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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 11:28 PM
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Duckworth endorsement draws flame war, Cegelis endorsement respected. . .
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 11:30 PM by wndycty
You will notice tonight there is a thread in which Duckworth's endorsement by Emily's list is posted and it has become a flamewar (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2475426)with the usual suspects (minus me), and there is a Cegelis endorsement by PDA and respect is paid no flame war (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2475213). Very telling. Supporters of one candidate can't wait to bash, while supporters of the other candidate will let the other campaign enjoy its good will. Very very telling. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 07:59 AM
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1. Thursday AM kick!
:kick:
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:03 AM
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2. Notice the cheapass, dishonest slurs against Emily's List
You will recall previous posts on the subject drew lies about Duckworth's positions on issues and cheap slurs against Duckworth herself (I recall the phrase "legless pity puppet") from Cegelis supporters.

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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:11 AM
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3. And imagine. . .Duckworth supporters respect PDA's endorsement of . . .
. . .Cegelis. Says quite a little bit about character, doesn't it? I respect PDA and respect their endorsement of Cegelis, its their choice. Don't expect any PDA bashing from me just because I support a different candidate.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:22 AM
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4. Exactly so...
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 09:36 AM
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5. Sounds like you're begging for a flamewar here
Just bemused; I don't have a dog in this fight.

:popcorn:
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 09:48 AM
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6. Maybe, but if you look at the two threads. . .
. . .you will notice that supporters of one candidate take every opportunity to bash the other candidate, question her motivation for entering the race. Question the progressive credentials of anyone who supports her, make up shit and just flame away. While supporters of the other candidate have pointed out their concerns about her opponent's electability but not really attacked her, made shit up or questioned the progressive credentials of her supporters.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 10:04 AM
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7. Some examples from the Emily's list thread. . .
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:32 PM
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13. Thanks for referring to my post again.
I still stand by it. I believe this is flamebait, meant to call out me and a couple of others out for disagreeing on party strategy.

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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:48 PM
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14. You can believe what you want but I was pointing out the difference
. . .in attitudes towards candidates and their backers. One group has an attitude of how dare candidate "A" run. How dare people back candidate "A." How dare organization "B" endorse candidate "A." Its really funny and rather immature. Let the best candidates win in the primaries. I feel that any candidate that has the backing of insiders wins there is a certain segment of the DU population that stands ready to taint him or her.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:50 PM
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15. I do NOT stand ready to "taint" candidates. I do not do that.
I very much resent your saying that. You referred to my post, so I assume you are saying I taint....no, I question.

I think you many be right...let the best candidates win in the primaries. And let the party leaders butt out.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:57 PM
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16. If Duckworth wins will you accept it outright?
Or will be viewing it as a defeat for the grassroots? You do know that the grassroots does not speak with one voice. Some of us (I consider myself a grassrooter) back Duckworth.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:13 PM
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17. Don't you EVEN whine about calling anyone out
After your shameful display in that other thread. Fucking spare me the hypocrisy.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:17 PM
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18. I have your message. You make it clear.
I am sorry it has to be this way. As I say, I will be on guard.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:21 PM
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19. Why be on guard?
That is what I don't get. There is no need to be on guard.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 11:45 AM
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8. Minor correction: DFA, not PDA
PDA has indeed endorsed Cegelis. But yesterday's news was that DFA has also endorsed Cegelis. The flame free thread you link to is about DFA endorsement, not the PDA endorsement. It might appear that your post is itself as bash of supporters of one candidate.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 11:56 AM
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9. If certain behavior warrants bashing so be it. . .
. . .we are all responsible for our actions right?
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:05 PM
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10. you bet
For what is worth, the thread that actually related to PDA's call to action on behalf of Cegelis was indeed a huge flame fest . . .
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2367394

You do make an interesting observation regarding the DFA endorsement. I'm not sure why the anti-Cegelis folks are staying away from the Democracy for America Cegelis endorsement thread. Maybe they want DFA endorsement to sink like a rock so they don't acknowledge it. Perhaps they are more comfortable bashing PDA than DFA. Or starting other threads entirely.

Here is the e-mail I received from Jim Dean of DFA . . .

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Four Women Who Can Win
From: "Jim Dean, Democracy for America"
Date: Wed, February 22, 2006 10:54 am
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yesterday was Justice Samuel Alito's first day on the Supreme Court bench. The high court now has a majority hostile to women's reproductive rights -- and their first order of business is hearing a case that could substantially alter the right to choose. We don't know what the Court will decide. But we do know that the best way to protect our rights is to elect a Democratic majority to Congress this November.

And that's why I am excited to announce the next DFA-List -- Francine Busby, Christine Cegelis, Mary Jo Kilroy and Lois Murphy for Congress. These four women are running in winnable districts. If we are going to elect a Democratic majority in 2006, we need to fight for victories in these races. Read more and make a contribution to their campaigns today:

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Francine Busby for California's 50th District. Francine is running in an April special election for the seat vacated by disgraced Randy "Duke" Cunningham. This race will be the first Congressional race of 2006, and recent polling shows Busby leading all Republicans. This is a race we can win -- Senator Feinstein has won this district and John Kerry received 45% of the vote in 2004. Francine is running a great campaign and DFA members in southern California are already hard at work knocking on doors and phone banking for her. With your support, we can elect Francine and return integrity to the CA-50th Congressional District.

Christine Cegelis for Illinois's 6th District. A long-time resident of Rolling Meadows, Christine Cegelis lives and works in Illinois' 6th Congressional District. As a Dean Dozen candidate in 2004, Christine came within just a few points of toppling 30-year Republican incumbent Rep. Henry Hyde. This year Hyde is retiring and Christine's running again in a tough Democratic primary. The DCCC is behind another candidate, but Christine has earned the support of DFA groups across Illinois. Please do whatever you can to help her win her primary on March 21st.

Mary Jo Kilroy for Ohio's 15th District. After winning her 2004 race for Franklin County Commissioner with the support of DFA, Mary Jo is now challenging incumbent Congresswoman Deborah Pryce, the chair of the GOP Conference and the fourth-highest ranking Republican in the House of Representatives. Pryce is a key architect of the Republican policies that have taken our nation so far off course, while Mary Jo embodies the values of DFA: fiscal responsibility, social progress and grassroots activism. This district can be won by a Democrat -- John Kerry did it in 2004 -- and Mary Jo Kilroy can do it this year. Your early contribution to Mary Jo's campaign will help her bring new leadership to the United States Congress.

Lois Murphy for Pennsylvania's 6th District. In 2004, Dean Dozen candidate Lois Murphy came within just 2 points of defeating Republican incumbent Jim Gerlach in the closest challenge in the country. Now, she's back for a rematch in Pennsylvania's sixth district. Gerlach has been called one of the most vulnerable members of Congress and is working overtime to try to conceal his strong ties to Tom DeLay. As a mother, lawyer, and activist, Lois understands the importance of
dedication and hard work. She is committed to fighting for our priorities and values. With your help we can give Murphy the resources she needs to win in this crucial district.

Francine Busby, Christine Cegelis, Mary Jo Kilroy and Lois Murphy are strong candidates fighting for change. Their positive vision will lead us in the right direction and restore the values that are important to all Americans. But they need your help to build early support and develop strong grassroots networks. Please help them today:

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Time and time again, DFA has surprised the pundits, winning in districts where Democrats have feared to tread for far too long. Today, I urge you to get involved in these critical races so we can take our country back in 2006!

Sincerely,

Jim Dean
Chair

P.S. Last week you raised over $40,000 for former Congressman Ciro Rodriguez's campaign against DINO (Democrat in Name Only) Henry Cuellar. Thank You!

--
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/candidates
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:12 PM
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11. For the record, my only issue with Cegelis is electibility (sp)
I just feel better with Duckworth as the nominee due to the way her campaign has been managed. I would have no problem enthusiastically supporting her if she gets the nomination.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 12:21 PM
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12. Yes, and I only got involved in that thread
Because one of the flamers CALLED ME OUT when I wasn't even in the thread and slandered me to support her own martyr complex.

Jesus, I'm not even passionate about this race - either Democrat would be a good choice - but I'm fucking sick of the Thoughtpolice on DU telling me who is and is not a progressive and flaming everyone for daring to support the DoublePlusUngood candidate.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:46 PM
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21. Typical DFA basher in action
nuff said
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:50 PM
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22. Seems to me like the ones getting bashed are the ones who "oppose" the DFA
As windycity pointed out, no one is flaming the thread which announced the DFA's support for Cegelis. However, all manner of thoughtpolice are swarming about the Duckworth thread, claiming that one cannot possibly be "grassroots" and support her. It's really tiresome. I don't have a big preference for Duckworth or Cegelis, but the way Duckworth is getting treated on this board - attacked by the "grassroots" thoughtpolice for opposing the DFA's anointed candidate - is disturbing. It's pretty clear to me who is trying to stifle dissent and spread ill will, and it's not the OP of this thread.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:55 PM
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23. No - only DFA supporters got bashed
in the Emily's List thread.

I read both.

BTW, I am a veteran, so I have no problem with military candidates but veteran's get no free ride, either. Odd how the same people poopooing Hackett getting nudged out are the ones screaming about "bashing" military candidates.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:04 PM
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24. The only reason anyone got "bashed" in that thread -
- because some people were coming in and implying that Duckworth isn't really "grassroots" and that if you support her, you're a corporate DLC tool, or something. Unsurprisingly, people don't take well to that.

Conversely, it's odd how the same people who cried about Hackett being "forced from the race" are the same people who are demanding that Duckworth has no right to challenge Cegelis.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:14 PM
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25. Typical DFA basher in action?
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 02:15 PM by wndycty
Are we a little paranoid? You made the accusation so back it up, where have I bashed DFA or PDA? Come on, I'm accused of bashing the least you can do is back it up or will you just admit you are being paranoid and immature. I will take the lack of a response as you made it up.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:32 PM
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26. Lock
this seems to be intended to incite a flame war
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