I smell blood.

[Singular73]

I didn't get on board for Downing Street Memos.

I didn't get on board for the censure.

I didn't get on board for the UAE deal.

I didn't get on board for the Cheney hunting deal,

I didn't get on board for the Election 04.

I didn't get on board for the Allito Fillibuster.

Am I a bad democrat?

Nah, I just understand politics.

The only thing I have EVER gotten on board for is Fitz.

Why? Because we live within a system. And that system does not enforce accountability without a real investigation, not the bullshit intelligence commitee "investigations" they have in congress.

Congressional investigations are ALWAYS an act of futility in one way. The outcome is politically pre-determined.

But this is different. Fitz has a job to do.

Downing street? Please. Bush could export nukes to Iran without an investigation.

Censure? LOL

UAE? Pull it out through the backchannels..no problem there.

04? Please. Did anyone really think we were going to win without fighting back hard?

Allito Fillibuster? Not even gonna talk about it.

But this is big.

There is an actual investigation going forward. One with consequences. One not determined by Partisans.

We all know that Bush has no credibility with the DU-type American. He doesn't even hold shock-value anymore. But this...this will kill him politically in the mainstream.

He *may* be forced to resign.

Cheney is done, at minimum. I'm never wrong about this stuff...have a moderator check my post history if you will :)

Its over people.

[babylonsister]

1. I really hope you're right! nt

[femmocrat]

2. From your lips....

What else can get away with? It has to stop somewhere... please let this be the last straw!

[steve2470]

3. With all due respect, sir....

how did you become this gifted at divining political outcomes ? I'm not being sarcastic either.

[orleans]

25. maybe psychic powers like in the dead zone or something...

http://www.usanetwork.com/series/thedeadzone/

[Union Thug]

4. I hope you're right...but I am not holding my breath...

This miserable, sagital-crested little tyrant has gotten away with murder and Americans let it slide. I hope this finally brings him down, but won't start celebrating until he resigns or is impeached.

[BlueEyedSon]

5. You've only been here since May 2005, not much of a track record to check

[BoneDaddy]

11. Lol

Are you serious, hehe.

[PublicWrath]

6. Me, too.

But I would never be able to reason it out as beautifully as you just did.
Nice post.

[TayTay]

7. I think it's been over for a while

and what we are seeing now is a dying Presidency. They were over-confident after the 04 race and have massively bungled everything since. The debacle over Terry Schiavo greased the skids of the fall this Admin has been taking since March of 05.

This is one more nail in the coffin. But the people are more ready for it because of the bungling of Katrina, the Ports Deal and the immigration fight.

You have to, in some way, make it about the people. The abstract stuff is icing, not the cake.

[colorado_ufo]

8. I would like to think that this is a "dying presidency,"

but I fear otherwise. I fear that there is a "big gun" that is being kept in reserve, for when this all reaches a truly back-to-the-wall moment. However, I hope and pray I am wrong.

[The Witch]

10. This presidency is in its last throes!

:rofl:

[bvar22]

56. Just a few "dead enders"!!!

:rofl:

[PublicWrath]

13. I share your fears........

After the election they will know to expect impeachment hearings
by early next year. I'm afraid they'll do something godawful,
-maybe a diversionary assault on Iran.

[TayTay]

40. They absolutely will. It's what they do

The Bush White House is one of the most corrupt and incompetent regimes in American history. These people seek power for power's sake and to just be in charge. They do not wish to actually govern as that would mean, in essence, giving a shit about the people they were elected to govern and they most definitely do not want to give a shit about anyone but themselves and their corporate backers.

These people are very dangerous. They love power and will do anything to keep it. Anything. (We all know the references to Busy Family evil deeds and tricks. No litany here required.)

What makes this a dying regime is that there 9/11 magic halo is gone. They have been exposed to the American people for the money-grubbing incompetents that they really are. The best indicator of this is in that 'Reight Direction/Wrong direction' polling result. It is now way above 60% in the wrong direction.

The way to show disapproval is to turn out the Rethug enablers of the Bush agenda in Congress. That would be the real revolution and putdown of this arrogant band of criminals and liars. And it will happen. You can only lie, scheme, cheat and steal your way out of so much. They have been exposed and that doesn't go away. And it's not going to get any better for them, they have nothing in their arsenal of tricks that can work again on the US. Nothing. They have run out of lies.

[BoneDaddy]

9. Daaaa Dum

DaaDum........DaaDum.......DaaDum..DaaDum..Daadum Daadum Daadum Daadum
DaadumDaadumDaadumDaadumDaadum...
(Think Jaws)

[OKDem08]

12. oddly enough, I believe that Terry Schiavo was

the WTF moment for most of America...downhill from there.

[Why Syzygy]

14. He should have stopped

after the first four years. Almost a decade, and the decades that have gone before, have a way of oozing out eventually.

I believe, however, that all the things you mention, plus the financial scandals, the most recent and those 'past' (Enron, et.al.), have played their part in weakening the structure.
I do agree that the outcome of THIS investigation will deal the final blow.
I hope we can find a Democrat with the courage to take charge of the cinders.

[kster]

22. Dems is not the problem, We need some Repugs to

get a backbone.

[skooooo]

15. You have some intuition?

I feel the same way sometime...you can feel the mood of the country changing. The Pendulem is swinging!

[OKDem08]

18. you are right on there!

I heard co-workers today even discussing today whether * is a Christian. I added: would a Christian initiate the concept of pre-emptive wars?

[calimary]

23. For any who are still wavering, you can always challenge them to show you

WHERE in the Beatitudes Jesus said "...blessed are the war-makers."

I'm glad this is coming up. I see it all over the place. I've been traveling through parts of the Northeast and upper Midwest, and I hear and see it everywhere. The dissatisfaction quotient has gone WAY up. They're starting to get fed up out there. The tipping point, I think, HAS been reached.

And believe me, all this talk from panicky republi-CONS saying they hope circumstances around them will change for the better - is just whistling past the graveyard. Things AREN'T just magically going to get better all of a sudden. bush is NOT all of a sudden going to morph into a moral man with a conscience. He's not just suddenly, magically, going to admit he was wrong and that he's royally screwed every pooch in Christendom AND beyond, and that he's willingly submitting himself for judgment. It ain't gonna happen. The war isn't just magically going to start being wonderful and having everything "go right" out of a clear blue sky. cheney isn't going to go before the cameras and admit he's a miserable liar, cheater, and thief, and turn himself in to authorities for prosecution. That MIGHT turn a few heads and impress a few of the simple-minded, but it's not gonna happen. These leopards have come too far to change their spots.

[smoochpooch]

21. It only matters

if we grab hold of it and keep it from swinging back!

[fooj]

27. Excellent point. Welcome to DU!

Peace.

[NVMojo]

16. I hope you are right and I've been feelig this Fitz thing is different too

thanks for explaining why.

[skeeters2525]

17. Splash

While I am enjoyed at what you say. It is my job to splash some cold water. You are right, Fitz is tough as nails. There is hope.

But what we have to understand is the media takes their marching orders from Bush. They will laugh it off as, that knucklehead, look what he has done now. Most people are not blessed with getting the news from DU.

And who knows what distraction the PNAC will come up with next. That is all immigration is. Republicans do nothing but get to talk tough. And we all fall for it.

So whatch the media do their job. Cover for the liar and chief. And you damn well know they will repeat the same lies to start the next war.

[blossomstar]

19. This is the most inspiring post I've ever read! Thank you.

I had only prayed that in my lifetime I would see this evil and corrupt administration be exposed for what it is.... it truly looks as though it might actually happen. I had resigned myself that it would only be in the history books of the future as the "darkest days of America". Thank you so very much!

[Independent_Liberal]

20. I smell blood too.

I can also taste it.

:)

[TalkingDog]

37. Does it hurt when you do this......? Better have a Dr. look at that. n/t

[alterfurz]

41. who was it who said...

..."a taste of truth is like a taste of blood"
The sharks have begun to circle...

[LeahD]

24. If it's over for them, then it's just the beginning....

of we the people getting our country back!
Yahoo.

[fooj]

26. Hope sustains me.

Peace.

[bluesbassman]

28. So reminiscent of Watergate.

Small detail did Nixon in too. And while the mainstream media played a part in that sorry episode of American history, it was his own party that drove the stake in his heart to save their own sorry selves. Alas we don't have a viable mainstream media now, but we do have the Internet, and I believe it will be enough to keep fanning the fires that will eventually cause the repubs to burn bush too.

[Virginian]

57. Who was the head of the RNC who told Nixon to resign?

I heard today on the History channel that it was George HW Bush.
Maybe he should do it again -- Tell his son to resign.

[bluesbassman]

58. It was three senators...

Barry Goldwater, Hugh Scott, John Rhodes met with Nixon on August 7, 1974 and told him that they were going to vote for impeachment. This convinced Nixon that he had to resign. The House had already voted on on July 27th to adopt the first article of impeachment, obstruction of the investigation of the Watergate break in.

George H.W. Bush was in fact the RNC chairman, and there are many references to his suggesting to Nixon that he resign, but I could not find any hard quotes or documentation.

I agree, if Poppy had an ounce of patriotism left, he would tell dim-son to resign. Fat chance!

BTW, the parallels with Watergate and the Plame outing are striking. Here is a link to a pretty good Watergate time line to see for yourself.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WatergateChronology.htm

[WildEyedLiberal]

29. So you're proud you've done nothing?

You sound pretty lazy to me.

[BlueIris]

30. Lazy isn't the word.

Anyone who would characterize the '04 response as having lacked people "fighting back hard" is...worse than lazy. Learn to read, man. It requires having your eyes open.

[TheBaldyMan]

31. in that case I'm glad I don't understand politics.

By your way of thinking Alito is a minor annoyance that didn't affect the status quo and hasn't shifted the SCOTUS way over to the right for a generation.

'04 election, well what's a little ballot box stuffing between friends ;)

Downing Street memo, so he took us to war on a false premise and 10,000s die.

I could go on ...

I am really glad I'm so naive because the alternative would be actually condoning all of the above. Maybe you shold run for congress, that is if you are not already there.

[cassiepriam]

32. Sing, your post is fascinating. Please say more.

Why will this be any different from the other horrors of the Bush regime?
That the American people do not seem to care a fig about?

Why will any one care about outing a CIA agent, when it was "legal" for him to do do?

Are you saying that this time it is the process that is different, the fact that it is a legit investigation by a legit prosecutor?

[rman]

33. I think you're right about most what you said,

and i hope you're right about Fitz.

[grasswire]

34. it's easy to be right about the Bushies

You just assume that they'll do the most low-down gutterball bare-knuckles thing possible.

[GeorgeGist]

35. I hope you are right...

but FUBAR and his minions have proved their insanity once too often for me to believe they will go willingly into the light.

"Its over people", I fear may be all too prescient in an extraordinarily unpleasant way.

[Agony]

36. Sorry, wish you were right.

It would be over if I thought the American people were getting any smarter through all of this, but they aren't. Just because GWarB is gone will not change a thing. If McCain runs against Hillary/Kerry/Edwards/pickone in '08, I don't see how any one of the democrats can win facing the now entrenched money pot and prevailing stupidity. Our only real hope is through dogged education. Liberals have been asleep in their own little world for too long. (can I start new threads yet?)

[AlecBGreen]

38. hi Agony

Welcome to DU! :hi: :toast: :party:

[lonestarnot]

39. Nope I think you smell rat piss!

[dooner]

42. "The aspens turn in clusters" - Scooter Libby

Assuming the media is part of "the cluster" Libby so cryptically refers to in his note to Judith Miller... it fits that the tide has turned against Bushco.. with media support. But who called for the change?

I know we only ever see the tip of any political iceberg... strings are always being pulled, and people are always being played. But knowing who is REALLY playing who, and why seems impossible to know.

And how long can we hold our breath waiting for Cheney (at least) to resign? This could drag on and on?
As "we" get ready to nuke Iran?

[rhett o rick]

43. i hate to count chickens before the eggs hatch....or whatever. but

So far we only have libby. And they r building concentration camps and no one in America is upset.
Public apathy will kill us.

[rhett o rick]

44. Can't Bush pardon everyone?? Then step down and macain can

pardon him.

[sellitman]

45. You didn't get on period.

You are smoking something if you are proud of standing around while Rome burns.

Fitz is only a small distraction.

As soon as the bombs fly in Iran the lemmings in America will forget all about the investigation and with the help of their very own voting machine company will install the next dictator in 2008.

Nice dreams!

[paulk]

47. the investigation will proceed whether America forgets about

it or not.

What is the purpose of your post? Why are spreading such negativity?

[sellitman]

48. There hasn't been anything positive politically since Chimpy was installed

I haven't seen anything to cheer about for so long maybe I forgot what it looks like?

[rhett o rick]

51. Voting machines will be obsolete. The emperor will simply ask his

congress to extend his reign until the WAR is under control. The SCOTUS will side with their emperor. Any major uprising will be squelched and dissident put in the American Concentration camps for "processing". Wake up America, it is closer than you think.

[radio4progressives]

46. Will it be "over" for Cheney before or after BushCo takes us to Armageddon?

[Totally Committed]

49. I pray you are right.

eom

TC

[Rene]

50. Is an impeached, resigned or censured Pres allowed to pardon anyone?

I certainly hope not.
They ALL need to face justice, not Gonzales version, real justice in a court of law and be punished by their peers. The whole *co admin.

[rhett o rick]

52. Currently "they" are determining what the law is. nt

[AnneD]

53. I have been following the Plame incident

from day one. And I too got excited about Fitz's investigation as this was a real crime that could have only happened in the WH. His indictment will have to be addressed. And if you think these folks are tough like some of the folks in Nixon's circle...just watch. They will squeal like the little pigs they are. They care too much about their creature comforts to want to face prison time.
I remembered Watergate and how corruption forced Agnew to resign first. I was hoping something could be pinned on Cheney but what a difference over 30 years and control of the House can make. Watergate was a steady drip drip drip. After all, it was only a botched burglary. I think if we find out exactly HOW MUCH domestic spying has been going on and the groups being targeted, the fall will accelerate even more. I know in my gut that opposition groups are being spied on. I have heard too much anecdotal evidence from trust worthy folks.

[hwmnbn]

55. Yep, H.R. Haldemann and G. Gordon Libby .....

were two BAD mofos. Do you think KKKarl Rove could hang with them? I don't. These piglets are already starting to squeal, they couldn't handle hard time.

It will be fun laughing at them turning on each other. We'll find out who is more treacherous, the chimp or Cheney. :popcorn:

[Carni]

54. I hope you are right

The last 6 years have been a freaking nightmare.