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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:21 PM
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Alterman on Huff Post re potential Gore comeback in 2008.
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 09:25 PM by Pirate Smile
Eric Alterman mentions this on his diary on Huff Post. He links to them. I'll post a little because, even though they are sleezballs, the possible 2008 Gore comeback interests me.

"Sleazeballs for Gore? Interesting: From "The Note:"

G.O.P. operative Roger Stone writes in the New York Observer about the "uncanny parallels" between Al Gore in 2008 and Richard Nixon 40 years earlier. LINK http://www.observer.com/printpage.asp?iid=12404&ic=Wise+Guys

His touting of global warming over the last years, Sen. Clinton's position on the war in Iraq, and the popular perception that he was "robbed" of the White House, might just be what it takes for Al Gore to make another go of it, writes Dick Morris in his column in The Hill. LINK http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Comment/DickMorris/022206.html"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-alterman/can-you-say-permanent-ba_b_16190.html

Stone in NY Observer:

"Nixon’s ’68 Comeback
Offers Clues for Gore


By: Roger J. Stone Jr.
Date: 2/27/2006
Page: 5

Several weeks ago, former Vice President Al Gore told the Associated Press that he “had no plans to seek the Presidency in 2008.” His words were eerily reminiscent of a quote from another former Vice President, Richard Nixon, who told the same Associated Press in November of 1965 that he “had no plans to seek the Presidency in 1968.”
Many years later, in 1992, I chatted with Nixon in his Saddle River, N.J., home. He told me that “no man who narrowly misses the brass ring ever stops dreaming of another shot at it.” If Nixon was right, Mr. Gore may be positioning himself to be the one Democrat who can defeat Hillary Rodham Clinton in the 2008 Presidential primaries.

-snip-
Nixon’s book Six Crises was a cathartic exercise that Nixon wrote after he lost the 1960 Presidential election—one that maintained his place on the national stage. Mr. Gore’s new documentary on global warming, An Inconvenient Truth, thrusts him back to the center of the political life.

Like Mr. Gore, Nixon lost a Presidential election in a photo finish, and many felt the Presidency was stolen from him. Later, both men withdrew gracefully when further challenge to the result was fruitless. The grace with which each withdrew and accepted defeat was considered an act of statesmanship amid partisan furor.
Both men also chose to sit out the next Presidential race, fearing they could not win—but both made important endorsements that year. Nixon made 141 campaign appearances for the Barry Goldwater–William Miller ticket (more than Goldwater himself). His strong endorsement earned Nixon a conservative base that proved vital for his nomination and election four years later.

Mr. Gore’s early endorsement of Howard Dean in the 2004 primaries earned him a new and growing anti-war constituency. Despite Dr. Dean’s collapse as a candidate and his weekly gaffes as the Democratic National Committee chairman, one fact remains clear: Mr. Gore was an early and articulate critic of the war in Iraq and supported the most anti-war candidate in 2004. He has since made notable speeches questioning the war, becoming the darling of the MoveOn.com crowd, and is now best positioned to be the “peace” candidate in 2008."'

and

The toe-sucker:

"Look out, here comes Al

Like a completely refurbished “pre-owned vehicle,” Al Gore seems to be positioning himself to Hillary Clinton’s left and as greener than John Kerry for a run at the 2008 Democratic nomination for president. His slogan might well read “reelect Al Gore.”

The former vice president’s slashing attacks on the administration and his stalwart, if misguided, opposition to the Iraq war leave him without the complications and complexes that will devil Clinton as she seeks to appeal to the unforgiving left of the Democratic Party.

And Gore may be a man whose time has come in his party. It was he who warned of climate change and predicted its consequences. Hurricane Katrina was just a fulfillment of the prophesies Gore wrote about in his late-1980s book Earth in the Balance. He has been an energy-conservation nut for years, and his obsessions with alternatives to oil will play better and better as we come to realize how our addiction to oil has led us to dependency on the dealers of this particular drug — Iran, the Saudi royal family and Hugo Chavez.

-snip-
History indicates that candidates who won the popular vote but lost in the Electoral College have all come back to win revenge in subsequent elections. Andrew Jackson, cheated in 1824, won in 1828. Grover Cleveland, cheated in 1888, triumphed in 1892. Samuel Tilden, who won the popular vote in 1876, never ran again, but he dealt away the White House in a deal for the withdrawal for federal troops from the South, allowing the Ku Klux Klan to take over. (By the way, for a great history of how this era kindled the racism we have lived with since, read Eric Foner’s new book, Forever Free.)"

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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:38 PM
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1. I personally would love to see President elected Gore seated.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 11:50 AM
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30. I'm pining for a Gore/Edwards ticket...
just think of it - they have been out of the political spotlight now for a few years so any of the current shit that's slinging right now can't touch them....
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Admiral Loinpresser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:33 PM
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40. Two southerners, just like '92,
has a real appeal. Also, Edwards would re-inforce Gore's populist message. And Edwards is a great stumper.

Finally, Edwards has renounced his vote for invasion, so there wouldn't be any awkward clash in policy. That would be a winner and would position Edwards to run for prez later with a solid resume.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:29 PM
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73. Edwards is NOT a great stumper!
It's easy to repeat the same speech over and over and over again!

Geesch.
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Admiral Loinpresser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:40 PM
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76. It may be easy to give a stump speech,
but it is also standard operating procedure in presidential politics. I'm not aware of anyone who doesn't. The art is to connect with the audience and Edwards does it quite well, IMO. He certainly did when he came to my town.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:28 PM
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72. Oh, please no.
But it might be nice to go back to the days when the vice president was fluff.

:eyes:
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:42 PM
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2. I think the GOP is afraid he will. In the Hannity/Coulter/Huffington clip
Hannity kept referring to Gore as the leader of the Democratic party and trying to paint him as a leftwing extremist.

I would work my butt off to reelect President Gore. But first -- 2006 midterms!!
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:45 PM
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3. Re-Elect Gore: I love it!
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:55 PM
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80. Now THAT is a Bumper Sticker! n/t
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:46 PM
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4. Oh Yes! Oh baby! Do it Mr. Gore!
Please.
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:53 PM
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5. Note to President Gore....please make next speech about DIEBOLD
and the other crooked companies. Otherwise, you're best to sit the next one out too. :-(
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 09:24 AM
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22. A speech about diebold,
that would be a great place to start, but then right to the NSA spying business. All potential candidates should be front and center about these issues. I don't recall if Bill Clinton helped rescue the people of NOLA like Al Gore did?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 10:08 AM
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25. You want a speech from Gore about the NSA spying? Here's one:
http://libertyspeeches.org/

Perhaps you missed this one when he gave it?
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:01 PM
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6. The 2000 Gore was ok -- the 2006 Gore? Forget it.
I don't know why Gore is going out of his way to ingratiate himself with the very people who deep-sixed his candidacy in 2000 by supporting Ralph Nader. I supported Gore in 2000, both financially and with my vote. But I have no interest in supporting Gore next time around.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:49 PM
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51. Do you think Gore's policies have changed radically since 2000?
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 05:50 PM by karynnj
I really don't think they have. The biggest difference is that Gore has expressed very truthfully and forcefully his revolsion for Bush's acts that deserve comntempt. The Iraq war and eliminating our civil rights is pretty major.

I prefer Kerry, but if forces coalese around Gore as the stop Hillary candidate I would support him if Kerry weren't an option. I would not say this about Edwards or Warner.

As you don't like Kerry or Gore, who could you support?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 11:29 PM
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67. He's a lot different now publically
He's a better public speaker now days and I think he will do a better campaign as well.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:05 PM
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7. The Wingnuts Will Love It
That speech he gave in Saudi Arabia recently really sent them over the moon. They'll exploit it for all that it's worth.

As much as I'd like to see Gore run and win legitimately this time (no Diebold monkey business), I'm afraid that he just screwed up his chances with that speech. Then again, I could be wrong.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:17 PM
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8. Well, in a couple of years what he said may not be a very big deal.
He may look prescient once again.

Plus, remember everybody thought Ronald Reagan was way too conservative and could never be elected. We know how that turned out.

I was also worried he damaged his chances, and maybe he has, but there is a lot of time.

The movie hasn't even come out nationally yet. That is going to be huge.
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Admiral Loinpresser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:26 PM
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39. As to the comment about Arabs,
what he said is true. Also it was in response to a question, I believe. Of course, truth isn't much of a defense in presidential politics, but on the other hand he has great foreign policy credentials.

He voted for the first Gulf War in the Senate (the one the world supported!), so it is hard to label him an ideological dove.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:35 PM
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9. The linked article is really strange
Much as I could see Gore running again and being a viable candidate, his view of how to do it is really really strange.
1) Creating a "new" Gore is what is NOT needed - Gore simply needs to be the self he genuinely is without worrying about it.
2) The recreation of 1968 he describes seems almost a bizzare version of 1968/1972 - and doesn't signal a Democratic win. (but what do you expect from a dirty trickster.

Little annoyances - his comment that Kerry never won the anti-war people from Nadar is utterly inconsistent with the numbers.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:39 PM
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10. It is '60 to '68. Nixon lost in 1960 to Kennedy but won in 1968.
The Kerry comment is stupid, as was one of the articles that said Gore was wrong on Iraq but his stance would help him. I think he has been proven right to be against the Iraq War from the beginning.

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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 11:07 PM
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14. It's a false comparison
The country changed considerably between 1960 and 1968, and in ways that greatly helped Nixon. It wasn't just the Lyndon Johnson's war was unpopular. I would argue that more than the Vietnam War itself, it was the protests, and the counterculture movement generally, that helped propel Richard Nixon to the White House. A lot of people, including many who wanted the war to end, were simply repulsed by the hippie war protesters. These people saw the country spinning out of control and a Democratic administration incapable or unwilling to do anything about it. A lot of these people voted for Wallace, but enough voted for Nixon in 1968 to provide the margin of victory, and nearly all of these people ended up supporting Nixon in 1972.

Bush's war may be unpopular, but apart from a relative handful of conservative libertarians, I don't see the more socially conservative voters whose depature from the Democratic Party led to a new Republican majority switching back because of Iraq -- not least of all because the most strident critics of the Iraq War are just the type of people who made them Republicans to begin with.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 11:12 PM
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15. I don't see the social conservatives switching. The socially moderate,
libertarian-leaning, old-style Republican types are the ones that should be running from the Republican Party.

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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 11:38 PM
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17. They have been
NT
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #14
78. Are you the only DU'er
besides me that recognizes changes in the political climate due to world events plays a part in elections? Nice post, I agree.

So many other posts here at DU seem to say that liberal Dems need to just believe harder "have a spine" in what they want and everything will be better. What a sorry losing strategy. Like voters don't know what they believe in and will just hitch up to a strong spined Dem.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:49 PM
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43. Kerry got their votes but not their "hearts and minds." It was an "ABB"
election for those of us who didn't support the Iraq Invasion. Most of us were supporting Kucinich but switched to Kerry to keep party unity to get Bush out. So the statement in the article is "technically correct." Just not accurate.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:41 PM
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50. I was one of "us"
I went to protest rallies in DC and NYC in early 2003. I saw Kerry's editorials and took his position for what it was - He was not pro-war.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 07:49 PM
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59. would you agree that like Edwards...he adopted a "pro-war" position.
:shrug: to win and not seem like "a wimp."
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:14 PM
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70. I think he reached a lot more people that you think. Kerry still maintains
a lot of support. I think your opinion is in the minority.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:43 PM
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11. we should be so lucky
if Al Gore threw his hat in the ring.

He has evolved into an unapologetic, take-no-prisoners candidate. I would be THRILLED if he ran again.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:07 AM
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18. Ahh, lookie here - a Feb 2006 poll of Dem Primary candidates including
Gore. Too early to really mean anything but, what the hell.

WNBC/Marist Poll.
"If the 2008 Democratic presidential primary were held today, whom would you support if the candidates are ?"

2/13-15/06
Hillary Clinton 33
Al Gore 17
John Edwards 16
John Kerry 11
Joe Biden 4
Wesley Clark 3
Evan Bayh 3
Mark Warner 2
Bill Richardson 2
Tom Vilsack -
Unsure 9

http://www.pollingreport.com/WH08dem.htm
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 06:04 PM
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55. Here's another taken in the same time frame - similar moe
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 06:05 PM by karynnj
CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. Feb. 9-12, 2006. N=429 Democrats and Democratic leaners nationwide who are registered to vote. MoE ± 5

%
Hillary Rodham Clinton 39

John Kerry 15

Al Gore 13

John Edwards 12

Mark Warner 5

Joe Biden 5

Russ Feingold (vol.) 1

Someone else 3

None (vol.) 3

All/Any (vol.) 1

Unsure 4

http://www.pollingreport.com/WH08dem.htm

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 06:09 PM
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56. From the same website - my candidate for the strangest results
Zogby America Poll. Dec. 6-8, 2005. N=1,013 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.1.

.

"If the Democratic primary for president were held today, for whom would you vote: ?" Asked of potential Democratic primary voters

.

%
Hillary Clinton 26

John Edwards 12

Joe Lieberman 10

John Kerry 9

Barack Obama 7

Joe Biden 3

Wesley Clark 3

Bill Richardson 3

Mark Warner 1

Evan Bayh 1

Tim Kaine 1

Someone else 6

Won't vote/Unsure 19

I had to check the year when I saw JOE LIEBERMAN as third, Obama getting 7 was pretty strange too.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #56
60. Good Lord! I bet those are part of the 20% of Dems who would
vote for McCain over Hillary according to an ARG poll discussed in this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2477587&mesg_id=2477587
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:49 AM
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21. Me too...
.. and not only that, but America will READY for an Al Gore after 8 years of the DictatorTot.
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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 10:49 PM
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12. not only that....
but the Rove smears only work on fresh meat. Trying to smear someone who has already been smeared will have a "been there, done that" feel and would actually hurt the Repubs. I'm for Gore 08 all the way.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 11:03 PM
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13. I like Al,
It would make an interesting primary. I think it's his for the taking. He won once already. he has learned that handlers are only advisors, not managers. He doesn't have the milstones around his neck. I think he's the best we got. But then I like most of the others, too especially Dean.Hillary is not to be trusted, but better than any puke.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #13
20. The Primaries are going to be crazy. Both the Dem and the Repub
since it is wide open although I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans settle on someone before it gets to that point. They have to have an anointed candidate or else their brains can't take it.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 11:19 PM
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16. I think he would be the strongest possible candidate
Putting aside all issues of ideology or personal preference -- it is hard for me to imagine an argument as to why he would not be the strongest possible candidate
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Corey_Baker08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:55 AM
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19. WOW This made me Think of a Gore/Clinton Ticket in 2008
Which Actually seems a bit interesting. Al has obviously worked with Hillary before and he is the one guy who can stop her Presidential aspirations in the primary but I could see him offering her the VP slot just as her husband did for him in 1992.

This I am almost sure of would be an unstoppable ticket
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #19
23. Hey, hi, are you the same Corey that was posting on the Kerry forum
for a long time. If you are it is nice to hear from you again, it's been a while. Can't say I agree with your choices now,especially Hillary, but it is nice to see you back at DU.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 09:44 AM
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24. GORE/KERRY '08!!!!
i want to see both rightful Presidents in the White House at one time. How much would that effin rule?
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:02 PM
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46. Although I am focused on 2006,
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 02:07 PM by politicasista
Me likes that ticket. :)
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:44 PM
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62. Hi, politicasista! I like your mantra - 2006, 2006, 2006.
I can multitask and occasionally peek at the 2008 crap-shoot but I agree with your 2006 focus.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. Hi Pirate Smile!
Thanks. :hi:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 03:00 AM
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69. Co-Presidents.....it'll take 2 to fix all the damage these criminals have
wrought on this country. One to deal with our international problems, the other to deal with the internal problems. I like Al to deal with the environmental, international issues and Kerry to run another BCCI investigation on the crooks and their terrorist bankers.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 10:09 AM
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26. put up the bat, al.
take no prisoners. i am ready.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 10:10 AM
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27. Dick Morris suggests we buy an Eric Foner book?!
Wow....are we through the looking glass yet?! :shock:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 10:15 AM
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28. Ooooooh. I like the thought. I'd vote for him...in a heartbeat. n/t
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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 10:50 AM
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29. You and me both! I'd work to get out the vote! n/t
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:35 PM
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31. BS comparison between 1960 and 2000 elections...
Nixon was not robbed. Even if you accept that Illinois was stolen, the addition of that state to Nixon's total would not have given him the election

Second, I would discount as bullshit anything Morris has to say!!!
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. Actually, there are many Republicans who believe 1960 was stolen
To this day. I have met a number of them in my travels.

So even though there is no parallel in fact, there is a parallel in the emotional response of the grassroots.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:00 PM
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36. The allegations aren't limited to Illinois...
...West Virginia also figures heavily.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:47 PM
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32. www.algore.org
If you like Gore, then you will want to see this site: www.algore.org :)
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Admiral Loinpresser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:23 PM
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38. I can vouch for algore-08.com...
I checked out your link, but couldn't find out who is running it.

As to algore-08.com, the chair of that group is Dylan Malone, who is a personal friend of Gore.
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Admiral Loinpresser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 03:15 PM
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48. Whoops,
same site, different address.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:49 PM
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33. I got nothing to add except - - RUN, MR. PRESIDENT - - RUN!!
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:55 PM
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53. A beautiful picture
Fills me with joy ... and sadness for what should have been ...

And makes me determined to continue the fight! :)
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:57 PM
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35. Thanks for the thread Pirate Smile,
I believe as in the case of Roger Stone and Dick Morris, even a blind hog can root up an acorn every now and then. Borrowing and mangling Thomas Jefferson's words, It is so self evident to me, Al Gore is the best Presidential Candidate to come down the pike in decades if not ever. While a Gore Presidency in 2000 would have been Mount Everest, we have been mucking around here in Death Valley so long even Morris and Stone can see the writing on the wall. The nation and the planet need Al Gore now more than ever!

Kicked and recommended!

:kick:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:12 PM
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37. The parallels are interesting and as much as the media loves to tear
people down, everyone loves a good comeback too.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:34 PM
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41. I totally agree,
and I cannot think of anyone more deserving than Al Gore.
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Bryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:43 PM
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42. People don't seem to be reading this article carefully
Roger Stone and Dick Morris? Qui bono? Why are GOP shills suddenly interested in presenting Gore as an '08 candidate? It's suspicious.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:57 PM
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45. To drum up support for Hillary. It's a Rovian "switcheroo." Also to
make sure the attacks continue on Gore to tarnish him so that we who support him give up all hope.

They are slimes.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:09 PM
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47. Just speculating here,
but this may be related to the Freeper Heads exploding threads after the Bush administration allowed our ports to be managed by a foreign Government with what seems on the surface as some minor connections to Al Qaueda. This decision by the Bush administration bolsters Al Gore's premise in his M.L.K. day speech that the Bush administration is using fear to enable them selves to trash our constitution, by eavesdropping on Americans with out a warrant, committing torture, etc. I believe by allowing the United Arab Emirates to manage our ports, Bush has sabotaged his own fear argument.

The end result is that even moderate to actual conservative Republicans now see Bush for what he is, and this picture only makes Al Gore look better, as the main antagonist to Bush. I imagine, they must be suspect, even of their own party after Republican "leadership" enabled such incompetent corrupt people in to power.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:54 PM
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52. Excellent point
I didn't catch Morris' name, but Roger Stone is a Republican dirty trickster from way back. Is your view that pushing Gore would further split hillary's opposition?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:55 PM
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44. After the carnage of the next few Bush years, Gore will look like a savior
I think most Americans will be so sick of the corruption in DC and so ravaged by Bush's dismantling of our social system...and so tired of his endless wars (we will be in WWIII by '08) that Gore will be seen as a "person with experience" who turned his back on it but is needed in a time of CRISIS and DESPERATION.

I can't think of anyone else I could vote for at this point. And, I was very angry with Gore for years after the 2000 Selection. But, I've seen him grow and distance himself from this Corruption...and until I see something that ties him to it....I'm hoping with all my heart he will be drafted to run. I don't think he will unless he's drafted. The Party Machine will try to keep him out and go with the "standby's" who are part of the problem.

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:26 PM
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71. Gore couldn't even win his home state in 2000. He is already being
singled out for the "kooky" treatment by the media. His speeches are refered to as rants and raves and radical. And, he has been out of the political loop for six years now. I don't know, this seems like a long shot to me.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:31 PM
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49. Puh-leeeeeeasssssseeee! COME! NOW! SOON! I'LL HOLD YOUR
COAT!
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:55 PM
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54. Unrelated, but...
...love the picture in your sig :-). Angel indeed.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 07:20 PM
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57. thank you. that's my baby, Tippy, truest and most pure soul that
ever lived.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 07:32 PM
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58. I joined DU in 2002 and I've only had three Avatars...My new one is GORE
and I just believe he will be the candidate I could support in '08!

I actually met him at a book signing here in NC...with him and Tipper who had their "Photography Book" two years after the 2000 Fiasco.

What struck me about their appearance at my small NC Bookstore FEATURE of their book was ...that they were so much like ME and folks I Know...and I think that Al and Tipper have the same appeal as Elizabeth and John Edwards.

They are REAL FOLKS.....REAL FOLKS....We need to remember this and think about it.

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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:38 PM
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61. thanks for this thread
:kick:r
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 09:42 PM
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64. A Sense of Calm
comes over me - when I think is a possibility.
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PBass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 11:23 PM
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65. Roger Stone is a long-time Right Wing black bag operative. Please,
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 11:24 PM by PBass
don't ever let the GOP tell you who your candidates should be. Read up on Roger Stone, then decide if you want to listen to his opinion on our party.

I didn't realize the Dems only had a couple of suitable presidential candidates, in the entire party... are we that hard up, that we need to go back in time? Why not Dukakis then?

I like Al Gore fine but I think we should be looking forward. And by the way, I'm not a big fan of Tipper Gore (due to her PMRC nonsense).

I also hope if Hillary runs, that she runs as VP candidate, and not at the top of the ticket.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 11:48 PM
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68. Stone also ran Al Sharpton's presidential campaign.
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0405,barrett,50745,1.html

Why not Dukakis? Because he didn't WIN. Gore did.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:30 PM
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74. Whaaaaaaa??
I don't need no stinking GOP'er to tell me anything, nor would I listen to a republican.

I would love for Al Gore to run. I admire him, he's smart and has grown some mighty big cajones since 2000.

As for Tipper - let it go. Labeling for explicit music releases would have happened without her. It was just a matter of time - I was a marketing director for several mega record stores back then. Parents were in a tizzy and were demanding money back once they caught wind of the lyrics. The kids at the cash registers were tired of adults yelling at them, and the lyrics back then were tame to what they are now.

Hillary - she's okay, except she voted for this shitty war and continues to defend her vote, which IMO pales in comparison to what Tipper Gore did. Tipper was not a factor in 2000 - I think Hillary would be a lot more controversial in 08 than Tipper was in 00.

Who ever runs in 08 I will vote for.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 11:28 PM
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66. It would be cool
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:55 PM
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75. Gore would have 110% of my support!
I personally don't care one way or another who he would chose as a running mate either. Let's reelect AL!
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 11:02 PM
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81. "not to brite?"
:eyes:
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Isere Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:49 PM
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79. I would consider myself
in Nirvana if Gore ran in '08.

Please, Al.

This is your calling.

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napsi Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 12:45 AM
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82. Please no............
Gore couldn't win in his own state of Tennesee. If he had...we wouldn't have Chimpboy. We need new blood and I'm hoping Wesley Clark can pull it off. He can appeal to the dems and the fence sitters. That's what we need...someone who can appeal to the fence sitters....they will determine who is the next President.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 12:52 AM
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83. I respectfully disagree. It's too early n/t.
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