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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 07:37 AM
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Nine Professors At Columbia Are Deemed 'Dangerous'
So now professors are deemed dangerous if they expose their students to ideas this guy feels aren't conservative enough? I thought one the purposes of education was to encourage thought and the ability to process a variety of ideas. It seems to me the author is the one that is dangerous.

Nine Professors At Columbia Are Deemed 'Dangerous'

BY ALEC MAGNET - Staff Reporter of the Sun
February 21, 2006
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/27850

Nine of the "101 Most Dangerous Academics in America" teach at Columbia University, according to a new book by conservative activist David Horowitz.

The book, "The Professors: The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America," published by Regnery, profiles 101 professors from campuses across the country.

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A professor of journalism and sociology at Columbia, Todd Gitlin, said Mr. Horowitz misinterpreted two of his essays as anti-American. "In fact, the burden of these essays is exactly the contrary. In both essays, I distinguish between the country that is worthy of respect and allegiance and the government policies that are not."

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A spokeswoman for Columbia, Susan Brown, said the university's professors "are among the most preeminent scholars in their fields. They and the university take seriously the responsibility to expose students to the modern world in all its complexity and to foster greater understanding of its diverse cultures and political systems."

more

http://www.nysun.com/article/27850
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 07:40 AM
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1. You obviously haven't heard about the kid in CA who is paying
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 07:40 AM by Iris
students to tape lectures of "suspect" professors at Berkley.

This is what they do - try to villify the intellectuals.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 07:54 AM
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4. yes, it was attempted but now stopped (a month or so ago).
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:23 PM
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31. And putting Nazi stickers on their doors
:mad:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:13 PM
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46. lol...last year in LBN, there was another school in CA (iirc)
where the students put RED stars on some profs doors (all in the secrecy and cover of night, of course)
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 07:47 AM
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2. The right-wing thugs are scared to death of anyone who shows
any signs of free-thinking or intelligence. Both qualities expose them for the jack-booted obtuse thugs that they are.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 07:51 AM
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3. From the riduculous to the sublime.
"Mr. Horowitz argues that the professors should be seen as representative of academia as a whole."

In other words: Academia as a whole is Dangerous to Mr. Horowitz.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 07:55 AM
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5. is mr. horowitz speaking for the bushit in the white house and his
librarian wife?
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 07:57 AM
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6. We need to find out how much $ he's received from the WH
for putting this book together.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:01 AM
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16. he has probably gotten lots, and lots of $$$$
these bastard bushes know they can't stand on their own ... so they have to buy everything, including their tickets into the oval office -- and that includes poppy who smeared michael dukakis no end to buy his ticket into the white house, and then the bush buy out of the elections in 2000, and 2004 so junior could sit at the desk in the oval office while poppy and his cronies run everything else.

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:08 AM
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7. Regenery and Horowitz are part of the CNP network n/t
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:14 AM
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8. Didn't Regenery run an all-white Christian dating service?
I think I heard something about that.

It'd be ironic, considering that asshole Horowitz is Jewish, since they'd just be using him.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:21 AM
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17. from what I remember
Master Moon bailed Regenery out with a big influx of cash, just like he did with Falwell and LaHaye. These guys are all owing to Moon and his agenda.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:25 PM
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32. So maybe they're using each other
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 07:33 PM
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44. They've been in bed together for a long time.
It's all part of the 'Big Plan'.
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:16 AM
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9. This CNP Network?
UCSB CNP Network Monitoring

The UCSB Campus Network Programmers perform active monitoring of network devices and services, both for the CNP's own needs and also on behalf of various campus departments as time permits. This monitoring is currently performed by a piece of software called BigBrother. You can view the current state of this monitoring at the following URL: http://noc.ucsb.edu/bb

http://noc.ucsb.edu/monitoring/request.php

bolding is mine: What a perfect choice for a name!
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:55 AM
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11. No, but it fits. lol
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 08:58 AM by formercia
Council for National Policy.

http://www.seekgod.ca/1998cnp.htm
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 09:24 AM
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13. Mmmm....lovely group...not.
Many Evangelical, Pentecostal, Charismatic, Catholic, Mormon and other ecumenically-minded leaders are members of the Council for National Policy, the 500+ member organization which plans the strategy of the Religious Right in the United States.

The CNP, according to their 1996 Telephone Directory, was founded in 1981. While those involved are from the United States, their organizations and influence cover the globe, both religiously and politically. Members include corporate executives, television evangelists, legislators, former military or high ranking government officers, leaders of 'think tanks' dedicated to molding society and those who many view as Christian leadership. Members in many cases are owners or leaders from industry such as lumber, oil, mining, commodities, real estate, the media, including owners of radio, television and print, with all aspects of life covered. Many are involved in education, determining to influence society's direction by direct input with children and youth.
http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.htm

Some very familiar names:

Trent Lott
Washington, D.C.
U.S. Senate

Darden Coors*
Golden, Colorado

Holland H. Coors
Washington, D.C.

Jeffrey H. Coors
Golden, Colorado
ACX Technologies

Tom DeLay
Washington, D.C.

Rich DeVos
Grand Rapids, Michigan

Thanks for the link!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:26 PM
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33. I wonder if Murdoch is a part of them
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:03 PM
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25. Horowitz is President and Founder since 1988
He is married to April Mullvain.
He was born about 1939 making him about 67
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:52 AM
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10. Here's a great review of the book ...
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 09:30 AM
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14. Hey Meegbear! Thanks for the link
to Jesus General! Hilarious!
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 09:04 AM
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12. more disgusting nazism from the sick right wing
these monsters need to be stopped before they destroy what's left of our nation!
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 09:37 AM
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15. Conservatives have Bob Jones, Brigham Young, most Business Schools.....
If they want to "indoctinate" students into their tightly-proscribed conservative worldview, then let them form their own damn colleges. Or advise parents to send their kids to more conservative-leaning institutions. Or send them to trade schools.

But for fuck's sake don't fucking bring back McCarthyism.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:28 PM
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34. It's already here
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Young_LiberalCO Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:58 AM
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18. Are Your Professors Dangerous?
You can find the list of the "101 Most Dangerous Professors" here. Very helpful in deciding which classes to take next semester!

This academic witch-hunting is getting way out of hand. At Georgetown a few weeks ago, conservatives sponsored a "Take Back Georgetown Day," apparently because having the WH, Congress, Supreme Court, and big business isn't enough!
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:28 AM
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49. I've taken classes or seminars with several on that list
Hell, I've been out to dinner and other social events with several as well. (I won't name names...)

But "Dangerous"? :rofl:
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adwon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 11:44 AM
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19. I'm confused
I'm no fan of Todd Gitlin, quite the opposite, in fact. But, who is David Horowitz to criticize him? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Horowitz was way left of Gitlin 30+ years ago and now is way right of Jesse Helms. Gitlin is consistently on the left, whereas Horowitz is consistently on the fringe. Horowitz makes me think of that old story from Aesop about the guy who blew hot and cold with the same breath.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 11:47 AM
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20. David Horowitz is a pompous prick.
I can't believe anyone is publishing his tripe or giving him any air-time. It's all so obviously and tranparently part of a manufactured agenda.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 11:54 AM
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21. Regenery Publishing specializes in Reich-Wing garbage
Regenery is controlled by Moon.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:00 PM
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23. Well, at least we know very few people will every read his book
One of the GOP sugar-daddys will buy thousands of copies to artificially put this on the best seller list. They won't be able to give them away, they'll end up in dumpsters and hopefully this prick will fade away.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:02 PM
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24. I see a lot of their books at the local surplus outlet store.
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 12:03 PM by formercia
Coultergeist is a real dumper too.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 11:57 AM
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22. Another group: ACTA, founded by Lynne Cheney & Joe Lieberman:
American Council of Trustees and Alumni:
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1213-05.htm
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:06 PM
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26. 'KAPO' Joe really gets around.
funny, I don't see his name associated with many liberal organizations. perhaps it would be better if the Democratic Party ask him to change his affiliation.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:23 PM
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27. Made me think of this:
Joe does like to stay busy:
www.nixoncenter.org/boardac.htm
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:29 PM
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36. The Nixon center?!
What's next? I'm afraid to ask but I just did.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:29 PM
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35. Lynne and Joe? Well now
this explains why Joe is such buddies with the righties. :mad:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:37 PM
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28. The final frontier for the Neo-Con takeover
Now that they have the churches, media, government, and busniness entities are in the back pocket of the Neo-Cons, the last frontier to conquer is academia. Not only will this allow them to further their repressive, fascist agenda, but it fits in well with their anti-intellectual mindset. It also is payback for some of their folks, who I'm sure found their college years unfulfilling to say the least.

College campuses are the last bastion of free thought these days, and lord knows, the Neo Cons abhor free thought. This battle is being waged on many fronts, from the governor's mansion to the press to the media, to everything in between. Here in Missouri, our neo-con govenor has continously slashed funding for the university, and managed to appoint a couple of Neo Con curators to start gumming up the works. I imagine that this is going on nationwide.

If this succeeds, we're really screwed. Course selections will be cut, tenure revoked, professors fired, and the curriculum will be strictly controlled. Instead of producing intelligent, free thinking students, higher education will turn out programmed robots, all conditioned to support this fascist regime.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:31 PM
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37. Now you know why they're cutting EVERYTHING with education
Bush talks so much about science and math but he turns around and this happens. *sigh*
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:13 PM
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29. Norquist granted an interview
to a spanish speaking interviewer on 9/12/04....in that interview he stated that their goal was to take over the Legislative/Executive...and then enforce their hold over the Judicial branches of our gov't....for what purpose???? to direct it against the Democrats...and later on in that same interview he pointed out their longer term intent was to target unions/colleges/professors....seems they are right on point..This interview is translated, so perhaps not as easily understood as one in English might be...but it made the hair stand up on the back of my neck when I read it, months ago...Were any of our Democratic spokesmen/women paying attention? I have to wonder is there anyone on the side of the American people??? Do we have a Democracy any longer??? Or has it now become a memory that belongs to days gone by???

http://tinyurl.com/5v07e

windbreeze
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:46 PM
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40. Short answer, NO
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 01:46 PM by Julius Civitatus
We no longer live in the same type of Democracy we grew up in. They are dismantling it and turning it into something different, scarier, alienating.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:23 PM
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30. Simply amazing
There's this conservative video that some kid made called "Brainwashing 101" where he's trying to be like Michael Moore. In the film he claims that professors are brainwashing students all across the States. He does NOT show any type of proof except for a bunch of he said vs she said nonsense. They have one girl who claims to be a democrat who "backs them up" in their claims. They only showcase two colleges. UTK (Universitiy of Tennessee in Knoxville) and some other school I don't remember the name. You can probably find it online somewhere if you google.
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:37 PM
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38. A modest proposal: Fundraising to SUE the pants off these assholes
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 01:41 PM by Julius Civitatus
I think we need to start organizing some sort of FUND for LAWSUITS against these neo-McCarthyite right-wing activists. These people, after all, are collge professors and they don't make enough money to engage in libel and/or slander lawsuits. This blacklisting of private citizens needs to stop.

Ted Rall, Gary Trudeau and the NY Times were recently slandered by Ann Coulter, who claimed they submitted cartoons to the Iranian anti-semitic cartoon contest. She was trying to "make a funny," but basically LIED and slandered without any impunity. Now Ted Rall is receiving death threats for something he never did, but Coulter accused him of doing.

Conservatarian sourpuss Cathy O'Beirne recently published her personal black-list of "women that are destroying America," most of them not even related to politics.

Now Horowitz publishes a book with a black-list of professors and individuals that he fancies "dangerous for America." In this political climate, that book is an offense and a dangerous move. If anything happens to any of those 100 people, they should make Horowitz responsible for instigating it. This blacklisting is beyond the pale, and needs to STOP! Now!

Time to fight back in the courts, like they do.

I pledge $100 right now if such fund is created, dammit!

:rant:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:44 PM
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39. How horrible!
Coulter and these people really are dangerous. :scared:
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:51 PM
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41. They are allowed to say ANYTHING, even outright slander!
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 01:54 PM by Julius Civitatus
Seriously, how can it be legal to publish this in a newspaper?:

"Indeed, in response to the Muhammad cartoons, one Iranian newspaper is soliciting cartoons about the Holocaust. (So far the only submissions have come from Ted Rall, Garry Trudeau and The New York Times.)"

Ann Coulter

If she intended to make a comedic jab, she could have used a different style. It still would have been tasteless, but a different grammatical composition could have imply that it was sarcasm. Instead she simply makes a statement of accusation, and it is an outright lie to boot.

Read the whole episode here: http://smirkingchimp.com/print.php?sid=24996

I'm glad Ted Rall is planning to sue. If he needs help, I'll donate. I don't make a lot of many, but I can spare up to $100 to see that woman in court for her libelous writings.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:56 PM
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42. fascists do come for the intelligentsia.
Yup.
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belpejic Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 02:08 PM
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43. OMG
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 02:14 PM by belpejic
This is one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen. First, David Horowitz is a joke; second, the NY Sun doesn't even count as a reliable media source. They can't even give it away in NYC (I know b/c I'm a Manhattan resident and the NY Sun has gotten a huge amount of sh*t for dumping papers on unsympathetic apartment dwellers -- basically everyone).

What would Mr. Horowitz say about Glenn Hubbard, who is dean of Columbia Business School and was formerly a high powered economist in the Bush administration?

Simply ridiculous. Really.

On edit: for those who don't know, the Sun is the "serious" conservative NYC rag (as opposed to the Murdoch-owned NY Post, which is a conservative tabloid). Literally no-one reads it, and I'm not kidding about that. It really is a huge farce, funded by some wealthy conservative New Yorkers who think they can create a market out of non-existent demand.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 07:35 PM
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45. I smell Lynn Cheney.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:00 AM
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47. Funny quotes from Professors Navasky and Foner, who made the list:
Edited on Sat Feb-25-06 10:05 AM by 1932
"I was flattered to be included, despite the inaccuracies and false innuendos, although I didn't and don't feel I have earned the right (either as a professor or a clear and present danger) to be on such a list," a Columbia journalism professor who is the editor of the Nation {sic} and chairman of the Columbia Journalism Review, Victor Navasky, told the Sun in an e-mail message.

A professor of American history, Eric Foner, whom Mr. Horowitz describes as an "apologist for American Communism," said in an e-mail, "Mr. Horowitz's 'chapter' on me is full of errors, beginning with the long quote with which he opens, which was written by someone else, not me. This is a fair example of the reliability of his work. But to get into a debate about Horowitz is a waste of time, and accords his attacks a legitimacy they do not deserve."
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:24 AM
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48. LOL
"The Graduate Center of the City University of New York has two professors on the Horowitz list, Eve Kosofky Sedgwick, whom teaches English, and Stanley Aronowitz, who Mr. Horowitz quotes as saying..."

Maybe the article writer should take a course..."Me fail English! That's unpossible!"...:rofl:

Seriously, though, Sedgwick is a key name in LGBT Studies, and wrote one of the preeminent books in queer theory (Epistemology of the Closet), so it's not surprising that she would make Horowitz's ridiculous list.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:28 AM
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50. Yeah. I thought that was pretty funny too.
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