for traffickers given its proximity to Southwest Asian drug producing countries; the UAE's position as a major financial center makes it vulnerable to money laundering...

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ae.ht...

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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:28 PM
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12. To be fair I suggest #6 maybe should be "UAE Company supported"
Unless we have proof that the UAE government actually supported it. It still shows the type of stuff that goes on in that country. Maybe we should do more digging on that Nuke story and see if there were government ties.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:51 PM
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13. Have a source or link for #4?
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 07:14 PM
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14. This link says three, not two
Pakistan, UAE and Saudi Arabia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:26 PM
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18. and from Time Magazine Sep. 18 2001
Is the Taliban the recognized government of Afghanistan? Do they have domestic opposition?

Only Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates recognize the Taliban as Afghanistan's government, and international recognition as a legitimate government remains the movement's most important foreign policy objective.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:00 AM
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22. Thanks guys..
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:20 PM
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16. So? What's wrong with that?
Your just being paranoid. Terrorists are actually nice people when you get to know them.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:21 PM
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17. Kicked and recommended! LOTS of good shorthand info here!
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 08:21 PM by calimary
BTW - about the 9/11 hijackers' point of origin -

15 from Saudi Arabia,
2 from UAE,
where'd the other two come from? Do I remember correctly that it's Egypt and Lebanon? Thanks for the help in advance...
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:26 AM
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28. BTW - I found it - the others WERE Egypt and Lebanon.
:D
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auburngrad82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 07:49 AM
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20. Also, only 5% of containers are searched
It would be oh so easy for a group to smuggle contraband in, especially when the managing company is from a country with a history of ties to terrorist organizations.



Liberal bumper stickers
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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:28 PM
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26. And remember...
"It would take just one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known."
--George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, January 28, 2003
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cyberia Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:32 AM
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21. Is this any worse than
COSCO, which is owned by the Chinese Peoples Liberation Army, running the port of Long Beach, California? I think the problem may be a bit larger than this one deal.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 04:21 PM
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25. Yes and Yes
We are rolling the dice with China too, that is for certain. But the big risk there is not as immediate on the near horizon. I think Dubai would do good port security work, and I assume China does also. But at some point in the future unforeseen circumstances could lead any nation to prioritize their interests over our own in a deal like this, and in an extreme case that could become the equivalent of leaking information to an enemy.

This deal has another complication though. Al Quada has a much stronger network in that region than they do here, in England, or in China. I don't think that a state owned Dubai company would now knowingly cooperate with Al Quada, but the chances for Al Quada infiltration there simply are much higher than they are here, or in China for that matter. They simply have more potential operatives in that area. The U.A.E. is tiny, and shares a peninsular with much larger Saudi Arabia and Yemen. It simply is not a wise place for the United States to park domestic National Security secrets.

But I fully support using this potential contract to look at the larger picture, and it is not only about Arabs. It is about outsourcing our security and whether or not that fundamentally is a good idea. We were lulled into a false sense of security while British companies were involved because America's relationship to the UK is uniquely close compared to our relations with all other nations.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 03:29 PM
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24. does anything from this thread help?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=491222


2001: U.A.E. companies act as intermediaries in the partial delivery of fiber-optic and military communications contracts from South Korea to Iraq, according to the I.S.G.

2001: Dubai's Ports, Customs & Free Zone Corporation is established to take over customs operations from the Dubai Ports Authority and Jebel Ali Free Zone Authority.

June 2001: Bef Corp. allegedly exports photo finishing equipment to SK of Dubai, which transships the equipment to Iran, in violation of U.S. sanctions.

September 2001: The U.A.E.'s Advance Technical Systems purchases $16,000 of military radar components from the U.S. and transships them to Pakistan after declaring that they were for the Bangladeshi Air Force. Following guilty pleas delivered in June 2003 for the illegal export of parts for howitzers, radars and armored personnel carriers, two U.S. citizens and one Pakistani are imprisoned.

October 2001: A U.A.E.-based firm acts as an intermediary to facilitate the trade in ballistic missile-related goods from China to Iraq, according to the I.S.G.

May 2002: The German government warns its exporters that since 1998 Iraq has been increasingly engaging in procurement activities through Dubai. Germany believes that North Korea has also increased its operations in Dubai.

August 2002: The U.S. firm Mercator, Inc. agrees a $30,000 settlement with the U.S. Department of Commerce, which had alleged that Mercator had exported chemicals to Dubai with the knowledge that they would be re-exported to Iran without prior authorization.

December 2002: The U.S. Navy accuses Dubai's Naif Marine Services of smuggling to Iraq polymers that could be used to manufacture explosives.

2003: Ajman Port, which is adjacent to Ajman Free Zone, now serves over 1,000 ships a year.

January 2003: Spare parts for Mirage F-1 aircraft and Gazelle attack helicopters are transferred to Iraq. U.S. intelligence reportedly believes that parts were purchased from France by Dubai's Al Tamoor Trading Co., and then smuggled to Iraq through at third country, reportedly Turkey.

May 2003 - February 2004: U.A.E.-based Diamond Technology LLC and its managing director Mohammad Farahbakhsh allegedly export a U.S. satellite communications system to Iran without the required license.

June 2003: 311 companies attend the third U.A.E. Trade Exhibition in Iran. Trade with Iran exchanged through Dubai's ports was 12 billion dirhams in 2001, an increase from 4.3 billion in 1997.

October 2003: 66 triggered spark gaps, which can be used to detonate nuclear weapons, are shipped without the required license from the United States to Top-Cape Technology in South Africa. They are subsequently transshipped via Dubai to AJMC Lithographic Aid Society in Pakistan. In 2004 Asher Karni, an Israeli living in South Africa, pleads guilty to conspiring to export controlled commodities to Pakistan without validated export licenses. In 2005 the U.S. indicts Humayun Khan of the Pakistani company Pakland PME for violating export restrictions and being the ultimate purchaser.

October 2003: Five containers of centrifuge components, sent by B.S.A. Tahir and shipped through Dubai, are seized en route to Libya. The items are part of four shipments made by Malaysia's Scomi Precision Engineering (SCOPE) between 2002 and 2003 to Dubai's Aryash Trading Company. One of the four consignments lists the addressee as Gulf Technical Industries, but is diverted to Desert Electrical Equipment Factory, also based in Dubai.

October 2003: According to B.S.A. Tahir, the BBC China, the ship carrying the seized centrifuge components, was also transporting an aluminum casting and dynamo for Libya's centrifuge workshop. The consignment was allegedly sent via Dubai by TUT Shipping on behalf of Gunas Jireh of Turkey.

October 2003: Two weeks after the seizure of the centrifuge components, B.S.A. Tahir arranges the transshipment to Libya, via Dubai, of an electrical cabinet and power supplier-voltage regulator on behalf of Selim Alguadis, an associate of A.Q. Khan.

December 2003: Hamid Fathaloloomy, principal of Dubai's Akeed Trading Company, allegedly attempts to export U.S. pressure sensors to Iran.

2004: Over 400 companies are operating in the Ras Al Khaimah Free Trade Zone, 38% of which are Indian.

2004: Dubai Ports Authority's capacity passes six million TEU.

April 2004: The U.A.E. freezes the accounts of SMB Computers as part of its investigation into B.S.A. Tahir, who is the Group Managing Director.

April 2004: Elmstone Service and Trading FZE is sanctioned for two years by the United States for transferring to Iran equipment and/or technology of proliferation significance since 1999.

June 2004: 1383 companies are operating in SAIF-Zone.

August 2004: The U.S. indicts Khalid Mahmood, of Dubai, for breaking the U.S. embargo to Iran. Mahmood allegedly attempted to arrange the sale of forklift radiators from the U.S. to Iran, by concealing the final destination in the sale.

September 2004: The I.S.G. lists 20 U.A.E. firms that are suspected of having acted as intermediaries or front companies for Saddam Hussein's Iraq, and says that the U.A.E. was a transit location for prohibited goods, with companies using deceptive trade practices. The I.S.G. also concludes that the U.A.E. and Iran were the most frequent destinations for Iraqi smuggled oil and owned the majority of smuggling vessels involved.

December 2004: The U.A.E. agrees to join the U.S.' Container Security Initiative (C.S.I.), becoming the first country in the Middle East to do so. U.S. customs officials will be stationed in Dubai to help target and screen suspect cargo bound for the United States.

2005: More than 300 Iranian companies are known to have operated in Dubai's Jebel Ali Free Zone.

2005: Over 300 companies operate in the Fujairah Free Zone.

2005: Dubai is the sixth largest port in the world for container traffic.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 06:01 PM
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27. Kick!
:toast:
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 10:53 AM
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29. UAE
I thought I heard that the UAE doesn't recognize Israel.


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