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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:14 PM
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Compare today's WP lead article with today's WP editorial -- CRAZY!!!
Compare the WP’s lead article, “A ‘Concerted Effort’ to Discredit Bush Critic” with its editorial, “A Good Leak," both from today.

From the editorial:
Vice President Cheney initially chose to be secretive, ordering his chief of staff at the time, I. Lewis Libby, to leak the information to a favorite New York Times reporter.

From the article:
The first of those conversations, according to the evidence made known thus far, came when Libby met with Bob Woodward, an assistant managing editor of The Washington Post, on June 27, 2003.


From the editorial:
Mr. Wilson originally claimed in a 2003 New York Times op-ed and in conversations with numerous reporters that he had debunked a report that Iraq was seeking to purchase uranium from Niger and that Mr. Bush's subsequent inclusion of that allegation in his State of the Union address showed that he had deliberately "twisted" intelligence "to exaggerate the Iraq threat." The material that Mr. Bush ordered declassified established, as have several subsequent investigations, that Mr. Wilson was the one guilty of twisting the truth.

From the article:
One striking feature …is that the evidence Cheney and Libby selected to share with reporters had been disproved months before.
(snip)
But the White House Iraq Group, formed in August 2002 to foster "public education" about Iraq's "grave and gathering danger" to the United States, repeatedly pitched the uranium story.
(snip)
At Cheney's instruction, Libby testified, he told Miller that the uranium story was a "key judgment" of the intelligence estimate, a term of art indicating there was consensus on a question of central importance…In fact, the alleged effort to buy uranium was not among the estimate's key judgments…


From the editorial:
In fact, (Wilson’s) report supported the conclusion that Iraq had sought uranium.

From the article:
Cheney, in a conversation with Libby in early July 2003, was said to describe Wilson's CIA-sponsored trip to Niger the previous year -- in which the envoy found no support for charges that Iraq tried to buy uranium there -- as "a junket set up by Mr. Wilson's wife," CIA case officer Valerie Plame.


From the editorial:
Mr. Libby is charged with perjury, for having lied about his discussions with two reporters.

From the article:
Libby is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice for denying under oath that he disclosed Plame's CIA employment to journalists.


From the editorial:
Mr. Wilson subsequently claimed that the White House set out to punish him for his supposed whistle-blowing by deliberately blowing the cover of his wife, Valerie Plame, who he said was an undercover CIA operative. This prompted the investigation by Special Counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald. After more than 2 1/2 years of investigation, Mr. Fitzgerald has reported no evidence to support Mr. Wilson's charge.

From the article:
Fitzgerald said the grand jury has collected so much testimony and so many documents that "it is hard to conceive of what evidence there could be that would disprove the existence of White House efforts to 'punish' Wilson."


From the editorial:
As Mr. Fitzgerald pointed out at the time of Mr. Libby's indictment last fall, none of this is particularly relevant to the question of whether the grounds for war in Iraq were sound or bogus.

From the article:
Fitzgerald wrote that Cheney and his aides saw Wilson as a threat to "the credibility of the Vice President (and the President) on a matter of signal importance: the rationale for the war in Iraq." They decided to respond by implying that Wilson got his CIA assignment by "nepotism."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/08/AR2006040800895.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/08/AR2006040800916_2.html

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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:22 PM
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1. Have to try to head off the smearing of Fitzgerald. The facts against *
are hard to follow for many people and they take the path of least resistance if the media lets them. My mother was against Fitz, she watches a lot of TV, but after his excellent press conference was willing to listen to some facts about what bush boy has done to the American people.


The Media Awareness Project

A worldwide network dedicated to drug policy reform. We inform public opinion and promote balanced media coverage.

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There's actually a fairly useful thing that can be done by readers, simply through letters to the editor. Not astroturf. That must be emphasized. These must be individually written letters, preferably from citizens within the state.

I work in drug policy reform and there's a site that has done an amazing job in this way: MAPinc.org

They provide resources for letter writers, focus alerts, and articles to which letter writers can respond. They figure that they have, in column inch value, generated over $2 million per year worth of published letters.

Sure, letters to the editor in most newspapers include a whole lot of wackos, but they're still read, and can sometimes be used by politicians' staffs as one tool of measuring local reaction to events.

It's a war crime, that the Kerrys, Bidens, Bayhs etc "could do better" The world knows it, the Bushites know it, the only ones seeming not to know it are this ilk, but of course they know it and are complicitly silent.Didn't the UK sign the International Criminal Court treaty? Won't Blair have charges brought against him for War crimes?

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:47 PM
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2. We need to start deconstructing the major news stories, just as Sparkly
did above.

It's fairly easy to do for anyone who possesses critical thinking skills.

With the slightest effort, it's easy to find the slant and it is unfortunately rampant.

I like your idea about editorials and coupled with some critical thinking and deconstruction, we can make people aware that there is bias in the media as well as making the stories easier to follow.

It's a slow process, but the media is beginning to see that we are onto the bias. We can't stop now.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 05:13 AM
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54. I like to monitor the distance of reality to that of MSM fantasies
After having gathered enough information about what is really going on from a wide variety of sources and then comparing them to what has been reported you come to see how far things have gone. The MSM position has been moved from being a fulcrum to the one of the pile of shit being moved (to be analogous of the situation).
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:48 PM
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3. Astounding.
Damn librul media allowing facts to get in the way of truthiness.
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:51 PM
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4. great job doing this - so informative as to the methods the media
uses to manipulate the mind of the public - thankfully it's becoming so painfully transparent to so many more of us.

What a terrific example for a lesson plan..
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bluesbassman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:19 PM
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20. The media has got to go.
On any give day, you can read posts from folks talking about "this dem did this and needs to be put out of office", or "this dem did that and should not be in leadership", and those are valid issues that need to be addressed at the appropriate time. Now is not that time. Now is the time for all of us to focus our attention on the media issue. For as Sparkly so accurately illuminated here, there is an ongoing and calculated effort to confuse and misinform the American people. Granted, recent history has shown that the MSM has taken a lot af their marching orders from the White House and Rove, but in the end they are profit driven, and when they get the awareness that their fortunes are tied to a sinking ship they may just change course. What does that mean? Well it means that we need to spend our energy challenging these types of deliberate information obfuscation. Instead of ranting about how pissed we are that so and so voted for such and such and is not a "real progressive", we need to focus on throwing these types of issue manipulation back at the media sources who put it out. What good is preaching to the choir about how lame some Dem is when that's all we have right now? What good is to call for new leadership when the only way we'll be able to do that is by undoing the stranglehold that the GOP has on government right now. The only way we'll be able to undo that stranglehold is to make sure that the very real issues of criminal activity by the administration is accurately and continuously put out to average Americans.

Sorry if I stepped on any toes. Believe me, I'm not happy with a lot of what my Dems have been doing either. But again, they are all we have to work with right now and we can not afford to lose this time.
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 12:48 PM
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65. You absolutely correct, this is a wonderful example, and did you notice...
that the editorial is devoid of a specific author's name? Perhaps I'm just missing it.

This could be a prime case study for a media class or even a master's thesis in sociology.

I'd be surprised if anything came of this though. There are so many of these cases that are less apparent, but just as good.
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Bushies gotta go Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:54 PM
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5. Is it any wonder why the average Joe is confused and
can't follow along with the program?

It's called "make their head hurt" and the typical citizen gives up trying to pay attention.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #5
17. Welcome to DU
:hi:
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AverageJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:04 PM
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31. Hey, not all AverageJoes have a hard time seeing the truth!
Yours,
AverageJoe.

;-):-);-):-);-):-);-):-);-):-);-):-);-):-);-):-);-):-)

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Bushies gotta go Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:44 PM
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50. LOL, okay, there are exceptions to every rule. n/t
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:00 PM
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6. Excellent work, Sparkly

Kind of makes you feel like Alice in Wonderland slipping down the rabbit hole. If it weren't so slimey it would be
funny. Outrageous, unbelievable, disgusting.
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singe Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:44 PM
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14. perot redux
this reminds me for some strange reason ( those neural connections are totally on their own at this point ) of when perot brought his wife up on stage and sang....crazy for trying, crazy for crying and ( i add ) crazy for reading you....i do find the wp to have great cutting analysis of some things like this from today's paper: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/08/AR2006040800916.html

mixed in with far right editorials and so on....i guess they are a big tent paper, and you can make one of those tent like hats with it when you are done reading it! and i am still in their debt for watergate, will they win my heart again as i enter the beautiful, miracle of the unflowering of the maturation process?....you know toe fungi and stuff....
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Welcome to DU
:hi:
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singe Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. thank you
i bounce between here, atrios, dnc, and kos. i like this place for all the detailed info and analysis of it you folks put together. and there is always such a nice welcome. you are all a great reflection of your parents....
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #14
38. LOL..."maturation process?....you know toe fungi and stuff...."
:D
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:27 PM
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37. Thanks -- but it was all too easy!
There are probably even more contrasts, inconsistencies, and indications of bias in the editorial -- but I was posting quickly and just took a few glaring ones. Take a look! :hi:
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darkmaestro019 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:01 PM
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7. Striking. Rrrrrrriiiiight.....
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 02:04 PM by darkmaestro019
"One striking feature …is that the evidence Cheney and Libby selected to share with reporters had been disproved months before."

Striking. That's one way to describe it. Probably not the first way that comes to mind. You know.

LYING.

LYING LYING LYING.

How hard is it, you guys? Saying things that you KNOW ARE NOT TRUE is called LYING.

Put your tongue against your teeth like you do for "la la la" when you cover your ears and yell to drown out the increasingly loud murmurs of discontent and disillusionment. The rest of the word just rolls right out. It isn't hard. You'll find all the characters used to spell the word LYING are readily available on the keyboard, if you're more text than verbal.

Gimme an L! Gimme a Y! Gimme an I! Gimme an N! Gimme a G!

What does that spell?

Hint: NOT "striking"

EDIT: Is "lying" starting to look like a nonsense word to you, yet? Maybe that's how the Bush Admin sees it--or would, if it was thrown at them every time they engaged in it.

:argh:
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:06 PM
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8. They apparently do not read THEIR OWN FRONTPAGE!!! nt
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:06 PM
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9. Media Schizophrenia? Political Psychosis? Left brain/Right brain -ectomy?
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:07 PM
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10. 'Fair and Balanced' now means
including the truth and the lies.

At least we are in slightly better shape than the German and Russian propaganda machines on old -- they completely excluded the truth?

:shrug:
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:11 PM
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11. This is not that unusual, that an Editorial says the opposite of the...
...same papers story. What bothers me more is that the Washington Post has this, and several other Editorials without a "By Line." WHO wrote this? Was it "Fox 'news' commentator" Charles Krauthammer?

I'll admit that I don't know who is officially the Washington Post Editor, but I bet I'm not the only one. I would be willing to bet 90% of all "news consumers" don't know either.:mad:
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phoebe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:42 PM
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13. Leonard Downie Jr. and James M. Brady is editor of the online WP
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 02:42 PM by phoebe
n/t
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. Did the White House write the editorial?
Who wrote the editorial? That is a question that must be answered.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 12:22 PM
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63. hahahaha, LOL
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #11
66. Probably someone in the administration. Wasn't there a story last
week about the WH providing editorials to US papers?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:26 PM
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12. ".. by 2005 ... The Washington Post Company was now making more than half
its revenue outside journalism ..."

http://www.stateofthenewsmedia.org/2006/narrative_overview_ownership.asp?cat=6&media=1


I'd guess the WP editors have been instructed not to p!ss off the Administration, lest the Administration retaliate against the company's other corporate interests ...
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:44 PM
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51. WaPo and the WH
Absolutely right. Wash Post now owns the educational college prep chain, Stanley H. Kaplan, for one, is heavily financed by its connection to the Bush WH.
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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:57 PM
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15. Have you submitted this to the WaPo omsbudsman?
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 03:09 PM by Jai4WKC08
Considering the editorial was published without a by-line, it represents the "official" opinion of the editorial board (as opposed to one of their right-wing hacks for hire).

I think it would be reasonable to DEMAND an explanation (however coyly) of whether they're publishing untruths on their editorial page, or if their front page stories can't be trusted.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:05 PM
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23. I should do that.
Not that I trust her at all to do anything about it!

Have they totally shut down those readers' forums? I can't find the link...

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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:23 PM
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24. If you don't get a satisfactory reply
Send it to the NY Times. And tell the WaPo gal you plan to.

It's a gal now? I wrote the omsbudsman back during the '04 campaign and he actually did something about my complaint (it was about an out of context quote from the foreign desk, if I recall). But if they've got someone new, no telling how she'll react.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:33 PM
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26. I just sent it, within a letter.
It's Deborah Howell. She's the one who TWICE misstated the facts about Abramoff (saying Democrats took "Abramoff money" by taking contributions from tribes he represented), causing the website manager to shut off the feedback forum.

(It was claimed that the posts were "obscene" etc., but Skinner had saved the page and they were 99.9% just frustrated factual corrections.)

She was less than receptive to legitimate criticism, shall we say!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #26
32. Looks like Lil' Debbie's work, all right
Heavy on the Bushco appeasing and short on the facts.

Again.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:24 PM
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36. Or Woodward's.
I don't think Debbie writes the editorials -- she's just a sycophant, I believe.

But the editorial is just a reiteration of the same old misleading spin the Republicans came out with YEARS ago, when the Plame leak first occurred.

Woodward's immediate over-the-top smears of Wilson -- along these very same lines -- seemed weird at the time. It came out later that he, too, was uh, "briefed" by Libby. Wonder why he was so defensive??

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he had a hand in this editorial. But there are many like him at the WP, so who knows.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 08:37 PM
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45. Never thought of that
That's right, he is the asssistant managing editor, with, of course, some WH connections.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 09:30 PM
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47. And he's been covering his own ass.
Quote from Woodward on the matter, before it was known that he was involved:

Now, there are a couple of things that I think are true. First of all, this began, not as somebody launching a smear campaign, that it actually -- when the story comes out, I'm quite confident we're going to find out that it started kind of as gossip, as chatter, and that somebody learned that Joe Wilson's wife had worked at the CIA and helped him get this job going to Niger to see if there was an Iraq- Niger uranium deal.

And there's a lot of innocent actions in all of this. But what has happened, this prosecutor, I mean, I used to call Mike Isikoff, when he worked at "The Washington Post," the junkyard dog. Well, this is a junkyard dog prosecutor, and he goes everywhere and asks every question and turns over rocks and rocks under rocks and so forth, and it doesn't leak.

And I think it's quite possible that, though probably unlikely, that he will say, "You know, there was no malice or criminal intent at the start of this."

Some people kind of had convenient memories before the grand jury. Technically they might be able to be charged with perjury, but I don't see an underlying crime here. And the absence of the underlying crime may cause somebody who's a really thoughtful prosecutor to say, "You know, maybe this is not one to go to the court with."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0511/16/lol.02.html

And here's a transcript of him trying to explain himself later:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0511/21/lkl.01.html

He says he was busy gathering info for his book, it's an "ongoing story" so who knows, it's "disgraceful" that there's an investigation where journalists are being subpoenaed and jailed (not because of the coverup, of course, but because of the junkyard dog prosecutor, Fitzgerald!) and other things like:

WOODWARD: But the issue was there some sort of conspiracy or organized effort or effort by one person to out, to disclose publicly that Joe Wilson's wife was an undercover operative I haven't yet seen evidence of that. Now, in this case we all get surprised me at the top of the list.

KING: Doesn't it appear a little that way though when your other source won't let it be public who he or she is? That sounds conspiratorial.

WOODWARD: It may be but I pressed that source as much as you can and I'm not going to -- if you remember back into Watergate and Mark Felt, the number two in the FBI who was the source "Deep Throat" we kept that secret for 33 years because the source insisted upon it.

And what does that mean just in the practical world? That I can go around and get information from people and they know they're going to be protected. I'm not going to go out and risk that and do something.

You know I am protecting not a person but a relationship and the information I get for my newspaper and books and that's the vital lifeline. Now, if we want to come up with a system that prevents people from providing that information, you know, what are we going to do? I mean take the yard off junkyard, it will be junk because our portrait of government will be false.


Oh, the IRONY!!!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:20 PM
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49. Ah, yes, the valiant reporter "protecting his sources"
Here he is protecting Novak:

Woodward also defended syndicated columnist Robert D. Novak, who originally made Plame's identity public in a July 14, 2003, column but has since refused to identify his source. Woodward was quoted in a December 1, 2004, Editor & Publisher article saying that "Bob Novak has taken a stand that is supported by many in the press," adding, "He is protecting his sources. He has done nothing that is illegal or improper."


http://mediamatters.org/items/200511160013
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 08:39 AM
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57. That is a very good point. n/t
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:20 PM
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21. My head is spinning to trying to figure-out what they are saying
I'm gonna go lay down for a minute, getting dizzy trying to sort through it all. Could all this be diagrammed somehow, to make it more clear about who, when and what.

Or maybe the WP is trying to throw sand in reader's eyes.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 05:43 PM
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22. Best to just ignore the Post- they have zero credibility
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 05:44 PM by depakid
on this issue.

They're up to their eyeballs in culpability here.

Then again- ridicule might be a better response.



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Jai4WKC08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:25 PM
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25. You're kidding, right?
The Washington Post is one of the most highly respected newspapers in the country.

You and I and almost any liberal/progressive/lefty who pays attention knows they are corporate media whores, but the VAST majority of Democratic voters have no idea.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:36 PM
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27. The Post respected?
I've got to assume that was sarcasm.

The Post quite literally gets laughed at in graduate schools all around the country. Friends and family members of mine (not all progressives) in Maryland and Northern Virginia roll their eyes at what they print these days.

On any given day, you can pick up that paper and read outright false statements of fact- often "supported" by anonymous sources.

And on this issue- they've already lied extensively. Their editors, reporters, and commentators are up to their eyeballs in "Plamegate" as Republican enablers.

Bob Woodward's become a laughingstock- an object of ridicule (and rightly so). Their so called "ombudsman" is likewise a joke.

Katherine Graham must be rolling over in her grave to see what's happened to that paper.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:56 PM
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28. The number of people in graduate schools.....
is a small percentage of all those who read The Washington Post. A majority remember it as the Newspaper that brought Nixon down, therefore trust it to be fair and impartial. WE know it's a mere shadow of it's former self but to a majority of readers it's close to being the Newspaper of record in America. I would not dismiss the importance of The Washington Post.
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Nomen Tuum Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:01 PM
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29. The Whoreshington Post is a joke
Anything printed in the Whoreshington Post is a lie. Period.

It's nothing but a propaganda rag in the same mold as Pravda!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:15 PM
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33. In my experience, a good many of its readers also see
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 07:16 PM by depakid
its decline from respectability.

When they read stories full of obviously false statements and slanted copy- even in science articles, they realize that they paper might as well be a tabloid. As the above poster noted, its become so transparent that Pravda on the Potomac is probably an apt description.

I don't see it recovering its credibility any time soon- and what's worse is that the NY Times seems to be engaged in a "race to the bottom" right alongside it.

Fortunately for the Times, the Post has been taking great pains to maintain its lead, including cutting experienced staff and closing bureau's.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/search/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002156837

The Post may have one day been a "flagship" paper- but it gave up that role long ago.
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:03 PM
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30. Editorial author does not give name. Hmmm.
No surprise there, though I do notice the nice goofy photo of Krauthammer in the margin.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:39 PM
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41. The paper's own editorials never do.
They supposedly represent the view of the paper's editorial heads somehow.

Btw, I cancelled my subscription to the WP years ago over another editorial -- the first I'd seen that went so far over the top, it left no doubt there was no responsible, objective editorial view left there. It was way back when rumors started circulating that President Clinton was going to host a "TV game show," soon after he left office. (Does anyone else remember that? It was ridiculous.)

The WP ran the snarkiest, most insulting editorial I'd ever seen, not even trying to disguise their hatred of him -- ridiculing him by musing on possibilities for this supposed "game show." They threw in absurd accusations, smears, and even the Lewinsky affair in a tone they probably considered witty -- but it was irresponsible, bitter, and completely out of line in an editorial about a living former president. Just disgusting.

I still miss their crossword puzzles, but nothing else.
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Kickin_Donkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 04:01 AM
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53. Not that I ever subscribed the Post ...
but I knew they'd really flown the coop, when, during the summer heatwave that hit Europe a couple of years ago, many aged and indigent people in France were dying like flies. France being the right-winger's bete noire, so to speak, a Post editorial was mocking and figuratively laughing at the old people dying in France due to the heat.

That editorial was so far beyond the bounds of decency, as well as professionalism, it seemed to be a parody of some drunken frathouse, yahoo rant put together by smarmy sixth-graders who were doing it for shock value and would never see the light of day. Unfortunately, it wasn't. It was on the editorial page of the Post.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:19 PM
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34. Great job, Sparkly, thanks.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:23 PM
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35. send this to mediamatters.org
Or have someone cross post it over to dailykos.com. This is terrific stuff and needs wide exposure.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:29 PM
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40. I will do that.
No doubt they're already way ahead -- they do great work.

I don't post at Kos so if anybody wants to link or cross-post, that'd be great! :hi:
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 12:23 PM
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64. thanks---would be great to know who wrote the editorial-probably KKKarl
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:28 PM
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39. Well, I guess I won't have to buy Charmin or Northern anymore...just WaPo!
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:59 PM
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42. They're melting, they're melting...
:) :) :) :-) :-) x( :-( :( ;-) ;) :o }( ;( :P :9 :* :P :9 :* :+ :7 B-) O8) :evilfrown: :evilgrin: :hippie: :party: :toast: :bounce: :mad: :puke: :eyes: :smoke: :think: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :argh: :argh: :freak: :dunce: :hangover: :nopity: :hurts: :boring: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :beer: :grr: :nuke: :scared: :thumbsup: :hi: :dem: :kick: :shrug: :puffpiece: :loveya: :donut: :tinfoilhat: :hug: :grouphug: :cry: :pals: :headbang: :yourock: :banghead: :dilemma: :rant: :sarcasm: :woohoo: :hide: :popcorn: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :spray: :spray: :spray: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :yoiks: :yoiks: :redbox: :daily: :tv: :radio: :web:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 08:07 PM
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43. they never say they are sorry
they never admit they did something wrong...journalism at it`s finest
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Chalco Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 08:15 PM
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44. Send it to Deborah whatever, the ombuds.
I bet she gets lots of email this week!!!!!!!!!!!


:spank:
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 09:23 PM
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46. My guess is this is Fred Hyatt's editorial
He should put down the Moonie Times long enough to read th front page of the paper he works for.

BTW, great analysis, Sparkly! Thanks
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 09:35 PM
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48. WOW - A condensed version would make a great LTTE.
Of course, I doubt they would print it.

Great job BTW.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 11:48 PM
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52. Thank you, Sparkly. Great summary.
K & R!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 06:30 AM
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55. Great catch Sparkly and presented so clearly! Also send it to FAIR
Edited on Mon Apr-10-06 06:32 AM by mom cat
so they can get it on Counterspin. Actually, send it out to all the media links at DU. I bet Common Dreams would get it out, and Raw Story , ... just send it everywhere. It is very good!
:dem::toast::bounce::bounce::smoke::smoke::yourock::smoke::smoke::bounce::bounce::toast::kick:
Maybe the political situation is so fluid that they are just trying to cover all their bases.
May I send it out to my circle?
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 07:00 AM
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56. Don't take a "Good Leak" down my back...
...and try to tell me it's raining.

(cross-post with the WashedupPost blog)

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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 09:13 AM
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58. My LTTE on point:
Dears Sirs:

I'm curious: at what point in the editorial decision-making process do you decide to dispense with the facts and just go with your prefab conclusions that irrationally support the Bush administration in its criminal disregard of the people of the US and the law? The above two pieces, published on the same day in your formerly esteemed newspaper, highlight this phenomenon of the disconnect between reporting and opinion.

The former, on the "concerted effort" to discredit Joseph Wilson -- who presumed to dispute Bush/Cheney's specious Niger "evidence" -- appears to be a solid piece of reporting on the background of "Scooter" Libby's current legal imbroglio. The latter, apparently penned by someone not in the "reality-based" community of which a Bush administration official is known to have spoken of disparagingly, demonstrates no knowledge of factual journalism done on the story.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion; they're not entitled to their own facts.

Sincerely,

Ron Barth, Jr.
Chicago, IL
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 09:18 AM
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59. Over at Daily Kos: Wilson's Response
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/4/9/114828/4742

Today on Daily Kos, the above link includes a response by Wilson to the Post editorial, along with plenty of additional commentary on this topic.

I am very very curious to see the Post's ombudsman's response.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 09:26 AM
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60. Contacts for Complaints to the Post
email:

opinions@washingtonpost.com


link to email form to complain to the Post's ombudsman:

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/email/deborah+howell/
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concerned citizen23 Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 10:28 AM
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61. Great job on this Sparkly...
Thanks for the time and effort on pointing this out...I hope it is ok, I copied this to the WP and inserted a few comments of my own.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 11:48 AM
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62. This is Getting Lots of Attention on the Post's Blog
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