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Mon Feb-02-04 09:29 PM
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Is anyone else suspicious of the sudden rise of John Kerry? |
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:31 PM
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He got there because people VOTED for him.
He's polling well because people are CHOOSING him.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:37 PM
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16. Some people here have a hard time accepting that |
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:31 PM
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1. Not really, hot air always rises |
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I'm kidding! :D
Go Kerry! Go Wes!
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:32 PM
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:32 PM
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Only surprise is it didn't happen sooner
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:32 PM
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Suspicious is putting it mildly.
But push polling, robo-calling, back-door dealing and establishment ties and connections can make miracles happen.
Step in line. Vote John Kerry.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:37 PM
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14. If Kerry were in fact guilty of all these things |
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and Dean couldn't overcome that, how could Dean possibly have a chance against a Rove machine that will be considerably dirtier? Think about that. BTW, I'm no more suspicious of Kerry's rise than I am of Dean's rise before that. People seem to have forgotten Kerry was the front-runner before Dean. Voters are giving him a second look.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:37 PM
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:32 PM
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:33 PM
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but maybe I would be if I knew why you are.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:34 PM
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he did nothing to get the rise. He has made no great speaches and accomplished nothing in the senate to warrent a rise.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:39 PM
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:34 PM
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8. Naw, cream always rises to the top. |
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But then again, so does pond scum.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:34 PM
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:35 PM
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10. Anyone suspicious of why the media muted him for most of last year |
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and declared his candidacy dead for months? All the while they kept propping up Dean and selling him as the face of the Democratic party and ignoring other candidates like Edwards and Kucinich.
Thankfully, the people who voted didn't buy the media spin, and I find THAT refreshing and hopeful.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:40 PM
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these threads are getting tiresome. Being the front-runner (Dean) before a single vote is actually cast means absolutely nothing.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:35 PM
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11. YES AND THANKS FOR BRING IT UP |
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BONESMAN AGAINST BONESMAN, POWER, GLOBAL TRADE, POLITICS AS USUAL. WE LOSE AGAIN. THE PEOPLE LOSE, CORPORATIONS WIN. NOTHING CHANGES.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:36 PM
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12. We Witch Doctors For Kerry aren't surprised at all |
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:36 PM
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13. Suspicious of what exactly? |
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:38 PM
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I have no doubt that the media could find a clip of Kerry doing or saying something a little unusual, hype it up as insane and unpresidential, show it a thousand times, and destroy his candidacy. They could do that to anyone but they chose to do it to Howard Dean.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:41 PM
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23. I got the impression that Dean after IA 'loss' took media by |
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surprise.
Of course, they spun it to fit the latest WH directive.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:42 PM
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24. Dean did more than make that one mistake |
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that came after he already lost Iowa.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:45 PM
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32. the media is pretty lazy |
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and they didn't have to dig anywhere for that clip, now did they?
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:40 PM
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:41 PM
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21. Surprised but not suspicious n/t |
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:41 PM
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22. It's Dem Primary Voters That Have Supported Kerry's Rise |
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:43 PM
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25. I'm not suspicious . .. |
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But I am worried about the repercussions that are gonna occur when people start to really focus on Kerry if he gets the nod.
I'm not saying he can't survive it, but I am worried about it. I say bring out all the trash now and see if he survives it - - and it looks like this is starting to happen.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:43 PM
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Iowa was an establishment coup.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:47 PM
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35. I think if it had truly been an establishment coup, Gep would have won. |
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It was supposed to be a done deal for him in Iowa.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:43 PM
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27. Can't you accept that he might have been smart enough to operate |
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under the radar. Cause that is what happened. It's called the rope-a-dope. Believe it.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:43 PM
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28. You consider 35 years of public life |
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:43 PM
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The Powers-That-Be set Dean up for an early fall. As soon as the knives were out for Dean, Kerry got "The Big Mo" as a matter of course -- Clark is still too much of an unknown, and Edwards still has a base of support restricted to the South.
Don't worry about a thing, Kerry will be laid low very shortly. The Press wants to send at least 2, and possibly all 4 of the front-runners to the Democratic Convention as damaged goods.
The Press wants the drama only lies can create. I think it's gonna get ugly. The idea may be to turn the voters off with a mudstorm, suppressing voting turnout and handing the election to Bush.
By the way, I like all the candidates -- all except Joe Lieberman, but I don't hate him, either.
--bkl
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:44 PM
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"sudden rise" ?????????????????????
Lol !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:45 PM
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33. Not suspicious exactly, but interested and curious |
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Kerry went into Iowa not a winner and came out of Iowa a winner. You could say that voters liked him and voted for him and this would be true, but only part of the truth. What the hell happened to Gephardt? Why did the working class vote split itself in three instead of two? Iowa changed everything for everybody - it is the pivotal event in this race. I was saying on an earlier thread I'd probably have to wait for the books to be written about this race before I understand how it all shook out in Iowa.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:46 PM
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34. no...if I was a betting man |
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my money would still be riding on him.His campaign has gotten it's shit together after the moves they made a month or so ago.
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Mon Feb-02-04 09:48 PM
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36. Looks to me like the media is deciding who the Democratic |
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nominee will be. They had a ton of lies about Dean. Now their mantra is "vote for someone who can beat Bush". If the Democrats were really an opposition party, the donkey could win this year without any TV ads.
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