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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:04 PM
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Shouldn't we be discussing NATIONALIZING US Port operations?
Has any Democrat mentioned the "N" word yet? Schumer, Hillary or whomever other Democrats who have had losta to say about this?

I mean, shouldn't we be running our own ports? :shrug:
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:06 PM
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1. You'd think so, huh?
But that would make too much sense.

:eyes:
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:06 PM
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2. It Would Employ Citizens Too
Free Marketers are greedy treasonous door knobs that need a severe turn...
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:08 PM
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3. Soooo do you mean that 9/11
didn't change a god-doggone thing? :sarcasm:
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:13 PM
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9. We Are Less Safe Now
Looks like 9-11 taught our government nothing at all.... and I wonder.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:15 PM
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11. I think that "9/11 changed everything" is just a slogan.....
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 08:19 PM by FrenchieCat
cause in the end 9/11 only made a difference when this administration conveniently wants to do something it know it's not supposed to; like curb our liberties by spying and wiretapping, starting wars that we didn't have to fight, etc., etc., etc....
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:18 PM
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12. Absolutely... One Big Scam
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4morewars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:09 PM
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4. YES !
And the oil industry and health care as well.
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java-fiend Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:10 PM
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6. why stop there?
ports, oil, healthcare, transportation, agriculture, mining...

Hey wait, isn't there a word for that system?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:13 PM
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10. You mean Socialism?
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 08:28 PM by FrenchieCat
:scared:
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 11:37 PM
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17. Even better, just let a nationalized company from another country buy it!
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 12:01 AM by flaminbats
YES..if a company run by a foreign government owns our ports...at least that ain't communism! :grr:

besides..why do anything for the benefit of the taxpayers? It would be stupid for our government to buy American ports, then lease those ports out..rather than sell them, and use the money paid by those running our ports to reduce deficit spending or to actually pay for this expensive war in Iraq! Ohh well, at least we're doing what is logical, selling our ports for a cheap price..;)
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:05 PM
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22. Hi java-fiend!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:10 PM
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7. oooh......that's true, but we may need to sell a little bit at the time
doncha think? Strategically, I mean.

Seems like this would be a good one to start with though, that's for sure.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:09 PM
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5. Yeah, but once you start, you just can't stop.
We might think of nationalizing health care. And the energy industry.

Who knows where it would end?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:12 PM
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8. but this is in reference to our National Security.....
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 08:24 PM by FrenchieCat
Everything in moderation is ok....right?

I mean if they are gonna read emails, listen to phone calls, get banks and doctors to provide them with a citizen's info...and pne can still be jailed without seeing an attorney for 3.5 years for being "suspected" of terrorism.....shouldn't we be able to discuss nationalizing an area of our national defense that seems to be one of our achilles heels?

What's Hillary and Schumer's suggestion for solving this issue that has caused them to be so outraged?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:05 PM
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15. Healthy citizens are vital to our national security.
Energy is vital to our national security.

Clearly we have a lot to do.

I'm not feeling very secure right now.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:26 PM
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13. So now somebody is going to ram a tanker into
the wh.... I can see it now... they probably wouldn't pitch too much of a fit if they could collect the oil... maybe... maybe not.
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Sal316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:41 PM
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14. Isn't that what happened with Airport Security?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the screeners get 'nationalized'?

I remember this being an issue, but I don't remember how it turned out.

BTW... I agree with nationalizing port operations.
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:11 PM
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16. Nationalizing US Ports
Would mean federalizing the docks. Federalizing the docks would result in a union busting measure. Both the ILA and ILWU would end up just like the Air Traffic Controllers Union.



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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 11:50 PM
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18. Excellent question!
In my opinion.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 11:52 PM
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19. To me, the ports are like the beaches
A "commons" that it is in our national interest to operate and monitor by the people. It doesn't HAVE to be Feds- it could just as easily be State or municipal, but someone should have realized this if they were really serious about "securing the homeland".

Which they weren't. This administration is always about money, and how to exploit the fear of terrorism for profit.
This is just the latest in an unbelievably foolish moves by these incompetent bozos.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 11:54 PM
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20. the notion that they should be sold at all is NUTS!
ports?

those need to be under public control, some of it local
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:54 AM
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21. I'll tell you something.....
I'm sure that the average American thought that if nothing else, an issue like port operations and management would be under the guidance of the Transportation department and ran by them by contracting out/leasing the operations to AMERICAN companies.

That's why "talking" about nationalization ain't such a bad idea. We may not all agree, but ain't nothing wrong about discussing it. Better than talking about DISCRIMINATING as to which FOREIGN COMPANY is gonna OWN AND RUN OUR PORTS.
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