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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 02:55 PM
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Modest proposal for labeling Democrats....
most people here would call themselves and the pols they like "progressive Democrats," but we have problem with how we label the other kind.

Calling them "conservative Democrats" would actually only apply to a few, and some of those can end up on the correct side of issues like John Murtha.

"Moderate" not only makes them sound more attractive than they are, it is also inaccurate. Some like Dianne Feinstein, are very liberal on social issues, but stabs us in the back on war and economics.

DINO (Democrat In Name Only) and DLC (Democratic Leadership Council) are so esoteric they are meaningless to the casual observer.


Therefore, I propose that we call them corporate Democrats. Those who don't follow politics too closely would get the meaning instantly, and it accurately describes what they all have in common--they are either on the corporate payroll or want to be.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 02:59 PM
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1. Napocrats
You know, those Democrats who must be sleeping at the goddamn wheel?
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 11:04 PM
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16. LOL!
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 03:05 PM
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2. Hmm... I thought those were just called Republicans n/t
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 06:04 PM
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12. In states where GOP can't win, Chamber of Commerce uses Dems
same agenda corporate agenda, different wrapper.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 09:53 AM
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36. Exactly, politics is the game of deception that uses the sanction.........
of the state to adulterate culture. Many a worthless politician will sell out the people who they are supposed to represent for just a few extra coins or a position they perceive as a step up.

The state designating or even legislating words to represent something different or even something opposite of the original intent of the ideas the words represented is an act of desperation.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 03:06 PM
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3. I'll shorten it for you: Corporatists, those who put money above humans
Anybody who advocates a way of life where greed and profits reign above even the value of human life is a goddamn corporatist. I couldn't give two shits if that person calls himself a Democrat or a Republican.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 05:55 PM
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11. yep--unlike GOP though, Democratic version doesn't have
courtesy to ever tell you that's what they are doing.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 03:21 PM
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4. how shall we label you, yurbud?
Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 03:21 PM by paulk
with your constant attempts to divide Democrats from each other?



ed for spelling
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 03:30 PM
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5. I don't think it was yurbud who did that
The conservative democrats and the progressive democrats are nearly as different from one another as the Republicans and the Greens.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 04:01 PM
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7. how about DINO?
Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 04:02 PM by wyldwolf
Because as soon as a pol takes a position on one issue that his kind disagree with, they threaten to leave the party or "purge the party."

Sounds like a Democrat in name only to me. Or perhaps a FWD - fair weather Democrat.

Perhaps 2%'ers?

McGovernite Fringies?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 05:54 PM
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10. yeah, let's get MORE candidates in favor of corporate wars,
NAFTA, the bankruptcy bill, and that shit. The only difference between the corporate democrats and t he GOP is the lack of religious window dressing. But Joe Lieberman even does that. So what the hell good are they? If you are soldier getting his legs blown off in Iraq, would it be a comfort to know a democrat sent you instead of a republican.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 05:05 AM
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21. How about DINO?
Because as soon as a pol takes a position on one issue that his kind disagree with, they threaten to leave the party or "purge the party."

Sounds like a Democrat in name only to me. Or perhaps a FWD - fair weather Democrat.

Perhaps 2%'ers?

McGovernite Fringies?

Whiny Dems?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 07:47 AM
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26. I'd agree with 2%ers
As I said elsewhere, I believe I could happily go the rest of my life without hearing some childish gumball call Democrats corporowhores or some such rubbish.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 06:22 PM
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13. whose interests are Dems like Biden and Lieberman looking out for?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 11:19 AM
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39. their constituents in Delaware and Connecticut?
the people who voted them into office and will likely do so again?

Apparently those voters define their "interests" differently than you.

And apparently they also define "Democrats" differently that you...
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 06:56 PM
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47. everybody there works for credit card companies and
the defense industry?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 12:32 PM
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49. those industries bring a lot of money into the state
more than any of the other industries in those states, I'll bet.

what is the job of a political representative?

to bring money into the state. to create jobs.

I'm not going to trash Lieberman or Biden for doing what's best for their state, even if I don't necessarily agree.

And to reiterate - it seems obvious that the voters in Delaware and Connecticut feel that those two are doing what's best.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 03:51 PM
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6. Bidencrats and Liebermorons.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 04:07 PM
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8. Modest Proposal?
I eat ba-bies!!

Swift, eh?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 04:09 PM
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9. How 'bout traitor Satan-incarnate evil-doers?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 12:36 PM
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50. I second this one. n/t
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 07:00 PM
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14. A modest proposal for people who want to label Democrats
How about trusting the primary voters in the districts and states of these officials to decide for themselves whether these people are deserving of the Democrat label? How about devoting your time and energy instead to defeating incumbent Republicans? After all, even if every Democrat who failed to pass your litmus test were replaced by a "progressive" Democrat (whatever the hell that means), the Democrats would still be in the minority. The only way the Democrats can regain control of Congress is by defeating Republican. Frankly, we don't have any Democrats to spare at this point.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 01:00 AM
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19. since it is still primary season, there's nothing wrong with holding
the feet of the comfortable to the fire, especially since they built it with our tax dollars and soldiers lives.

Is it too much to ask them to actually stand for things?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 12:57 AM
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18. I am mystified by their defenders, who rarely bother to present evidence
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 05:08 AM
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23. evidence of what?
It's your kind that run away everytime evidence is asked for.

Tell you what - standard challenge:

Show me evidence that the Democrats you despise are alone in taking the actions you despise them for.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 07:37 AM
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25. You get the Ted Rall call-out!
The Republicrats and the Demicans:

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 09:06 AM
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34. that toon sums it up pretty well
progressives have to take over the Democrats or form a party strong enough to replace them.

The GOP and the Democrats seem to be having a race to see who can be the next Whigs (extinct).
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 03:35 PM
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42. so you won't take the challenge? I'll cite evidence if you will
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 07:51 AM
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29. I think it's enough to point out
that John Murtha is more right wing than most Republicans...but our "progressive purists" haven't got the courage to stand up and say so.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 07:50 AM
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28. I'd hate to make a list of all that mystifies you
And considering what you think is "evidence" I'm not surprised you don't see any....
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 07:49 AM
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27. In other words, Democrats
as opposed to the sort of imbeciles who worship that loony Chomsky.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 08:59 AM
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32. what has Chomsky said that you consider loony?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 04:53 PM
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44. Let's start with his Pol Pot glorification
and go on from there....
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 09:03 AM
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33. Chomsky has said anything that isn't backed up with primary
documents and mainstream media accounts. A lot of it is just stuff that pundits and pols hope we will forget, like the Bushies hoping we forgot our past relationship with Saddam, or that we are in the Middle East at all to get access to and control oil, or that we have supported dictators over democracies when it suited certain corporate interests.

You are either ignorant or selling something--and doing so very poorly.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 04:48 PM
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43. Chomsky is a piece of shit in bed with the holocaust denial crowd
He was an advocate of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge and denied there was genocide going on there, long after the evidence was clear to sane people.

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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 05:25 PM
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45. actually here are the correct details on what Chomsky said - in his own
Edited on Tue Apr-04-06 05:28 PM by Douglas Carpenter
words:

here is Chomsky in his own words :

His Right to Say It
Noam Chomsky
The Nation, February 28, 1981

link: http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/articles/8102-right-to-say.html

"Faurisson's conclusions are diametrically opposed to views I hold and have frequently expressed in print (for example, in my book Peace in the Middle East?, where I describe the holocaust as "the most fantastic outburst of collective insanity in human history"). But it is elementary that freedom of expression (including academic freedom) is not to be restricted to views of which one approves, and that it is precisely in the case of views that are almost universally despised and condemned that this right must be most vigorously defended. It is easy enough to defend those who need no defense or to join in unanimous (and often justified) condemnation of a violation of civil rights by some official enemy. "

another article - Link:

http://www.chomsky.info/books/dissent01.htm

QUESTION: I ask you this question because I know that you have been plagued and hounded around the United States specifically on this issue of the Holocaust. It's been said that Noam Chomsky is somehow agnostic on the issue of whether the Holocaust occurred or not.

CHOMSKY: I described the Holocaust years ago as the most fantastic outburst of insanity in human history, so much so that if we even agree to discuss the matter we demean ourselves. Those statements and numerous others like them are in print, but they're basically irrelevant because you have to understand that this is part of a Stalinist-style technique to silence critics of the state and therefore the truth is entirely irrelevant, you just tell as many lies as you can and hope that some of the mud will stick. It's a standard technique used by the Stalinist parties, by the Nazis and by these guys.

here is detailed article by Christopher Hitchens (hardly a leftist)

link to full article:

http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/other/85-hitchens.html

snip:"The Case of the Cambodian Genocide
David Horowitz and Peter Collier were wrong, in the syndicated article announcing their joint conversion to neoconservatism, to say that Chomsky hailed the advent of the Khmer Rouge as "a new era of economic development and social justice." The Khmer Rouge took power in 1975. In 1972, Chomsky wrote an introduction to Dr. Malcolm Caldwell's collection of interviews with Prince Norodom Sihanouk. In this introduction, he expressed not the prediction but the pious hope that Sihanouk and his supporters might preserve Cambodia for "a new era of economic development and social justice." You could say that this was naive of Chomsky, who did not predict the 1973 carpet-bombing campaign or the resultant rise of a primitive, chauvinist guerrilla movement. But any irony here would appear to be at the expense of Horowitz and Collier. And the funny thing is that, if they had the words right, they must have had access to the book. And if they had access to the book.... Well, many things are forgiven those who see the error of their formerly radical ways."

snip"Chomsky and Herman wrote that "the record of atrocities in Cambodia is substantial and often gruesome." They even said, "When the facts are in, it may turn out that the more extreme condemnations were in fact correct." The facts are now more or less in, and it turns out that the two independent writers were as close to the truth as most, and closer than some. It may be distasteful, even indecent, to argue over "body counts," whether the bodies are Armenian, Jewish, Cambodian, or (to take a case where Chomsky and Herman were effectively alone in their research and their condemnation) Timorese. But the count must be done, and done seriously, if later generations are not to doubt the whole slaughter on the basis of provable exaggerations or inventions"

the faurisson affair:

snip:In the early stages of this process, Chomsky received a request that he add his name to a petition upholding Faurisson's right to free expression. This, on standard First Amendment grounds and in company with many others, he did. The resulting uproar, in which he was accused of defending Faurisson's theses, led to another request from Thion. Would Chomsky write a statement asserting the right to free speech even in the case of the most loathsome extremist? To this he also assented, pointing out that it was precisely such cases that tested the adherence of a society to such principles and adding in a covering letter that Thion could make what use of it he wished. At this stage, only the conservative Alfred Grosser among French intellectuals had been prepared to say that Faurisson's suspension by the University of Lyons set a bad example of academic courage and independence. Chomsky's pedantic recitation of Voltairean principles would probably have aroused no comment at all had Thion not taker rather promiscuous advantage of the permission to use it as he wished. Without notification to Chomsky, he added the little essay as an avis to Faurisson's pretrial Memiore en defense"

snip:"I wouldn't accuse any of the critics listed here of deliberate falsification. But it is nevertheless untrue to describe Chomsky's purloined avis as a preface, as Fresco does on almost a dozen occasions and as Mayer does twice. It is also snide, at best, to accuse Chomsky of "breaking with his usual pattern" in praising "the traditions of American support for civil liberty." He has, as a matter of record, upheld these traditions more staunchly than most -- speaking up for the right of extremist academics like Rostow, for example, at a time during the Vietnam War when some campuses were too turbulent to accommodate them. It is irrelevant, at least, to do as Fresco also does and mention Voltaire's anti-Semitism. (As absurd a suggestion, in the circumstances, as the vulgar connection between Locke and imperialism.) Would she never quote Voltaire? Finally, she says that no question of legal rights arises because the suit against Faurisson was "private." What difference does that make? An authoritarian law, giving the state the right to pronounce on truth, is an authoritarian law whoever invokes it."


And I certainly don't think he should be the spokesman for the Democratic Party, nor does he want to be. The only Democrat celebrity I have ever come across who quoted Chomsky in a favorable way was Ed Schultz in his book, Straight Talk from the Heartland.

I don't see that the Republican Party leadership has ever been concerned about those who are waaaaaaaaaaaaay out of the mainstream of opinion. It certainly does not seem to have hurt them politically in the least. In fact they seem to revel in putting right-wing extremist front and center at every opportunity. They have for years. Does any sane person actually believe that the Republican Party gained dominance because they are such moderates and mainstream centrist?

Chomsky is an iconoclastic intellectual. He says a lot of different things; some agreeable and some not so agreeable, much like Jean Paul Sartre was France. Sartre was a committed Marxist-Leninist, but still was highly respected even within very conservative circles of France specifically because of his iconoclastic contribution. On this side of the Atlantic, Ema Goldman would have made Chomsky sound like a DLC Democrat, yet it did not stop Eleanor Roosevelt from befriending her. A bit earlier than that, Republican President Harding invited Eugene V. Debs to the White House as a special guest of honur-after he had been pardoned by him and released from prison-just because he wanted to meet him. Has American society become so antiseptic and skewered so far to the right that only right-wing extremist are considered credible iconoclastic thinkers to make contribution to public thought?

Nobody has even accused Chomsky himself of being a Holocaust denier except from the most absolute ultra-right fringe. The actual accusation by some is that he is excessively tolerant of such deniers. That is not the same.


link: http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/articles/8102-right-to-say.html

http://www.chomsky.info/books/dissent01.htm

Here is Chomsky's controversial 1977 article from the Nation regarding Cambodia

http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/other/85-hitchens.html

Distortions at Fourth Hand
Noam Chomsky & Edward S. Herman
The Nation, June 6, 1977

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19770625.htm

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #45
48. Chock full of crap, as ever....
You're welcome to his odious company
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 11:07 PM
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17. ya, cause it will really work for our cause to turn people against dems
that's using that brain
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 01:05 AM
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20. they did it to themselves by sitting on hands or worse, voting with GOP
It would help our cause if these asswipes looking for a corporate payday would actually work for the interests of their constituents.

One of them is one of my senators, Dianne Feinstein. And before you say anything about progressives being losers, our other more progressive senator, Barbara Boxer, won by a wider margin.

Contrary to their claims, the corporate democrats are NOT about winning above all--they are about taking care of business above all.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 05:07 AM
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22. And like me you are not voting for her
are you?

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #22
30. Nadine, you announced long ago you were leaving
and yet here you are still clogging the board....
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 08:54 AM
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31. I'll vote for her, but I would have been happy to see a primary challenger
without her business entanglements.

If you had to choose between her and Cindy Sheehan, would it even be a contest? Or Barbara Lee?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 09:24 AM
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35. you might want to know sheehans positions on issues
first...... i dont know, i would think. but in this topsy turvey world, it might not matter, huh
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 11:04 AM
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37. she hasn't spoken or written on all issues, but on foreign policy and
military issues, would be a dramatic improvement over Feinstein.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 11:33 AM
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40. the iraq war, and the iraq war alone is the only position we know
about sheehan.

i am saying there is way more going on in this country and world. i personally would like to know her position on issues before considering replacing her for feinstein
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 01:27 PM
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41. you could look at what she said when she visited Hugo Chavez
another potential target for invasion.

Sheehan decided not to run, so this is moot, but on foreign policy, war, and trade, which are all intertwined, she would be head and shoulders above Feinstein, who seems to support war and neoliberalism instead of truly supporting the democratic aspirations of other people.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 05:31 AM
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24. personally I don't see a lot of purpose in this labeling. We need to be
Edited on Tue Apr-04-06 05:36 AM by Douglas Carpenter
realistic. The vast majority of elected Democrats are in that sense "corporate-Democrats"; even many of the more liberal ones. We live in a very very corporate-capitalist dominated society. It would be extremely difficult to get elected to city council in any significant city in America without corporate backing. This can only be changed by developing better grassroots organizing and small donor fund raising eventually leading to public campaign financing. And we do need to find better and less alianating ways to frame the progressive message.

In the mean time I look how the far right working from the aftermath of the Goldwater landslide defeat of 1964 changed the big tent Republicans into a distinctly right wing party; so right wing that poor old Barry wasn't even welcome anymore. But, to do this the right wing did back in general elections candidates and Presidents who were clearly not their ideological soul-mates. Richard Nixon would be a socialist wacko by current Republican Party standards. But, it was the Nixon era that gave real rise to the long-term agenda of the right-wing.

Since we do not have a system such as exist in much of Europe which is accommodating to third parties and there is realistically no possibility whatsoever that will change anytime prior to the collapse of the current order which I do not anticipate will happen anytime soon--we have no choice in my opinion but to work with what we do have.

First they ignored us,

then they laughed at us,

then they fought us,

then we won.

---Mohandas Gandhi


We can take heart in the reality that the forces of history and progress are on our side and on the vast majority of issues the vast majority of the people actually agree with us:

recent polls by the Pew Research Group, the Opinion Research Corporation, the Wall Street Journal, and CBS News

http://alternet.org/story/29788

1. 65 percent say the government should guarantee health insurance for everyone -- even if it means raising taxes.
2. 86 percent favor raising the minimum wage (including 79 percent of self described "social conservatives").
3. 60 percent favor repealing either all of Bush's tax cuts or at least those cuts that went to the rich.
4. 66 percent would reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.
5. 77 percent believe the country should do "whatever it takes" to protect the environment.
6. 87 percent think big oil corporations are gouging consumers, and 80 percent (including 76 percent of Republicans) would support a windfall profits tax on the oil giants if the revenues went for more research on alternative fuels.
7. 69 percent agree that corporate off shoring of jobs is bad for the U.S. economy (78 percent of "disaffected" voters think this), and only 22% believe off shoring is good because "it keeps costs down."
8. 69 percent believe America is on the wrong track, with only 26 percent saying it's headed in the right dire

Borrowed from:
LynnTheDem

a super-majority of Americans are liberal in all but name
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051107/alterman
Public opinion polls show that the majority of Americans embrace liberal rather than conservative positions...
http://www.poppolitics.com/articles/2002-04-16-liberal.shtml
The vast majority of Americans are looking for more social support, not less...
http://www.prospect.org/print/V12/7/borosage-r.html

http://people.umass.edu/mmorgan/commstudy.html

Some more polls:

http://www.democracycorps.com/reports/analyses/Democracy_Corps_May_2005_Graphs.pdf

http://www.democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-2

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/US/healthcare031020_poll.html

http://www.cdi.org/polling/5-foreign-aid.cfm




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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 11:07 AM
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38. excellent points--I'm a little concerned that corporate Dems are
making this election closer than it needs to be through their equivocating and silence, and if they win they will not expose the crimes of the current right wing regime and therefore leave us vulnerable to another (and probably better) assault on democracy.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 05:30 PM
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46. Democrats are the party of inclusiveness. We have room for all.
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